(09-20-2013 03:56 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  Penn State fans have been lamenting this for years in the Big Ten. We could give you a laundry list of KEY missed calls in our games against the Big 2 (OSU and UM). Heck, those bad calls are probably the reason that Paterno lobbied so hard for instant replay...which the Big Ten eventually adopted...and then the rest of the NCAA followed.

But as NCSt. saw last night...and PSU saw last year against the Legends division front-runner and blue-blood Cornhuskers... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O09IUXNZ_Ws

...sometimes officials have reasons for making the calls they do, inside and outside the replay booth.

B10 officials are one of the worst out there. I am surprised the B10 refs don't wear Scarlet and Gray during the games.

(09-20-2013 04:23 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Anybody who thinks group of refs that can have Ron Cherry wearing a white cap is competent is off their rocker. The ACC umps are too blundering to actually throw games. And if the ACC refs were throwing games to help the league, I damn sure want to know what was up with the phantom late hit GT had at home against Notre Dame in '06 on GameDay that cost us and turned the momentum of the game against us.

Ron Cherry is the biggest joke in College Football. A few years ago in a ECU vs UNCheat game in Chapel Hill we had three future NFL Defensive Lineman on the field. On a UNCHeat drive that we were in the process of shutting down to limit to them at best a field goal our DL C.J Wilson was chasing the UNCheat QB to the sidelines. A UNCheat player came and shoved CJ Wilson in the back and in the process pushed him into the UNCheat QB out of bounds. Ron Cherry was standing right there and does he call the UNCheat player for pushing CJ in the back ?? Nope he calls CJ Wilson for a unsportsmanlike conduct for hitting the UNCheat QB late out of bounds and keeps the UNCheat drive going on a 3rd down which then resulted in a TD that won them the game.

At ECU we have pretty much come to expect this and it is just the reality of playing ACC teams with ACC refs. You know you have to win by at least 10pts or last second OT wins like we did against NCST a few years ago or you are not going to win. It is the price we pay for playing local ACC schools that our fans want to play so bad. We have had similar experiences over the years playing SEC schools so it is not just the ACC refs but just the reality of college football. Sad part is when we get CUSA refs they are just so damn incompetent that they screw us too.

(09-20-2013 04:59 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 03:56 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  Penn State fans have been lamenting this for years in the Big Ten. We could give you a laundry list of KEY missed calls in our games against the Big 2 (OSU and UM). Heck, those bad calls are probably the reason that Paterno lobbied so hard for instant replay...which the Big Ten eventually adopted...and then the rest of the NCAA followed.

But as NCSt. saw last night...and PSU saw last year against the Legends division front-runner and blue-blood Cornhuskers... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O09IUXNZ_Ws

...sometimes officials have reasons for making the calls they do, inside and outside the replay booth.

B10 officials are one of the worst out there. I am surprised the B10 refs don't wear Scarlet and Gray during the games.

I always thought it was blue and maize. Granted, UM did finally balance themselves out, borrowing an extra second in 2005 against PSU to take one away against ND a few years later.

This is the worst year of officiating I've ever seen. And it's blatantly obvious that conferences are protecting their teams or the teams that have a shot at the playoff. TCU and SMU both got jobbed by horrible calls against Texas Tech. The kick interference call on TCU was so bad and a game changer. The holding call on the SMU rb on play action - Tim Brando said it was the worst call he'd ever seen and that it changed the whole game taking back that TD.

I don't have to mention Wisconsin. And now NC st too. It's gotten very very bad. I'm sick of apologies from conferences about their refs. It's getting bad folks. It's rigged.

(09-19-2013 10:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It was just the law of averages. After 60 years of getting screwed by ACC officials in every way possible we were bound to benefit from one sometime.

But fret you not, I would not be surprised if Old Tarheel Johnny himself wasn't burning up the road to get to Carter-Finley to fire the crew for making a mistake that worked in Clemson's favor over someone from Tobacco Road.

Re: ACC football
Clemson has gotten the benefit of the doubt more often than any other ACC school in the league's history although FSU is closing in fast.
The only reason you or any other Clemson fan ever gets upset is because expansion has eliminated the fiefdoms in football and baseball that Clemson controlled in the ACC. "60 years of getting screwed".....what a joke.

I didn't think the blown out of bounds play was terribly egregious. Yes, they got the call wrong, but at full speed and without the aid of replay he was very close to the chalk. The TV broadcast team had to play it twice, from two different angles before they could call it. That is with the video replay and slow motion. I can see how a human being without the aid of multiple angles of sight could have made the mistake.

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(09-20-2013 12:19 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  I chalk it up to the ACC making sure they keep a team in the top 5

Yup. Reminds me of when KU jot jobbed against Texas.

(09-20-2013 09:03 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I didn't think the blown out of bounds play was terribly egregious. Yes, they got the call wrong, but at full speed and without the aid of replay he was very close to the chalk. The TV broadcast team had to play it twice, from two different angles before they could call it. That is with the video replay and slow motion. I can see how a human being without the aid of multiple angles of sight could have made the mistake.

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Yeah it was close imho.

(09-19-2013 10:31 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

Nothing knew CUSA and the Big East were the same way.

(09-20-2013 09:42 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 09:03 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I didn't think the blown out of bounds play was terribly egregious. Yes, they got the call wrong, but at full speed and without the aid of replay he was very close to the chalk. The TV broadcast team had to play it twice, from two different angles before they could call it. That is with the video replay and slow motion. I can see how a human being without the aid of multiple angles of sight could have made the mistake.

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Yeah it was close imho.

I also agree with Shannon Panther. That's really a 50/50 call on the field.

(09-20-2013 03:56 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  Penn State fans have been lamenting this for years in the Big Ten. We could give you a laundry list of KEY missed calls in our games against the Big 2 (OSU and UM). Heck, those bad calls are probably the reason that Paterno lobbied so hard for instant replay...which the Big Ten eventually adopted...and then the rest of the NCAA followed.

But as NCSt. saw last night...and PSU saw last year against the Legends division front-runner and blue-blood Cornhuskers... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O09IUXNZ_Ws

...sometimes officials have reasons for making the calls they do, inside and outside the replay booth.

Peep this...

Both of the INSANE calls below were made by the FATHER (Don Guman) of a Penn State player (Mike Guman) competing IN THESE GAMES. That is an insane level of brazen behavior and it is why both Nebraska and Alabama cancelled their respective series with Penn State.

But don't take my word for it, click on the vids below and decide for yourself if these were just bad calls or corrupt calls?









That last video was on fourth-and-eight. Had the play correctly been ruled a no catch, Nebraska would have won the game and Penn State would have been denied the first of its two national championships.

Penn State crying about officiating is a bit like Madonna whining about Lady Gaga being too over-the-top with her act.

(09-20-2013 07:43 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 10:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It was just the law of averages. After 60 years of getting screwed by ACC officials in every way possible we were bound to benefit from one sometime.

But fret you not, I would not be surprised if Old Tarheel Johnny himself wasn't burning up the road to get to Carter-Finley to fire the crew for making a mistake that worked in Clemson's favor over someone from Tobacco Road.

Re: ACC football
Clemson has gotten the benefit of the doubt more often than any other ACC school in the league's history although FSU is closing in fast.
The only reason you or any other Clemson fan ever gets upset is because expansion has eliminated the fiefdoms in football and baseball that Clemson controlled in the ACC. "60 years of getting screwed".....what a joke.

The F would a basketball school's fan know about football officiating?

(09-20-2013 10:38 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 09:42 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 09:03 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I didn't think the blown out of bounds play was terribly egregious. Yes, they got the call wrong, but at full speed and without the aid of replay he was very close to the chalk. The TV broadcast team had to play it twice, from two different angles before they could call it. That is with the video replay and slow motion. I can see how a human being without the aid of multiple angles of sight could have made the mistake.

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Yeah it was close imho.

I also agree with Shannon Panther. That's really a 50/50 call on the field.

You guys are clueless. If it's 50/50 then you don't make the call and let replay review it.

(09-20-2013 11:01 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

You guys are clueless. If it's 50/50 then you don't make the call and let replay review it.

That's not how officiating works. You make the call that you see, then if needed, it goes up to replay.

(09-20-2013 11:11 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 11:01 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

You guys are clueless. If it's 50/50 then you don't make the call and let replay review it.

That's not how officiating works. You make the call that you see, then if needed, it goes up to replay.

first year watching college football?

edit: I'll give you a hint. Is it reviewable when the call on the field is the runner stepped out of bounds?

(09-20-2013 10:38 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 09:42 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 09:03 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I didn't think the blown out of bounds play was terribly egregious. Yes, they got the call wrong, but at full speed and without the aid of replay he was very close to the chalk. The TV broadcast team had to play it twice, from two different angles before they could call it. That is with the video replay and slow motion. I can see how a human being without the aid of multiple angles of sight could have made the mistake.

Yeah it was close imho.

I also agree with Shannon Panther. That's really a 50/50 call on the field.

I'd agree with you guys, except for the fact that the review clearly showed that the ref that blew the whistle was unable to see the play due to other players being between him and the man with the ball...

The ref couldn't even see the play, yet made a critical call that changed the momentum of the game. That's pure incompetence IMO...

(09-20-2013 11:25 AM)Tiguar Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 11:11 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 11:01 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

You guys are clueless. If it's 50/50 then you don't make the call and let replay review it.

That's not how officiating works. You make the call that you see, then if needed, it goes up to replay.

first year watching college football?

edit: I'll give you a hint. Is it reviewable when the call on the field is the runner stepped out of bounds?

No it isn't. Which is why it wasn't reviewed. I would support changing that rule for next year.

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(09-20-2013 01:32 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 11:25 AM)Tiguar Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 11:11 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 11:01 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

You guys are clueless. If it's 50/50 then you don't make the call and let replay review it.

That's not how officiating works. You make the call that you see, then if needed, it goes up to replay.

first year watching college football?

edit: I'll give you a hint. Is it reviewable when the call on the field is the runner stepped out of bounds?

No it isn't. Which is why it wasn't reviewed. I would support changing that rule for next year.

The reason it wasn't reviewed is because the whistle blew, which stops the action. Those are not reviewed. Whether or not the man stepped out of bounds or not can be reviewed at any time, except when the whistle blows, effectively ending the play...

I imagine that rule will come under scrutiny shortly, since there have been so many erroneous calls of late that aren't able to be reviewed at this time due to NCAA rules. Everyone is seeing the stupidity of certain rules, so they'll change 'em in due time...

(09-20-2013 04:06 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Is there a fan base out there that doesn't think the refs are out to get them?

I'd say UNC but everytime they lose to Duke in basketball their fans say the same old tired crap "Duke paid the refs! The refs lost us that game!"

(09-20-2013 01:59 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 01:32 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 11:25 AM)Tiguar Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 11:11 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 11:01 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

You guys are clueless. If it's 50/50 then you don't make the call and let replay review it.

That's not how officiating works. You make the call that you see, then if needed, it goes up to replay.

first year watching college football?

edit: I'll give you a hint. Is it reviewable when the call on the field is the runner stepped out of bounds?

No it isn't. Which is why it wasn't reviewed. I would support changing that rule for next year.

The reason it wasn't reviewed is because the whistle blew, which stops the action. Those are not reviewed. Whether or not the man stepped out of bounds or not can be reviewed at any time, except when the whistle blows, effectively ending the play...

I imagine that rule will come under scrutiny shortly, since there have been so many erroneous calls of late that aren't able to be reviewed at this time due to NCAA rules. Everyone is seeing the stupidity of certain rules, so they'll change 'em in due time...

The obvious thing to do is to finish the play and then review, but ACC ref is gonna ACC ref.