(10-01-2013 04:42 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 07:00 PM)Wild Bill Kelso Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 09:22 AM)97App Wrote:  

(09-29-2013 08:08 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  ...We are getting physically beat on both lines, and we have been sliding in that area for at least 4 years. Nothing that some recruiting can't fix. ....

This cannot be emphasized enough. Our lines just aren't getting the job done. IMO we're undersized across the board OL & DL. We made a bad hire after Elliot left who under recruited the OL as well as ran off a player or two. I like our current OL coach but we're now paying for our past mistakes. Our DL wasn't big to begin with and now after implementing the 34 we're downright small. Our opponents have recognized this and are taking advantage. I expected growing pains on D, just not quite as bad as we saw Saturday. The absence of a true NT and overall lack of depth on the DL killed us vs CSU.



Agree - recruiting is the answer and while I'm not a believer on building a team on JuCo players, this year's recruiting season is tailor made for some JuCo linemen that want to jump right in and make an impact. One thing we can definitely offer is a chance to earn immediate playing time.

Undersized across the lines? Perhaps at one position on the OL but the unit goes 6-6 290, 6-2 295, 6-2 285, 5-11 270 & 6-6 311. The problem is they just aren't very good. They miss assignments and are late getting off blocks and holding others. I can't tell you how many times Acey has been late pulling and getting to the point. When Jamal was sacked on 4th down at Elon the guy never had a glove laid on him.

The DL goes (with Blair in the line up) 6-5 250, 6-3 275, 6-4 275. In 2005 our DT's were at 250 and ends at 225. We're just so young in the back 8 and in one game the guys were taking calls from the decoy not the real signal coach.

Personally I think we have a problem in the weight room. Our guys seem awfully weak and are getting pushed all over the place. Blocking today is nothing more than a shoving match and our guys are getting shoved out of the way.

That's why I said physically beat in my original comment. Agree with your assessment.

We run a 3-4 and need to gain at least 25 pounds at every position on the defensive line. 6-5 275 is lean for a 3-4 end. I'm looking more for a 6-2 295 pound guy who can set that edge and consume guys instead of beat them. We get beT so bad in the run game because our guys simply do not have the size to match up on 3 versus 5.

I hope you guys do have success, but it's unrealistic to believe that the run App had in FCS will be replicated in FBS.
As far as the coach I was talking of, he wasn't the head, he was an assistant that should've gotten the head job a few years back and didn't.
As far as Chadwell goes, it's cool to see him having this much success, but I don't think he's stayed in a job for more than a year ever. It's actually one of the reasons ETSU didn't really take a serious look at him.
You guys will right the ship and probably 5-6 years from now be in the 7-9 win range, but the days of undefeated years and really having only Ga. Southern and occasionally Wofford as competitive conference mates are over.
As far as our FBS dreams go, the vision and plans are there, but execution will be tough until they're willing to bring in some outsiders with new/different ideas in more than just a couple of positions.

(10-02-2013 02:49 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  I hope you guys do have success, but it's unrealistic to believe that the run App had in FCS will be replicated in FBS.
As far as the coach I was talking of, he wasn't the head, he was an assistant that should've gotten the head job a few years back and didn't.
As far as Chadwell goes, it's cool to see him having this much success, but I don't think he's stayed in a job for more than a year ever. It's actually one of the reasons ETSU didn't really take a serious look at him.
You guys will right the ship and probably 5-6 years from now be in the 7-9 win range, but the days of undefeated years and really having only Ga. Southern and occasionally Wofford as competitive conference mates are over.
As far as our FBS dreams go, the vision and plans are there, but execution will be tough until they're willing to bring in some outsiders with new/different ideas in more than just a couple of positions.

Appreciate what you said. We didn't do this to coast. Our AD said that in his speech when we accepted our FBS invite. We did this to challenge ourselves, and to grow our athletics like we do the rest of the university. We were told that day that this is not the end or the pinnacle of our success and that the hard work has just begun. Given our history, I have every confidence that we will be successful in this transition. Our fans LOVE football in Boone... win, lose or draw. It's not just about the sporting event... it is everything around it that draws people back. While this change will likely lead to more losses, it will also lead to and increased quality of football and better regular season home games, which will only help in the long-run.

I've been up there a bunch of times for ball games. Probably an all time favorite was seeing Ingle Martin get his brains beat in during the playoffs (the year escapes me). I didn't pack the right coat that day and nearly froze my rear end off that day.
I've followed it pretty closely having some family and friends in that area, some still there while others have moved on.
Alot of them are the App fans that "LOVE" Appy football then pack away the black and gold and "LOVE" the Tar Heels (and I give them plenty of grief about front running).
The increase in football quality is great for those 6-7 home games, just about anything is better than Elon but for those App fans who are more casual in their fandom, it's going to take some patience out of them through this transition.
And yea, ETSU is working to play catch up. It's only taken about 30-40 years to get in a competent president since the Roy Nicks days.
I still can't believe ya'll lost to Charleston Southern. I don't think they have a full 63 yet, but I did look at their schedule and they have a shot at 9-10 wins this year. I hope they get it for Coach Chadwell's sake, and I hope he stays put instead of looking for the first ticket to another job.

You never know. That's what is so great about football.
Is ETSU building an outdoor stadium? We had some good games in the past. Never really hated you guys, which is saying a lot. Look forward to us playing again soon. So convenient distance wise.
Saw the 1924 or so video of ET coming to Boone by train to play a football game @ a year ago. Interesting. Who was the defensive player from ETSU who transferred to UNC when you dropped football, that went onto the pros? Is he still playing?

I like what Chadwell has to offer. Yeah he is a coaching nomad, but he does more with less, isn't afraid to throw sour grapes at people running a program into the dirt, and he gets his kids ready to play and motivated.

If this season goes as bad as I think it will, maybe App takes a look at him. He has PROVEN his head coaching value everywhere he has been. Maybe eventually he takes the first thing going out of Boone after the first bowl game, but does anyone think Satterfield wouldn't do the same? I'm just not really sold on Satterfield "finding" his way in the head coaching ranks at our program's expense.

(10-01-2013 09:16 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(10-01-2013 08:45 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(10-01-2013 08:12 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Agree with you on our strength and conditioning coach. Just have not seen it the last few years and especially this year. If I didn't know better would think Chris Moore was running it.

Appalachian used to have the best strength coach and let him go. He was an odd duck, but he was good at his job.
There are no excuses to EVER lose to an HBCU or underfunded Charleston Southern. Their 4-0 record going into the App game included wins over mighty Shorter (who just started football), Campbell (Non-scholarship and two years old), Norfolk State and The Citadel. The win was huge for the other Bucs and will probably get Jamey Chadwell a better job (He's a jobhopper from way back), but no way App should lose to them. That's a pride issue.
And to those eluding to Marshall's mediocrity the last several years, you'd better get used to having between 5-7 losses a year. I do sincerely hope that the App fans that put their black and gold up in the winter for any combination of red and white, tarheel blue, puke blue, and the occasional orange and white don't abandon going up there, but something tells me that as the cost of a ticket goes up and the losses go up, the attendance will drop.

And to think I have been rooting for ETSU bringing football back, and maybe eventually getting into the SBC with us. Oh, well. Think we lost our really good strength coach to that world famous tennis complex in Florida, do not recall the name of it. Do not believe we fired him. Had another right after that that took a really good job also, and then placed a former player as the S&C coach, but could be wrong. Am sure that you are pleased since Jamey Chadwell is originally an ETSU Buc, and would think he gets a better job. He has it going for them without having a lot to work with except his brain.

Dillman left App to be the head of physical conditioning at the IMG Performance Institute in Bradenton, overseeing a staff of 11 full-time trainers, three grad assistants and three interns. They are most famous for training world class tennis players but I believe they do athletes in a variety of sports. He is now the S&C coach at Florida. Following him, we had Kent who was also great but whom we lost to Colorado State. I completely agree that this is one of our biggest "areas of opportunity" and I think this makes the recruiting look worse than it was. We have some young talent, but we need to develop them.

Who is our current strength coach and isn't he a former App player?

(10-02-2013 08:25 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  You never know. That's what is so great about football.
Is ETSU building an outdoor stadium? We had some good games in the past. Never really hated you guys, which is saying a lot. Look forward to us playing again soon. So convenient distance wise.
Saw the 1924 or so video of ET coming to Boone by train to play a football game @ a year ago. Interesting. Who was the defensive player from ETSU who transferred to UNC when you dropped football, that went onto the pros? Is he still playing?

Yes it'll be outdoor. Ironically enough, ETSU will have one of the best indoor practice facilities in all of FCS, and it's already built! Oh the foresight of building it back in the 70's. Gerald Sensabaugh and Scott Brummett both transferred to Chapel Hill after we dropped, and both were instrumental in the Heels win against Miami that following year. Gerald finally retired this year, moved home with his family, is enrolled in school and will probably help out with football in some capacity. App was never a hate relationship for me either. I hate Chattanooga. Running 63 points on them with 40 players total that last year was amazing. I posted a job description on our board under our stadium thread that really makes me wonder what the long term vision is.
And by the way, while I don't hate App, we do owe you a flaming bag of crap on your doorstep for dumping Barbie Breedlove on us (thankfully she's out now).

(10-02-2013 08:55 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  I like what Chadwell has to offer. Yeah he is a coaching nomad, but he does more with less, isn't afraid to throw sour grapes at people running a program into the dirt, and he gets his kids ready to play and motivated.

If this season goes as bad as I think it will, maybe App takes a look at him. He has PROVEN his head coaching value everywhere he has been. Maybe eventually he takes the first thing going out of Boone after the first bowl game, but does anyone think Satterfield wouldn't do the same? I'm just not really sold on Satterfield "finding" his way in the head coaching ranks at our program's expense.

I like Coach Chadwell, I do. He's nice, his family is nice and he has done a great job everywhere he's been. That said, he's not the guy, no more than I would ever want Chris Beatty (currently at Wisconsin/ETSU alum) running my program. Same with Jason Simpson at UT-Martin.
I'm with you on Satterfield, though this is the perfect year for him to find his way. The situation is right, a transition year with nothing but pride to play for, it's a great way to evaluate talent, try different things and not worry as much about the record as preparing for next year. About the only fireable offense would be losing the jug. You guys lose to Western and they may have to atleast discuss a change in some staff.

(10-03-2013 06:54 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Who is our current strength coach and isn't he a former App player?

Kareem Young. Played at App from 95 - 98. Saw limited action at FB. Good guy. Was an asst under Mike Kent. Whether or not he is the right guy for the position is up for debate. We seem to do a lot of that move up stuff.

(10-03-2013 10:11 AM)Wild Bill Kelso Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 06:54 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Who is our current strength coach and isn't he a former App player?

Kareem Young. Played at App from 95 - 98. Saw limited action at FB. Good guy. Was an asst under Mike Kent. Whether or not he is the right guy for the position is up for debate. We seem to do a lot of that move up stuff.

The "after conducting a Nationwide search, we discovered the best man for the job was the one right under our nose" is a tradition at App I'd rather see go by the wayside. It's worked a few times, but not often.

(10-03-2013 05:58 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 10:11 AM)Wild Bill Kelso Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 06:54 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Who is our current strength coach and isn't he a former App player?

Kareem Young. Played at App from 95 - 98. Saw limited action at FB. Good guy. Was an asst under Mike Kent. Whether or not he is the right guy for the position is up for debate. We seem to do a lot of that move up stuff.

The "after conducting a Nationwide search, we discovered the best man for the job was the one right under our nose" is a tradition at App I'd rather see go by the wayside. It's worked a few times, but not often.

Can't even begin to recall the number of times we have heard that statement.

(10-03-2013 05:58 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 10:11 AM)Wild Bill Kelso Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 06:54 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Who is our current strength coach and isn't he a former App player?

Kareem Young. Played at App from 95 - 98. Saw limited action at FB. Good guy. Was an asst under Mike Kent. Whether or not he is the right guy for the position is up for debate. We seem to do a lot of that move up stuff.

The "after conducting a Nationwide search, we discovered the best man for the job was the one right under our nose" is a tradition at App I'd rather see go by the wayside. It's worked a few times, but not often.

Unless there is an obvious discernible difference would hope they always would give it to the App State guy or whoever we have in place. If you cannot bring in an obvious improvement, why bring in an outsider just for the sake of it being an outsider.

(10-03-2013 05:58 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 10:11 AM)Wild Bill Kelso Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 06:54 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Who is our current strength coach and isn't he a former App player?

Kareem Young. Played at App from 95 - 98. Saw limited action at FB. Good guy. Was an asst under Mike Kent. Whether or not he is the right guy for the position is up for debate. We seem to do a lot of that move up stuff.

The "after conducting a Nationwide search, we discovered the best man for the job was the one right under our nose" is a tradition at App I'd rather see go by the wayside. It's worked a few times, but not often.

Thats been a long standing policy of our AD. Or conduct a search and add someone from your rolladex, even if they aren't the best for the job. It's one reason basketball was so awful for so long. The new mens coach was the first hire I've seen ourside of his circle in a long time. (with the exception of our womens bball)

I've been questioning the strength aspect of strength and conditioning for a while now.

I do think Satterfield would make a move to get someone better after the season if he feels the same. Dale Jones is one of his closest friends and one of his first things to do as HFC was to demote him and bring in Woody.

After this season, you can bet there's going to be an evaluation of the assistants and if their FBS-level readiness.