(10-28-2013 12:23 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  All I know is we got a 4 star player commited right now and haven't had one since the 90's. If you believe that you should look at teams like SMU and UCF's recruiting. Guys like Stith and Guilmette had already saw us as a legit option over you just by becoming compeditve even before, and we never used to beat you on players.

It's apples and oranges anyway. When your football starts getting simliar rankings like our hoops both have or can draw with in 85% of ours then it would be apples to apples. I'd also be fine with ending the hoops series now like your guy brought up for the reasons I mentioned and it has been done before already with a rival.

Exactly! Why should ECU have another DI loss every year that counts against RPI when they can have DII losses instead that don't count?

Lebo smart!!!!
CBI good!!!!

We didn't play but 1 D2 from about 1985 to 2002 and after we got into CUSA. It was more a change of philosophy around here to play D2's of which I doubt our new associates let us get away with like CUSA has. Even the CAA had higher standards about playing D2's until lately.

(10-28-2013 12:31 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 12:23 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  All I know is we got a 4 star player commited right now and haven't had one since the 90's. If you believe that you should look at teams like SMU and UCF's recruiting. Guys like Stith and Guilmette had already saw us as a legit option over you just by becoming compeditve even before, and we never used to beat you on players.

It's apples and oranges anyway. When your football starts getting simliar rankings like our hoops both have or can draw with in 85% of ours then it would be apples to apples. I'd also be fine with ending the hoops series now like your guy brought up for the reasons I mentioned and it has been done before already with a rival.

Exactly! Why should ECU have another DI loss every year that counts against RPI when they can have DII losses instead that don't count?

Lebo smart!!!!
CBI good!!!!

CIT.

LoL I'm staying out of this.

Regardless, you lost to UNCP a few weeks ago in football badly I think. I really don't think you need to be playing an ECU team with Senior Carden and Hardy less than a year later. You want to inject basketball threats into it's really apples to oranges at where our basketball is currently in relation to yours and to your football is. We have no business playing until that gap has significantly closed and it's likely years if it does ever. I've said why I think we should never play but that's even separate from this fact.

ECU should never play UNC-C. Big step down in competition. We already have an in-state OOC game against a scrub (UNC)....why muck it up with another in-state scrub? How about some stiff competition like Liberty or Furman?

(10-28-2013 01:03 PM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  ECU should never play UNC-C. Big step down in competition. We already have an in-state OOC game against a scrub (UNC)....why muck it up with another in-state scrub? How about some stiff competition like Liberty or Furman?

(10-28-2013 01:03 PM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  ECU should never play UNC-C. Big step down in competition. We already have an in-state OOC game against a scrub (UNC)....why muck it up with another in-state scrub? How about some stiff competition like Liberty or Furman?

Glad we are all on the same page. The feelings are reciprocal just in different sports.

(10-28-2013 01:06 PM)wh49er Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 01:03 PM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  ECU should never play UNC-C. Big step down in competition. We already have an in-state OOC game against a scrub (UNC)....why muck it up with another in-state scrub? How about some stiff competition like Liberty or Furman?

Glad we are all on the same page. The feelings are reciprocal just in different sports.

We're catching up in basketball.

You're catching up in football.

/thread?

(10-28-2013 01:07 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  We're catching up in basketball.

You're catching up in football.

/thread?

Agreed.

We've already caught up. Unlike football at worst in hoops you could say say is that we are at least in the in the ball park on just about ever tangible thing: comparable facilites and capacity, comparable support, and we even spend more on hoops now as well as have ranked higher than UNCC the last 3 year since Lebo has got here. With all that we had already become a legit option and beat them on some key recruits even before realignment.

Football really isn't even comparable and has light years to go until it is. When they get a 40k seat stadium and draw 30 something thousand, spend more than us and rank higher over a 3 year period in the big boy sport it's hardest to compete in then you could say that. Otherwise it's apples and oranges.

(10-28-2013 02:23 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  We've already caught up.

The funny thing is you will still be telling yourself that when we beat your a$$ in February and ECU finishes 10th or 11th in the conference.

I don't know much about the current Charlotte coach, but my first person memory of the 49ers was, really, as the second best program in C-USA v1 only behind Cincinnati. I think the rivalry that developed (a mild surprise to me due to limited history -- Cincy came from the Great Midwest while Charlotte from the Metro) strengthened the 49ers too. And I thought Bobby Lutz was probably the 2nd best coach in the league for most of the time behind only Bob Huggins.

It remains a complete mystery what happened with Lutz and the direction of the program in the A-10. The A-10 was a better hoops league than C-USA v2 and had prime seasons like St. Joe's year (2004?, can't remember) in the Elite Eight when they were the #1 seed in the East. Though I think C-USA v3 will be more competitive then C-USA v2, it is a lot different than the version that the 49ers left when they were recruiting top ten guys like Martin Iti. Even in the A-10, Michael Beasley was a 49er commit before Huggy hired his coach. But ... I don't know that this version of C-USA will allow that type of recruiting?

Anyway, I would not be dismissive at all of ECU's hoops future. Besides 49ers' fans who have made the trip across the state to Greenville, I don't know that a lot of non-ECU fans have been to a game at Minges Coliseum. With Minges' lower bowl setup for the students, only The Shoe in Cincy has been in the same league of intimidation that I have witnessed in person.

As I have said, I do think that the new C-USA will get one or two at-large bids each season ... just don't know about the ability to attract the high flight players like Shawn Coulston (a great PG), Jobie Thomas, Diego Guevara, or Demarko Johnson (and other great ones). Man, just writing those names makes me miss the original C-USA.

(10-28-2013 02:23 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  We've already caught up. Unlike football at worst in hoops you could say say is that we are at least in the in the ball park on just about ever tangible thing: comparable facilites and capacity, comparable support, and we even spend more on hoops now as well as have ranked higher than UNCC the last 3 year since Lebo has got here. With all that we had already become a legit option and beat them on some key recruits even before realignment.

Football really isn't even comparable and has light years to go until it is. When they get a 40k seat stadium and draw 30 something thousand, spend more than us and rank higher over a 3 year period in the big boy sport it's hardest to compete in then you could say that. Otherwise it's apples and oranges.

stop playing the games on paper and beat someone. Stop losing games in your conference tourney and beat someone. stop playing d-2 teams and beat someone. stop losing to campbell and beat someone.

(10-28-2013 10:41 AM)wh49er Wrote:  Once we expand our stadium, we should offer up a home and home. If ECU says no, then cancel the basketball series with them.

(10-28-2013 12:22 PM)wh49er Wrote:  I wish ECU would cancel the series, it would open them up to playing more of their rivals Campbell, Chowan, Lenior-Rhyne.....

(10-28-2013 01:06 PM)wh49er Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 01:03 PM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  ECU should never play UNC-C. Big step down in competition. We already have an in-state OOC game against a scrub (UNC)....why muck it up with another in-state scrub? How about some stiff competition like Liberty or Furman?

Glad we are all on the same page. The feelings are reciprocal just in different sports.

Forget what you posted? You want to bash SJ when he suggests that ECU stops play Charlotte in basketball (rightly or wrongly suggests it). But, you are the one that first suggested anything dealing with basketball. Your the one that said Charlotte should use it as leverage to get a home and home in football. Yet you want to laugh at someone for saying that ECU shouldn't play you period.

Like two basketball games could used to leverage us in football.

(10-28-2013 04:39 PM)Tintin Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 02:23 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  We've already caught up. Unlike football at worst in hoops you could say say is that we are at least in the in the ball park on just about ever tangible thing: comparable facilites and capacity, comparable support, and we even spend more on hoops now as well as have ranked higher than UNCC the last 3 year since Lebo has got here. With all that we had already become a legit option and beat them on some key recruits even before realignment.

Football really isn't even comparable and has light years to go until it is. When they get a 40k seat stadium and draw 30 something thousand, spend more than us and rank higher over a 3 year period in the big boy sport it's hardest to compete in then you could say that. Otherwise it's apples and oranges.

stop playing the games on paper and beat someone. Stop losing games in your conference tourney and beat someone. stop playing d-2 teams and beat someone. stop losing to campbell and beat someone.

Stop worrying about ECU, we will be fine. BTW, Our Conference tourney record the past 3 years is 4-3.

(10-28-2013 04:55 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Stop worrying about ECU, we will be fine. BTW, Our Conference tourney record the past 3 years is 4-3.

One of those was an upset of the #1 seed UAB too. We have beat 11 top 100 teams under Lebo including NCAA teams like Memphis. We've ranked higher than UNCC every year since Lebo has got here in Sagarin, Pomroy, and the end of season RPI and our average RPI for those 3 years combined RPI is 30 to 40 spots higher any way you want to calculate it. We've beat them on key recruits too and certainly trend to get better as the season goes and finish the last month stronger than they do as they flame out and fade.

The only approach thing or facilites they can still talk crap to us about is D2's and I can't imagine that we get away with that like we did in CUSA. We didn't even play D2's in the CAA so it obviously can be eliminated here. That only started at the level we abuse it as in CUSA 2.0, so I fully expect that to change when we leave if not by our choice by schools with pull like UConn calling the conference office and making it.

If UNCC had 18k n the arena and were recruiting and winning like Memphis and that kind of program maybe they would have a point, but their basketball looks a heck of a lot more comparable to ours in just about everything you can point to today than their football will likely for decades, if they ever come close on support, resources, or facilites. That's a fair point if you are trying to draw comparisons.

Also the whole thought of using a basketball OOC game to leverage a football OOC game value is laughable when you only have 4 football games you control and 13+ OOC in basketball and the type of money difference you are talking. You would need some NC Senators behind you are another AD like Holland open to the idea if you want it to happen.

(10-28-2013 05:15 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  The only approach thing or facilites they can still talk crap to us about is D2's and I can't imagine that we get away with that like we did in CUSA. We didn't even play D2's in the CAA so it obviously can be eliminated here. That only started at the level we abuse it as in CUSA 2.0, so I fully expect that to change when we leave if not by our choice by schools with pull like UConn calling the conference office and making it.

In addition to local Davidson, I'd think that the 49ers will have plenty of A-10 foes wanting to play and thus not a real problem in scheduling.

Next year, I honestly would not be surprised to see the Pirates land a several schools such as VCU home/home on the non-conference schedule. VCU is a Top 25 program right now but difficulty in finding foes willing to play them in the Siegel Center. It would be an easy trip for both. Since the Pirates would expect at least a Top 90 RPI ... VCU would probably welcome it. Plus the prior history together in the CAA can't hurt.

Same with Davidson, George Mason and perhaps some other A-10 schools. That would be more than adequate. Duke's football, though improved greatly, could still use the money from 15,000 plus folks who would drive from Greenville to Durham to attend (or just local ECU fans in RDU). Perhaps fantasy, but bridge a 2-for-1 with Blue Devils' hoops or perhaps all the same with Wake Forest. I've still kind of wondered why Holland did not pull hoops games when the long contracts with West Virginia and Virginia Tech were agreed upon.

With all of the ECU alumni here (SE Virginia), I'd think that the ODU series in hoops would be retained. Couple that with UNCW (if you want to, that is), and there's a good schedule.

(10-28-2013 05:15 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 04:55 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Stop worrying about ECU, we will be fine. BTW, Our Conference tourney record the past 3 years is 4-3.

One of those was an upset of the #1 seed UAB too. We have beat 11 top 100 teams under Lebo including NCAA teams like Memphis. We've ranked higher than UNCC every year since Lebo has got here in Sagarin, Pomroy, and the end of season RPI and our average RPI for those 3 years combined RPI is 30 to 40 spots higher any way you want to calculate it. We've beat them on key recruits too and certainly trend to get better as the season goes and finish the last month stronger than they do as they flame out and fade.

The only approach thing or facilites they can still talk crap to us about is D2's and I can't imagine that we get away with that like we did in CUSA. We didn't even play D2's in the CAA so it obviously can be eliminated here. That only started at the level we abuse it as in CUSA 2.0, so I fully expect that to change when we leave if not by our choice by schools with pull like UConn calling the conference office and making it.

If UNCC had 18k n the arena and were recruiting and winning like Memphis and that kind of program maybe they would have a point, but their basketball looks a heck of a lot more comparable to ours in just about everything you can point to today than their football will likely for decades, if they ever come close on support, resources, or facilites. That's a fair point if you are trying to draw comparisons.

There can be but one response to this manure:

(10-28-2013 05:15 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-28-2013 04:55 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Stop worrying about ECU, we will be fine. BTW, Our Conference tourney record the past 3 years is 4-3.

One of those was an upset of the #1 seed UAB too. We have beat 11 top 100 teams under Lebo including NCAA teams like Memphis. We've ranked higher than UNCC every year since Lebo has got here in Sagarin, Pomroy, and the end of season RPI and our average RPI for those 3 years combined RPI is 30 to 40 spots higher any way you want to calculate it. We've beat them on key recruits too and certainly trend to get better as the season goes and finish the last month stronger than they do as they flame out and fade.

The only approach thing or facilites they can still talk crap to us about is D2's and I can't imagine that we get away with that like we did in CUSA. We didn't even play D2's in the CAA so it obviously can be eliminated here. That only started at the level we abuse it as in CUSA 2.0, so I fully expect that to change when we leave if not by our choice by schools with pull like UConn calling the conference office and making it.

If UNCC had 18k n the arena and were recruiting and winning like Memphis and that kind of program maybe they would have a point, but their basketball looks a heck of a lot more comparable to ours in just about everything you can point to today than their football will likely for decades, if they ever come close on support, resources, or facilites. That's a fair point if you are trying to draw comparisons.

Charlotte won 7 games against top 100 teams last season, including a top 25 and top 50 win. how many did ECU win.
Charlotte had 3 wins against schools that danced ( two of them on the road) including 2 that made the 32 and one that made the 16. how many NCAA teams did ECU beat.
Charlotte won the Great Alaska Shootout by winning three games in three days. the field included a NCAA team and 2 NIT teams.
Charlotte beat 4 teams that made the NIT. How many teams that played in the NIT did ECU beat? *disclaimer, this Charlotte fan is not that impressed with the NIT, but schools are given at large bids and don't have to pay to play.
Charlotte won 8 games in conference play. The a10 sent five teams to the dance. ECU won 9 games in CUSA. how many teams did it send to the dance.
Charlotte won a game in its conference tourney. how many did ECU win in the CUSA tourney?
Charlotte beat 21 schools that were eligible to play in the NCAA tournament when charlotte beat them. how many did ECU beat?
Charlotte beat the crap out of ECU in head to head competition. it was not a close game and your players were outclassed and out played by a superior opponent in Charlotte. How many points did ECU beat Charlotte by last year?

Last year was considered a down year for Charlotte basketball, but we were head and shoulders better than ECU. Keep thinking that you've come even close to passing Charlotte as a program.
Check and mate.