Well, sure, that is a safe statement to say that a team has no chance when the other team is in victory formation. But it is ridiculous to say that a team has ZERO chance before that, particularly when they have dominated you for the final quarter, are within 7 points, and a recovered kick gets you the ball with plenty of time to make plays. The onside kick was the CHANCE... and it is far less than a zero statistically.

I would also add that Birdsong deserved to be hit and have guys take shots at him during the victory formation. If you are gonna play mickey mouse games with not putting your knee down, guys have every right to go in and take shots at you. That is always a recipe for trouble.

(10-14-2013 08:45 PM)mistrhanky Wrote:  I would also add that Birdsong deserved to be hit and have guys take shots at him during the victory formation. If you are gonna play mickey mouse games with not putting your knee down, guys have every right to go in and take shots at you. That is always a recipe for trouble.

??? What's "mickey mouse" about running a couple more seconds off the clock before taking a knee? JMU needed those seconds to kill the clock. That was far from "mickey mouse"...it was smart play. And sorry, no QB "deserves to be hit" once they take a knee. That's not just a personal foul, but a cheap shot. Can't believe a JMU fan would even suggest MB deserved to have tick players take a shot at him for making the smart play and running the clock.

If you line up in that formation and play games with it, instead if putting your knee right down, you better expect someone to come hit you. I'd you don't want to be hit, put your knee down.

(10-14-2013 08:56 PM)mistrhanky Wrote:  If you line up in that formation and play games with it, instead if putting your knee right down, you better expect someone to come hit you. I'd you don't want to be hit, put your knee down.

Damn, Mistrhanky. I've seen QB's do that plenty of times. Never thought they were playing "games" or taunting or anything like that. I mean, the defense should try and tackle him until he takes a knee, could cause a fumble or something. Is that what you meant?

(10-14-2013 05:33 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 05:07 PM)Onyxduke7 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 03:44 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  It's amazing how much a label and classification lead to the indifference towards the team. FCS has a small time stink to it that many students can't get over. I remember my first year (2006) I came in feeling pretty dismissive of FCS (refused to go to any games after Bloomsburg). I was a huge college football fan and refused to associate myself with an FCS team at first. However, slowly but surely the Dukes won me over and I really regret not going to that home Delaware game (night game we won 44-20 or something). I really wish I could've been there just to heckle Joe Flacco alone. It was good play that drew me in and had I not been a Freshman until maybe 2011, I'm not sure I would've ever got on board.

I'm hooked now obviously, but I'm not so sure I would've been if I was a student today.

It really is the FCS label. Years ago, It was a struggle to get friends/roommates away from the tailgate and into the game because they wanted to head out and watch an FBS match-up on TV. FCS for some people really is holdup.

Sorry but anyone that skips JMU vs Richmond to watch an FBS game isn't going to attend a JMU vs E Michigan game over the same televised game

If we moved up to FBS we would definitely still have home games that no one cares about. But the huge difference between FCS and FBS is that as an FBS school we will play recognizable teams on the road. Students will be much more interested in attending home games (even against Eastern Michigan, etc.) if they saw that JMU played Pitt, Maryland, Rutgers, ECU, UNC, WVU, etc. and were on the same competitive level. We wouldn't even need to win all of those games. The simple fact that JMU is now playing with the recognizable teams would be enough to generate more interest.

And if JMU were to win some of those games, especially early on, the student attendance would increase significantly. Football games would become "can't miss." Students simply don't care about beating Delaware or UNH or Stony Brook because they have no idea who they are. Those teams are "small time." When games against recognizable FBS teams start being played, interest will skyrocket, even for games against crappy FBS schools.

I am on campus every single day and I have been for the past 4 years. I am a huge JMU sports fan and my friends and I have been in Port and Main, the Breeze, Yahoo Sports, and the Washington Post for JMU sports related stuff. People know that and talk to me all the time about sports (especially football) and I hear students convey these attitudes all the time. Student interest will pick up significantly once we move up to FBS. We just have to do it.

(10-14-2013 09:30 PM)JMU2014 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 05:33 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 05:07 PM)Onyxduke7 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 03:44 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  It's amazing how much a label and classification lead to the indifference towards the team. FCS has a small time stink to it that many students can't get over. I remember my first year (2006) I came in feeling pretty dismissive of FCS (refused to go to any games after Bloomsburg). I was a huge college football fan and refused to associate myself with an FCS team at first. However, slowly but surely the Dukes won me over and I really regret not going to that home Delaware game (night game we won 44-20 or something). I really wish I could've been there just to heckle Joe Flacco alone. It was good play that drew me in and had I not been a Freshman until maybe 2011, I'm not sure I would've ever got on board.

I'm hooked now obviously, but I'm not so sure I would've been if I was a student today.

It really is the FCS label. Years ago, It was a struggle to get friends/roommates away from the tailgate and into the game because they wanted to head out and watch an FBS match-up on TV. FCS for some people really is holdup.

Sorry but anyone that skips JMU vs Richmond to watch an FBS game isn't going to attend a JMU vs E Michigan game over the same televised game

If we moved up to FBS we would definitely still have home games that no one cares about. But the huge difference between FCS and FBS is that as an FBS school we will play recognizable teams on the road. Students will be much more interested in attending home games (even against Eastern Michigan, etc.) if they saw that JMU played Pitt, Maryland, Rutgers, ECU, UNC, WVU, etc. and were on the same competitive level. We wouldn't even need to win all of those games. The simple fact that JMU is now playing with the recognizable teams would be enough to generate more interest.

And if JMU were to win some of those games, especially early on, the student attendance would increase significantly. Football games would become "can't miss." Students simply don't care about beating Delaware or UNH or Stony Brook because they have no idea who they are. Those teams are "small time." When games against recognizable FBS teams start being played, interest will skyrocket, even for games against crappy FBS schools.

I am on campus every single day and I have been for the past 4 years. I am a huge JMU sports fan and my friends and I have been in Port and Main, the Breeze, Yahoo Sports, and the Washington Post for JMU sports related stuff. People know that and talk to me all the time about sports (especially football) and I hear students convey these attitudes all the time. Student interest will pick up significantly once we move up to FBS. We just have to do it.

Yeah, scheduling akron was weak sauce...I mean if we're going to lose to an FBS school...better it be against tech, wvu or maryland than freakin' akron

(10-14-2013 09:29 PM)jmu@uva Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 08:56 PM)mistrhanky Wrote:  If you line up in that formation and play games with it, instead if putting your knee right down, you better expect someone to come hit you. I'd you don't want to be hit, put your knee down.

Damn, Mistrhanky. I've seen QB's do that plenty of times. Never thought they were playing "games" or taunting or anything like that. I mean, the defense should try and tackle him until he takes a knee, could cause a fumble or something. Is that what you meant?

Yes, that is what I meant. Normally the defense should respect that formation and not be very aggressive and the offense kneels quickly to do their part.

But if the qb tries to extend, the D will often take it as a taunt and certainly has the right to try and hit you hard either as a simple statement of their unhappiness or as an attempt to recover the ball.

(10-14-2013 09:37 PM)mistrhanky Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 09:29 PM)jmu@uva Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 08:56 PM)mistrhanky Wrote:  If you line up in that formation and play games with it, instead if putting your knee right down, you better expect someone to come hit you. I'd you don't want to be hit, put your knee down.

Damn, Mistrhanky. I've seen QB's do that plenty of times. Never thought they were playing "games" or taunting or anything like that. I mean, the defense should try and tackle him until he takes a knee, could cause a fumble or something. Is that what you meant?

Yes, that is what I meant. Normally the defense should respect that formation and not be very aggressive and the offense kneels quickly to do their part.

But if the qb tries to extend, the D will often take it as a taunt and certainly has the right to try and hit you hard either as a simple statement of their unhappiness or as an attempt to recover the ball.

Well I don't agree that it was disrespectful to the defense if that's what you're asserting. But I do agree with you that while he's not kneeling, and continues to not kneel, the defense SHOULD try and make a play...especially if the are within striking distance. Would have expected Richmond to get to Birdsong if they could have.

(10-14-2013 09:30 PM)JMU2014 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 05:33 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 05:07 PM)Onyxduke7 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 03:44 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  It's amazing how much a label and classification lead to the indifference towards the team. FCS has a small time stink to it that many students can't get over. I remember my first year (2006) I came in feeling pretty dismissive of FCS (refused to go to any games after Bloomsburg). I was a huge college football fan and refused to associate myself with an FCS team at first. However, slowly but surely the Dukes won me over and I really regret not going to that home Delaware game (night game we won 44-20 or something). I really wish I could've been there just to heckle Joe Flacco alone. It was good play that drew me in and had I not been a Freshman until maybe 2011, I'm not sure I would've ever got on board.

I'm hooked now obviously, but I'm not so sure I would've been if I was a student today.

It really is the FCS label. Years ago, It was a struggle to get friends/roommates away from the tailgate and into the game because they wanted to head out and watch an FBS match-up on TV. FCS for some people really is holdup.

Sorry but anyone that skips JMU vs Richmond to watch an FBS game isn't going to attend a JMU vs E Michigan game over the same televised game

If we moved up to FBS we would definitely still have home games that no one cares about. But the huge difference between FCS and FBS is that as an FBS school we will play recognizable teams on the road. Students will be much more interested in attending home games (even against Eastern Michigan, etc.) if they saw that JMU played Pitt, Maryland, Rutgers, ECU, UNC, WVU, etc. and were on the same competitive level. We wouldn't even need to win all of those games. The simple fact that JMU is now playing with the recognizable teams would be enough to generate more interest.

And if JMU were to win some of those games, especially early on, the student attendance would increase significantly. Football games would become "can't miss." Students simply don't care about beating Delaware or UNH or Stony Brook because they have no idea who they are. Those teams are "small time." When games against recognizable FBS teams start being played, interest will skyrocket, even for games against crappy FBS schools.

I am on campus every single day and I have been for the past 4 years. I am a huge JMU sports fan and my friends and I have been in Port and Main, the Breeze, Yahoo Sports, and the Washington Post for JMU sports related stuff. People know that and talk to me all the time about sports (especially football) and I hear students convey these attitudes all the time. Student interest will pick up significantly once we move up to FBS. We just have to do it.

As long as JMU doesn't go below .500. A couple seasons of that after JMU moves up to Sun Belch or MAC or CUSA and the initial euphoria wears off interests will plummet.

(10-14-2013 10:10 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 09:30 PM)JMU2014 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 05:33 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 05:07 PM)Onyxduke7 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 03:44 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  It's amazing how much a label and classification lead to the indifference towards the team. FCS has a small time stink to it that many students can't get over. I remember my first year (2006) I came in feeling pretty dismissive of FCS (refused to go to any games after Bloomsburg). I was a huge college football fan and refused to associate myself with an FCS team at first. However, slowly but surely the Dukes won me over and I really regret not going to that home Delaware game (night game we won 44-20 or something). I really wish I could've been there just to heckle Joe Flacco alone. It was good play that drew me in and had I not been a Freshman until maybe 2011, I'm not sure I would've ever got on board.

I'm hooked now obviously, but I'm not so sure I would've been if I was a student today.

It really is the FCS label. Years ago, It was a struggle to get friends/roommates away from the tailgate and into the game because they wanted to head out and watch an FBS match-up on TV. FCS for some people really is holdup.

Sorry but anyone that skips JMU vs Richmond to watch an FBS game isn't going to attend a JMU vs E Michigan game over the same televised game

If we moved up to FBS we would definitely still have home games that no one cares about. But the huge difference between FCS and FBS is that as an FBS school we will play recognizable teams on the road. Students will be much more interested in attending home games (even against Eastern Michigan, etc.) if they saw that JMU played Pitt, Maryland, Rutgers, ECU, UNC, WVU, etc. and were on the same competitive level. We wouldn't even need to win all of those games. The simple fact that JMU is now playing with the recognizable teams would be enough to generate more interest.

And if JMU were to win some of those games, especially early on, the student attendance would increase significantly. Football games would become "can't miss." Students simply don't care about beating Delaware or UNH or Stony Brook because they have no idea who they are. Those teams are "small time." When games against recognizable FBS teams start being played, interest will skyrocket, even for games against crappy FBS schools.

I am on campus every single day and I have been for the past 4 years. I am a huge JMU sports fan and my friends and I have been in Port and Main, the Breeze, Yahoo Sports, and the Washington Post for JMU sports related stuff. People know that and talk to me all the time about sports (especially football) and I hear students convey these attitudes all the time. Student interest will pick up significantly once we move up to FBS. We just have to do it.

As long as JMU doesn't go below .500. A couple seasons of that after JMU moves up to Sun Belch or MAC or CUSA and the initial euphoria wears off interests will plummet.

I agree. Once up there, we can't be like Umass and completely tank. We need to have some success that grows into more and more success as time goes on, which we can most certainly do. This ship CAN be righted; we just need FBS cause FCS isn't going to cut it.

(10-14-2013 10:50 PM)JMU2014 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 10:10 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 09:30 PM)JMU2014 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 05:33 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 05:07 PM)Onyxduke7 Wrote:  It really is the FCS label. Years ago, It was a struggle to get friends/roommates away from the tailgate and into the game because they wanted to head out and watch an FBS match-up on TV. FCS for some people really is holdup.

Sorry but anyone that skips JMU vs Richmond to watch an FBS game isn't going to attend a JMU vs E Michigan game over the same televised game

If we moved up to FBS we would definitely still have home games that no one cares about. But the huge difference between FCS and FBS is that as an FBS school we will play recognizable teams on the road. Students will be much more interested in attending home games (even against Eastern Michigan, etc.) if they saw that JMU played Pitt, Maryland, Rutgers, ECU, UNC, WVU, etc. and were on the same competitive level. We wouldn't even need to win all of those games. The simple fact that JMU is now playing with the recognizable teams would be enough to generate more interest.

And if JMU were to win some of those games, especially early on, the student attendance would increase significantly. Football games would become "can't miss." Students simply don't care about beating Delaware or UNH or Stony Brook because they have no idea who they are. Those teams are "small time." When games against recognizable FBS teams start being played, interest will skyrocket, even for games against crappy FBS schools.

I am on campus every single day and I have been for the past 4 years. I am a huge JMU sports fan and my friends and I have been in Port and Main, the Breeze, Yahoo Sports, and the Washington Post for JMU sports related stuff. People know that and talk to me all the time about sports (especially football) and I hear students convey these attitudes all the time. Student interest will pick up significantly once we move up to FBS. We just have to do it.

As long as JMU doesn't go below .500. A couple seasons of that after JMU moves up to Sun Belch or MAC or CUSA and the initial euphoria wears off interests will plummet.

I agree. Once up there, we can't be like Umass and completely tank. We need to have some success that grows into more and more success as time goes on, which we can most certainly do. This ship CAN be righted; we just need FBS cause FCS isn't going to cut it.

Could do way better than UMass and still have support plummet after initial spike. UMass looks like 0-12, 0-12. Even multiple 4-8s/5-7s/6-6s support will plummet.

(10-14-2013 10:06 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(10-13-2013 05:12 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  JMad03 might have insight into what happened as he sits behind us. I really don't know what sparked the whole ordeal; if he actually had a complaint or decided to take turn it into a "situation" on his own.

I'm a little late in posting this, but I didn't think you were doing anything wrong. You were definitely the noisiest fan there (nothing wrong with that). You weren't swearing, and your "I hate Richmond"'s and "Kill the Ticks" didn't have any pure hatred or anything. I thought it was great.
I think someone must have issued a complaint thinking you were drunk, because the medical staff first came up there. Then when the cop came up, I thought that someone must have complained about it. Thought the cop was being a bit of a jerk (okay, more than a bit).
There were quite a few families with kids and maybe the word "kill" is too harsh for them. God forbid they have to explain something to their children.
By the way, huge kudos for the way you handled it. We need more fans like you in the stands- makes games way more fun.

I'm having a difficult time picturing what happened. Was it just non-stop, top of your lungs, blood curdling, incoherent screaming , like you were being slowly stalked and murdered ? Maybe a quick iPhone video is in order for the next game.

JMad, you're on my media team.

(10-14-2013 12:30 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Fair enough. I've definitely been obnoxious to a certain degree before (probably with you once or twice), but that didn't have anything to do with this Saturday.

I think your post does bring up some good questions that deserve an answer. Is the "line" where anyone around you gets embarrassed? If so, I couldn't say a simple "Go Dukes" around some folks. Obviously, there comes a time where having a minimum level of decorum is reached, but I think some people being more "embarrassment-sensitive" creates a weird standard where it's not entirely obvious all the time.

To me it is more embarrasing if you're not on your feet cheering the whole game. Those people should be embarrased to be at the game, maybe even to be alive really.

(10-15-2013 04:46 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 10:50 PM)JMU2014 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 10:10 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 09:30 PM)JMU2014 Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 05:33 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  Sorry but anyone that skips JMU vs Richmond to watch an FBS game isn't going to attend a JMU vs E Michigan game over the same televised game

If we moved up to FBS we would definitely still have home games that no one cares about. But the huge difference between FCS and FBS is that as an FBS school we will play recognizable teams on the road. Students will be much more interested in attending home games (even against Eastern Michigan, etc.) if they saw that JMU played Pitt, Maryland, Rutgers, ECU, UNC, WVU, etc. and were on the same competitive level. We wouldn't even need to win all of those games. The simple fact that JMU is now playing with the recognizable teams would be enough to generate more interest.

And if JMU were to win some of those games, especially early on, the student attendance would increase significantly. Football games would become "can't miss." Students simply don't care about beating Delaware or UNH or Stony Brook because they have no idea who they are. Those teams are "small time." When games against recognizable FBS teams start being played, interest will skyrocket, even for games against crappy FBS schools.

I am on campus every single day and I have been for the past 4 years. I am a huge JMU sports fan and my friends and I have been in Port and Main, the Breeze, Yahoo Sports, and the Washington Post for JMU sports related stuff. People know that and talk to me all the time about sports (especially football) and I hear students convey these attitudes all the time. Student interest will pick up significantly once we move up to FBS. We just have to do it.

As long as JMU doesn't go below .500. A couple seasons of that after JMU moves up to Sun Belch or MAC or CUSA and the initial euphoria wears off interests will plummet.

I agree. Once up there, we can't be like Umass and completely tank. We need to have some success that grows into more and more success as time goes on, which we can most certainly do. This ship CAN be righted; we just need FBS cause FCS isn't going to cut it.

Could do way better than UMass and still have support plummet after initial spike. UMass looks like 0-12, 0-12. Even multiple 4-8s/5-7s/6-6s support will plummet.

Very true but their is no alternative. Either we move up and try and position ourselves as best we can, or we stay in the CAA and watch as attendance and interest steadily decline. I know there will be growing pains but I think the alternative is just too damaging.

(10-15-2013 06:39 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  JMad, you're on my media team.

You got it! Hope the overhead cam will be sufficient.

Charleston, definitely wasn't screaming at top of lungs. He was probably at 3rd down volume during 1st and 2nds while many were just clapping. Certainly nothing that warranted a police visit by any means.
As for the medical staff, according to my wife she said they mentioned that someone had claimed to be in distress, which is why they came up there.
Hyper was standing, so maybe looking at him in an upright position distressed someone. I could see that being an issue.
Other than that, I have no clue.

(10-15-2013 09:46 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 06:39 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  JMad, you're on my media team.

You got it! Hope the overhead cam will be sufficient.

Charleston, definitely wasn't screaming at top of lungs. He was probably at 3rd down volume during 1st and 2nds while many were just clapping. Certainly nothing that warranted a police visit by any means.
As for the medical staff, according to my wife she said they mentioned that someone had claimed to be in distress, which is why they came up there.
Hyper was standing, so maybe looking at him in an upright position distressed someone. I could see that being an issue.
Other than that, I have no clue.

Somebody was in distress!? Jesus Christ the people that go to JMU football games are lame. If anyone was in distress it was all of us diehards who had to watch that terrible offense the past four seasons.

Hopefully will find out more about the complaint today. I ended up letting JMU folks know I had a bad experience. Praying that the phone call is friendly & informative, rather than more of the same double-speak that I've gotten thus far via email.

So is it safe to assume the name "Hyper" is a fitting one?

(10-15-2013 08:24 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(10-14-2013 12:30 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Fair enough. I've definitely been obnoxious to a certain degree before (probably with you once or twice), but that didn't have anything to do with this Saturday.

I think your post does bring up some good questions that deserve an answer. Is the "line" where anyone around you gets embarrassed? If so, I couldn't say a simple "Go Dukes" around some folks. Obviously, there comes a time where having a minimum level of decorum is reached, but I think some people being more "embarrassment-sensitive" creates a weird standard where it's not entirely obvious all the time.

To me it is more embarrasing if you're not on your feet cheering the whole game. Those people should be embarrased to be at the game, maybe even to be alive really.

I fell behind on this thread, but reading back a few pages ago that's what I was thinking. Move down to 109, I'm sure there was plenty down there way worse than anything you said I was embarrassed for the few people sitting quietly while everyone around them is screaming at the top of their lungs.