(10-12-2013 07:12 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 07:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 07:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  And if the Big XII finds out that 10 is the perfect number, what then?

Then everything I described above is thrown into motion by the ACC taking in Cincinnati and Memphis.......
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The ACC will never add Memphis.

Agree, Connecticut, Cincinnati or West Virginia will all be asked ahead of Memphis to join the ACC.

Also, folks East Carolina is a diamond in the rough as a football program.

(10-11-2013 10:46 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 08:21 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I'm going to presume that the G5 still have no incentive to go beyond 12 since the CFP payment distributions are defined through 2025, and the first group of funds is $1 million per school to a maximum of $12 million per conference.

Mountain West - loses Colorado State (XII), adds New Mexico State (SBC/WAC)
Pacific - Hawaii (football only), San Diego State, San Jose State, Fresno State, Nevada, UNLV
Mountain - Boise State, Utah State, Wyoming, Air Force, New Mexico, New Mexico State

American - loses Cincinnati, Memphis, Tulane (XII); adds UMass (football only, MAC), Middle Tennessee (CUSA), Western Kentucky (CUSA)
Western - Houston, Tulsa, SMU, Western Kentucky, East Carolina, Middle Tennessee
Eastern - UMass, UConn, South Florida, Central Florida Navy, Temple

Conference USA - Loses Middle Tennesse, Western Kentucky (AAC); Stays at 12
Western - UTEP, UTSA, Rice, North Texas, Louisiana Tech, Southern Miss
Eastern - Marshall, Old Dominion, Charlotte, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, UAB

Mid-American - Loses UMass (AAC); Stays at 12
Western - Northern Illinois, Ball State, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Toledo
Eastern - Buffalo, Kent State, Akron, Ohio, Miami-OH, Bowling Green

Sun Belt - loses NMSU (MWC); adds James Madison (CAA), Missouri State (football only, MVFC)
Western - Idaho (football only), Texas State, Arkansas State, Louisiana, Louisiana-Monroe, Missouri State (football only)
Eastern - South Alabama, Troy, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, App State, James Madison

Arkansas-Little Rock and Texas-Arlington work out a deal with the Missouri Valley Football Conference to play FCS football there and be first in line should the Sun Belt suffer any more losses.

Notre Dame, BYU, and Army remain FBS Independents.

I know UALR football is a popular topic amongst people who don't understand the political climate in Arkansas, but the University of Arkansas would have to agree for UALR to field a football program, and that will never happen.

Lol....that's a horrible looking layout for the AAC. ECU in the west division? I thought your concept was about becoming more regional? If the AAC is down to adding recent FBS move ups anyway, then the AAC divisions could be more balanced. Schools like UTSA, Texas St, Arky St, S Miss, Rice, ULaLa, and LaTech probably make more sense as replacements for western division schools like Tulane, Memphis, and Cinci if the goal is to return to regionalism in the east and west. The league looks pretty bad after the raid anyway. I'd add the schools with the largest enrollment left on the board in the west. UTSA and Texas State are two of the largest enrollment schools in the west. Then I'd replace the Louisanna school with LaTech. Now the west is as regional as the east division.

ACC West

Houston
UTSA
SMU
Tulsa
TxState
LaTech

That's a line up that will be very helpful when it's time to sign bowls. You could add academic appeal with Rice, but I'm not sure it's a great idea to add another small fanbase private.

(10-12-2013 08:46 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 07:12 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 07:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 07:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  And if the Big XII finds out that 10 is the perfect number, what then?

Then everything I described above is thrown into motion by the ACC taking in Cincinnati and Memphis........

The ACC will never add Memphis.

Agree, Connecticut, Cincinnati or West Virginia will all be asked ahead of Memphis to join the ACC.

Also, folks East Carolina is a diamond in the rough as a football program.

If ECU ever gets into a P5 conference, they could very well become THE football school in the state, just like VT did to Virginia once they joined the Big East...

Yes, because the ultimate goal is to see who has the most teams in the end. The major conference will start gobbling up mid majors as fast as they can.

(10-12-2013 09:57 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 08:46 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 07:12 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 07:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 07:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  And if the Big XII finds out that 10 is the perfect number, what then?

Then everything I described above is thrown into motion by the ACC taking in Cincinnati and Memphis........

The ACC will never add Memphis.

Agree, Connecticut, Cincinnati or West Virginia will all be asked ahead of Memphis to join the ACC.

Also, folks East Carolina is a diamond in the rough as a football program.

If ECU ever gets into a P5 conference, they could very well become THE football school in the state, just like VT did to Virginia once they joined the Big East...

Spot on!

Wilkie, I've been saying that since the 1990s...

Don't think that will happen. There's too much competition in NC. Virginia has UVA and Va Tech there's nobody else. ECU may be able to pass NC State, but they can't pass UNC.

(10-12-2013 10:35 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Don't think that will happen. There's too much competition in NC. Virginia has UVA and Va Tech there's nobody else. ECU may be able to pass NC State, but they can't pass UNC.

Don't bet on it, dude. What has UNC proven - other than the fact that they know how to cheat like an SEC team, without the same kind of on field results?

(10-12-2013 10:22 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Wilkie, I've been saying that since the 1990s...

Bit, two of my high school football coaches played football at ECU. I have followed ECU some what since the 1960s.

(10-12-2013 10:38 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 10:35 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Don't think that will happen. There's too much competition in NC. Virginia has UVA and Va Tech there's nobody else. ECU may be able to pass NC State, but they can't pass UNC.

Don't bet on it, dude. What has UNC proven - other than the fact that they know how to cheat like an SEC team, without the same kind of on field results?

SEC teams are professionals at cheating..proven by the fact they don't get caught.

We've proven with the right coach, we can win. Conference realignment discussions should have told you how coveted UNC is to the B1G and SEC.

(10-12-2013 10:07 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 09:57 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 08:46 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 07:12 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 07:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Then everything I described above is thrown into motion by the ACC taking in Cincinnati and Memphis........

The ACC will never add Memphis.

Agree, Connecticut, Cincinnati or West Virginia will all be asked ahead of Memphis to join the ACC.

Also, folks East Carolina is a diamond in the rough as a football program.

If ECU ever gets into a P5 conference, they could very well become THE football school in the state, just like VT did to Virginia once they joined the Big East...

Spot on!

Hmmm.....

ECU is a program with the philosophy build it and they will come with regard to the fan base. Then also schedule it and they will come with all those ACC programs in the house in the non-conference schedule.

Let's say Central Michigan expanded its stadium to 40,000 and had Purdue, Northwestern, Michigan State and Indiana in the house every other year. When Michigan State came to Mt. Pleasant the crowd was 33,000, or 15,000 above the norm. It CMU scheduled like that for 20 years they could eventually justify a 50,000 seat stadium.

ECU's peak competitively was that Peach Bowl bid in the early 90's back when there was only 10 southern mid-major programs. Today there are 30 mid majors in the south and its a more competitive recruiting environment. Putting ECU into a P5 is going to make them into nothing more than a N.C. State type program, nothing to get excited about.

I don't see ECU making the cut to become a "big boy."