(09-19-2013 09:52 AM)john01992 Wrote:  ive never heard of the BE contract being downgraded, and 2003 terms cut in half is like 1 mill at best. the BE was offered a major contract extension post 2003 anyways.

BE football contract went from $40 million a year to $13 million a year. Call it what you want, but I call it being smashed. This was somewhat offset because they got an increase on the BB contract from $24 million a year to $32 million a year.

(09-19-2013 10:28 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 09:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 09:13 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 09:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 08:55 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  For those truly motivated, it doesn't matter where they learn. Abraham Lincoln got a better education in a log cabin than many students do today...

it has nothing to do with quality of education. conferences are held together by academics as much as they are held together by football

So you're saying that academics has nothing to do with the quality of a person's education?

im saying quality of education is not meaningful to the current argument

It should. And the fact that it isn't is part of the problem with education in America today. The rest of the world is educating their citizens better than we are, which didn't use to be the case...

sorry but it is.......

schools want to be associated with schools who are well known for their academics, they dont care what you can do with a wvu degree, or how much different it is than a harvard degree, they care about the public perception associated with WVU's academic's

(09-19-2013 12:39 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 09:25 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 09:13 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I wouldnt say its as simple as "academics'

Academics are part of what I call "peer status attainment"

Conferences are held together by being a group that WANTS to associate with each other because the members represent to the individual schools a group of their peers (culturally, academically, athletically etc)

If the conference is made up of schools that consider each other peers, they will remain stable and happy.

If a conference has members who don't consider the group (or not enough of the group) to be their peers then instability and unhappiness will soon follow.

dude thats exactly how i have always felt.

maryland for example is as much of a b10 style school as you can get. even though they have been with the acc schools since the socon they have been a cultural outlier for the last few decades.

syracuse is a private bb/lax school. they fit in perfectly with the acc and would be a total outlier in the b10. even though we aligned football wise much better in the b10

It was this simple: MD athletics is in a dire financial situation. They went with a way that they perceived would correct that. That is essentially 99% of the decision.

sorry but i call BS on that. look at their arwu vs us news rankings and compare it to other acc/b10 schools.

they are a clear cut academic outlier there

(09-19-2013 01:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 10:28 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 09:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 09:13 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 09:07 AM)john01992 Wrote:  it has nothing to do with quality of education. conferences are held together by academics as much as they are held together by football

So you're saying that academics has nothing to do with the quality of a person's education?

im saying quality of education is not meaningful to the current argument

It should. And the fact that it isn't is part of the problem with education in America today. The rest of the world is educating their citizens better than we are, which didn't use to be the case...

sorry but it is.......

schools want to be associated with schools who are well known for their academics, they dont care what you can do with a wvu degree, or how much different it is than a harvard degree, they care about the public perception associated with WVU's academic's

MIT didn't seem to think negatively about my WVU education when I got accepted...

(09-19-2013 01:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 01:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 10:28 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 09:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 09:13 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  So you're saying that academics has nothing to do with the quality of a person's education?

im saying quality of education is not meaningful to the current argument

It should. And the fact that it isn't is part of the problem with education in America today. The rest of the world is educating their citizens better than we are, which didn't use to be the case...

sorry but it is.......

schools want to be associated with schools who are well known for their academics, they dont care what you can do with a wvu degree, or how much different it is than a harvard degree, they care about the public perception associated with WVU's academic's

MIT didn't seem to think negatively about my WVU education when I got accepted...

are you stupid?

m talking about name brand association.

wvu isnt exactly getting an invite into the ivy league anytime soon.......

and thats the point. what you did doesnt matter wether its MIT or a community college

(09-19-2013 01:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 01:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  MIT didn't seem to think negatively about my WVU education when I got accepted...

are you stupid?

I got accepted at MIT and you're asking if I'M stupid? That's got to be one of the stupidest conclusions ever made on this board...

You have no conception of what I'm saying, because you're reading what you want to see, rather than what is actually said...

BTW, academic ratings are more a matter of paperwork than actual academics. They take things like acceptance rates, average acceptance test scores, and who is associated with who, which isn't a true test of the school's academic ability...

(09-19-2013 01:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 01:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 01:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  MIT didn't seem to think negatively about my WVU education when I got accepted...

are you stupid?

I got accepted at MIT and you're asking if I'M stupid? That's got to be one of the stupidest conclusions ever made on this board...

You have no conception of what I'm saying, because you're reading what you want to see, rather than what is actually said...

BTW, academic ratings are more a matter of paperwork than actual academics. They take things like acceptance rates, average acceptance test scores, and who is associated with who, which isn't a true test of the school's academic ability...

works both ways buddy

(09-19-2013 01:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  sorry but i call BS on that. look at their arwu vs us news rankings and compare it to other acc/b10 schools.

they are a clear cut academic outlier there

I went to Maryland, and no it was not remotely an "outlier" academically in the ACC. It is very similar in stature to UVA and UNC, much more similar to those schools both in size, culture, and academic research than to any Big Ten school save for many Penn St (and Rutgers). I'll give you that Maryland was somewhat of an outlier, but it was more because they were the most outspoken of the non-power schools who wanted more say in the direction of the conference. THAT is why they were an outlier, not due academics.

Why is it that Maryland alums root for other programs? Not flaming...legitimately curious.

I am not from Maryland. I just went to school there, so that's my reason. I didn't know many other students when I attended, since I split time between Maryland and Towson University and just commuted from Baltimore, but if I had to guess it is because a large chunk of the students are from out of state as compared to other large universities. Going to Maryland on out of state tuition costs less than instate tuition for many Northeastern states (NY, NJ, PA, MA, etc) so it draws a lot of people from near and around NY.

(09-19-2013 02:33 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 01:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  sorry but i call BS on that. look at their arwu vs us news rankings and compare it to other acc/b10 schools.

they are a clear cut academic outlier there

I went to Maryland, and no it was not remotely an "outlier" academically in the ACC. It is very similar in stature to UVA and UNC, much more similar to those schools both in size, culture, and academic research than to any Big Ten school save for many Penn St (and Rutgers). I'll give you that Maryland was somewhat of an outlier, but it was more because they were the most outspoken of the non-power schools who wanted more say in the direction of the conference. THAT is why they were an outlier, not due academics.

I'd say that on those factors, the Big Ten school most similar to Maryland is Minnesota. Each is a large public university, with a strong research reputation, in a major urban area.

(09-19-2013 02:42 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I am not from Maryland. I just went to school there, so that's my reason. I didn't know many other students when I attended, since I split time between Maryland and Towson University and just commuted from Baltimore, but if I had to guess it is because a large chunk of the students are from out of state as compared to other large universities. Going to Maryland on out of state tuition costs less than instate tuition for many Northeastern states (NY, NJ, PA, MA, etc) so it draws a lot of people from near and around NY.

I've been to DC/Baltimore area numerous times for work and pleasure. It is funny that when you get in a conversation with someone, no one seems to be a native. Everyone is from somewhere else?!?

(09-19-2013 02:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 01:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 01:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 01:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  MIT didn't seem to think negatively about my WVU education when I got accepted...

are you stupid?

I got accepted at MIT and you're asking if I'M stupid? That's got to be one of the stupidest conclusions ever made on this board...

You have no conception of what I'm saying, because you're reading what you want to see, rather than what is actually said...

BTW, academic ratings are more a matter of paperwork than actual academics. They take things like acceptance rates, average acceptance test scores, and who is associated with who, which isn't a true test of the school's academic ability...

works both ways buddy

That's a great comeback when you have absolutely nothing to say. Isn't it?

(09-19-2013 03:59 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 02:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 01:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 01:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 01:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  MIT didn't seem to think negatively about my WVU education when I got accepted...

are you stupid?

I got accepted at MIT and you're asking if I'M stupid? That's got to be one of the stupidest conclusions ever made on this board...

You have no conception of what I'm saying, because you're reading what you want to see, rather than what is actually said...

BTW, academic ratings are more a matter of paperwork than actual academics. They take things like acceptance rates, average acceptance test scores, and who is associated with who, which isn't a true test of the school's academic ability...

works both ways buddy

That's a great comeback when you have absolutely nothing to say. Isn't it?

no dude you have a total and complete disregard to understand what im saying and the point i made.

(09-19-2013 04:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 03:59 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 02:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 01:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 01:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  are you stupid?

I got accepted at MIT and you're asking if I'M stupid? That's got to be one of the stupidest conclusions ever made on this board...

You have no conception of what I'm saying, because you're reading what you want to see, rather than what is actually said...

BTW, academic ratings are more a matter of paperwork than actual academics. They take things like acceptance rates, average acceptance test scores, and who is associated with who, which isn't a true test of the school's academic ability...

works both ways buddy

That's a great comeback when you have absolutely nothing to say. Isn't it?

no dude you have a total and complete disregard to understand what im saying and the point i made.

That's because your point doesn't tell the whole story. It's based upon rankings that are little different than the AP and coaches polls, and all of it is based upon paperwork...

(09-19-2013 04:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 04:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 03:59 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 02:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 01:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I got accepted at MIT and you're asking if I'M stupid? That's got to be one of the stupidest conclusions ever made on this board...

You have no conception of what I'm saying, because you're reading what you want to see, rather than what is actually said...

BTW, academic ratings are more a matter of paperwork than actual academics. They take things like acceptance rates, average acceptance test scores, and who is associated with who, which isn't a true test of the school's academic ability...

works both ways buddy

That's a great comeback when you have absolutely nothing to say. Isn't it?

no dude you have a total and complete disregard to understand what im saying and the point i made.

That's because your point doesn't tell the whole story. It's based upon rankings that are little different than the AP and coaches polls, and all of it is based upon paperwork...

my whole point is that rankings dont even matter, (and the b12 still sucks in those rankings anyways so dont get your hopes up) the fact is every b12 school not named texas isnt well perceived by other schools academically.

5 straight years of good academic rankings wont change that

So says the man who can't pick a favorite school...

(09-19-2013 04:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  So says the man who can't pick a favorite school...

really?? a mod of all people has to resort to that????

Is it true of false?

(09-18-2013 02:31 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 11:34 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Basically, nobody is leaving for the length of the GoR. So you guys can quit speculating about the breakup of the Big XII for the next decade or so...

Texas fans on Orange blood are talking about Texas leaving now. I know Texas leaving is the last thing a West Virginia fans wants to hear. However, Bit it is really being discussed by Texas movers and shakers.

Maybe that's why the Big 12 has decided to update the Gor hoping it will prevent Texas from making any changes.

Orangebloods is also citing Tom Jurich of Louisville as the next AD. Any comment on that??

Texas is a sleeping giant that has been out of the college football picture for far too long. They will get back into in a big way. All the losing is tearing up the fans. Too much money and too much losing.