(07-28-2014 02:38 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Do you guys know that music? I think you're a bit off. I could take or leave the Billy Joel, but the rest is exciting, in-your-face music.

Serious question; what would you have the MRD's play? Rap music? Strictly classic rock? They really do mix in tons of popular music with arrangements of big loud symphonic stuff. I think some people here are under the impression that the staff is intentionally putting "boring" music out there due to some nonexistent battle between music & football.

It is funny that the "rock" piece is the tamest of the 4...

(07-27-2014 07:49 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 06:58 PM)FBM2014 Wrote:  Sorry. Thats just silly. Unless his superior knew what was going on - which that I doubt. But sure if the boss of the band director knew then by all means fire him or her too, Longhorn.

Again, I don't know the guy or the circumstances first-hand at all. In a group that size, with that much tradition, I feel confident some of these traditions were fairly well-known & the same "they should have been aware" expectation should apply all the way up the ladder.

Some of the reported allegations are pretty innocuous like sexually-charged nicknames that seemed to only offend students not involved in the nickname. College kids do this. Everywhere.

The rest adds up to something bad for sure & I'm certain that OSU is well within their rights to fire the guy. Just don't think it goes toward solving the issues here & that's why I use the term scapegoat.

Sure, you can call it scapegoating. You can also call it waking up and finally doing something about it. If you want to change the culture, you start somewhere. This guy had been around that program for a long, long time and clearly condoned it. So, he is the director and that is where they decided to start. The next director will clearly understand what can and cannot be allowed and they progress from there. The ax is always going to fall on someone when you make a change to a culture like that.

(07-29-2014 03:24 PM)mistrhanky Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 07:49 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 06:58 PM)FBM2014 Wrote:  Sorry. Thats just silly. Unless his superior knew what was going on - which that I doubt. But sure if the boss of the band director knew then by all means fire him or her too, Longhorn.

Again, I don't know the guy or the circumstances first-hand at all. In a group that size, with that much tradition, I feel confident some of these traditions were fairly well-known & the same "they should have been aware" expectation should apply all the way up the ladder.

Some of the reported allegations are pretty innocuous like sexually-charged nicknames that seemed to only offend students not involved in the nickname. College kids do this. Everywhere.

The rest adds up to something bad for sure & I'm certain that OSU is well within their rights to fire the guy. Just don't think it goes toward solving the issues here & that's why I use the term scapegoat.

Sure, you can call it scapegoating. You can also call it waking up and finally doing something about it. If you want to change the culture, you start somewhere. This guy had been around that program for a long, long time and clearly condoned it. So, he is the director and that is where they decided to start. The next director will clearly understand what can and cannot be allowed and they progress from there. The ax is always going to fall on someone when you make a change to a culture like that.

People get caught up with not wanting to disclose improper behavior to the one in which they answer. When in all reality, if you suspect something to be of bad judgment, consulting your supervisor immediately is a good practice.

Make them aware of what might be taking place and let them help figure a way to put a stop to it or ask for suggestions on the best method to uncover your suspicions.

You almost always will be relieved of responsibility as long as you don't act is if there is something you are hiding. Also, take notes of your conversations and document, document, document. This cat knew what was going on.

What I think got him fired is stating that he never used swear words directed at a student and then it proven that he did use pointed harsh language.

Its not that he used such language, its that he said he didn't. The man is a liar. Some people would rather climb a pole and tell a lie rather than stand on the ground and tell the truth.

(07-29-2014 04:48 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  What I think got him fired is stating that he never used swear words directed at a student and then it proven that he did use pointed harsh language.

Agree. He was trying to cover his ass & they caught him being dishonest. I think that would definitely be the tipping point for me if I'm his superior.

(07-29-2014 03:24 PM)mistrhanky Wrote:  This guy had been around that program for a long, long time and clearly condoned it.

Disagree on this point. If you read the full report OSU put out, it's apparent that he was making efforts to end multiple questionable traditions. He didn't move quickly or decisively enough, but to say he condoned it doesn't seem accurate. Every OSU marching band member & director, past & present, is just as responsible for the issues 100% if we're using his student past at OSU against him.

All that said, I hope folks on here can realize and appreciate the difference between my thoughts on the minutiae and condoning some of the gross student behavior as OK.

(07-29-2014 07:35 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 03:24 PM)mistrhanky Wrote:  This guy had been around that program for a long, long time and clearly condoned it.

Disagree on this point. If you read the full report OSU put out, it's apparent that he was making efforts to end multiple questionable traditions. He didn't move quickly or decisively enough, but to say he condoned it doesn't seem accurate. Every OSU marching band member & director, past & present, is just as responsible for the issues 100% if we're using his student past at OSU against him.

All that said, I hope folks on here can realize and appreciate the difference between my thoughts on the minutiae and condoning some of the gross student behavior as OK.

From what I remember when reading the report, he didn't start to really try to end the traditions until this May. It can't be a coincidence that this was after the investigations had already started. He needed to be more proactive...especially when one Band member was already expelled for assaulting another one.

And yes, the lying about swearing and contacting the reporter after being told specifically not to (and then lying about it), were the final straws. It taught the school that he just can't be trusted to be honest with them. He was fired after the reporter incidence.

(07-29-2014 09:50 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  From what I remember when reading the report, he didn't start to really try to end the traditions until this May. It can't be a coincidence that this was after the investigations had already started.

Yeah, his too little, too late approach was definitely the start of his undoing. I must have misread the report though. Thought it said he had successfully ended some of the more out-there traditions. If all of his actions were after the investigation started, then yeah, there you go. Pretty easy to see what's going on in that scenario.

Also, his band sounded like listening to a 45 record through a tin-can toy phone. BDBITL my ass. Sadly, I'm sure the new director will continue the tradition of sounding like that. Tradition will survive! :)