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(08-28-2013 03:29 PM)RedEyeCougar Wrote:  NCAA is corrupt. They have no value.

That is absolutely true and undeniable. However, that also begs the question, "Who exactly are the NCAA and who should be held accountable for such an obviously broken system?"

Seriously, we need to answer that seemingly basic question to have a legitimate discussion on this matter.

To me Mark Emmert is but a drop in an ocean of thievery and deception. I think those who blame Emmert and his small office staff for all of the corruption that is now pervasive in college athletics are completely missing the point. To me that mentality is a bit like people who blame President Obama for each time the price goes up on a gallon of milk.

I mean, come on and get real!

It is ludicrous to blame the NCAA for all of its corruption and then turn around and absolve from any blame the member institutions that comprise and fund the NCAA.

That leads me to this whole Division 4 concept - which really is the dumbest name ever invented. I am all for a complete reform of college athletics and I'm not even necessarily against a schism of some sort between the bigger schools and the smaller schools. Personally, I think the American and Mountain West, along with Notre Dame, Brigham Young and the military academies each belong in that group with the Power 5 leagues as well, but that is a debate for a different day.

I am even okay with a living wage stipend of some sort that is reflective of being a student-athlete in 2013. However that money must, by US law (Title IX - 1972), go to all student-athletes not just the ones who play the most profile sports.

The idea I like most is a system whereby players collect a living wage stipend throughout their collegiate careers as long as they are eligible. Then, I would have some sort of incentive attached that paid them a big bonus if, and only if, they graduate from their respective institution of higher learning. I think that would get COLLEGE athletics back on track in its core mission (or what should be its core mission).

There are only a precious few spots available in pro football and pro basketball in a given year and an extremely small percentage of even the best athletes make the pros. A much smaller percentage of that group lasts in the pros for long enough to set themselves up for life.

It would be - and has been - absolutely criminal for alleged institutions of higher learning to continually ignore that fact while selling about 99.9 percent of these kids on a pipe dream and not giving them to tools to succeed that they are going to need down the road.

With that in mind, what I am absolutely NOT for is a deregulation of the sport which would allow the cheating to become more open and transparent (read: rampant). That would be no less exploitative of the student-athletes than the current system and would be akin to a prostitution ring taking its operation from the streets to a hotel and then claiming legitimacy.

No, it is not.

Instead I am for a more clearly defined, less archaic set of rules that clearly differentiates college football and basketball from pro football and basketball.

If kids want to have some walking around money, give it to them. If coaches want to bury potential recruits with a barrage of social messaging platforms, let them do it to their heart's content. However, and this is a biggie - and a deal breaker for me - if you are given all of those freedoms and the process has been streamlined just like you asked for, with great freedom comes great responsibility.

Tie academic performance to the stipend. Make schools literally put their money where their mouths are. Also, if you have all of those things and you still insist on cheating - and an independent body (with subpoena power) finds that you have cheated - the penalties need to be MUCH more well defined and much more transparent than they are now.

Things like coaching suspensions, major fines to the universities involved, no TV, no bowls, AD suspensions, etc. Also, sign an agreement with the NFL whereby a player or coach suspended for cheating is also forced to sit at the next level for some specified period of time. Finally, be consistent in your punishment. What's a two year TV ban for Temple is also a two year TV ban for Auburn, no ifs, ands or buts.

Enough of this dilly dallying. Let's get serious about things. Let's give these thieves all of the freedoms they say they need. However, if we give them everything they have been begging for and they still cheat - and rest assured, they will - throw the damn book at them. Let's tie conference payout and other things to ethics both inside and outside the classroom.

If things go the other way (as I suspect they might) and this just becomes AAA football, then count me out as a fan. If it's just pro football anyway, I'd rather watch the big boy version of the sport that is played on Sundays.
08-28-2013 04:11 PM
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NCAA is more corrupt than those they seek to judge.
08-28-2013 04:21 PM
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RE: breaking news- Manzel Suspended
NCAA: giving the term "a slap on the wrist" a whole new meaning

NCAA: where suspending a heisman player half a game is an improvement over their last controversial heisman winner's eligibility

NCAA: caving in to big name schools and TV networks since 1906
08-28-2013 04:36 PM
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(08-28-2013 04:01 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I just don't get the point of the suspension at all. Either you can prove he took money or you couldn't and if you can't don't suspend him at all. This just makes the NCAA look like even more of a joke than if they had done nothing.

Players have an obligation to prevent their likeness being used for profit if they are able. By signing a huge pile of autographs that he surely knew would be sold, Johnny violated that rule, even if he didn't get paid.
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(08-28-2013 04:21 PM)RedEyeCougar Wrote:  NCAA is more corrupt than those they seek to judge.

I'd say "tainted" or "compromised". It's not that NCAA employees are personally enriched when they let Johnny Autograph off the hook, it's that the NCAA's funding, and perhaps continued existence, is dependent on not annoying the Big Boys too much.
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Great post Dr. Yinzer.
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(08-28-2013 02:52 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  NCAA brings the hammer

Stoney Brook is going to get whacked for this. 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao COGS COGS
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My interpretation of what this crazy situation pertains to is that the NCAA was pretty sure there was some serious wrongdoing here but they had no proof to go on. They could have extended the investigation and continued digging but I am pretty sure the NCAA was in a very sticky situation with this. In the end A&M offers up a gesture that basically allows the NCAA to sneak away from this. They could have stonewalled the NCAA very likely but who knows what would happen if this drug out further into the season. We could have a huge season for Texas A&M nullified due to an ineligible player, found after the fact, playing in this season's contests. This had to be settled.

Thus you get a crazy stupid settlement like this.

As far as McMurphy saying this closes the book, it pretty much does but the NCAA did get to leave themselves the opening that if further evidences shows up on this case then they can take this up again. Will they do that? Hell no they wont.
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(08-28-2013 05:02 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Great post Dr. Yinzer.

Agreed, 100%.
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(08-28-2013 02:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  it actually sets up for an interesting situation...

If A&M is up 42-0 at halftime, how much does he even play in the 2nd half?

Might make for a bigger ESPN audience. Either people stay around in the second half of a blow-out game to see if Manziel plays, or they get an interesting first half that might be closely played, and a new team in the second half.
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(08-28-2013 07:00 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(08-28-2013 02:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  it actually sets up for an interesting situation...

If A&M is up 42-0 at halftime, how much does he even play in the 2nd half?

Might make for a bigger ESPN audience. Either people stay around in the second half of a blow-out game to see if Manziel plays, or they get an interesting first half that might be closely played, and a new team in the second half.

I am more interested in what happens if they play that freshman quarterback and he turns out to be all that he is advertised as.
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It's obvious the A&M Honer Code is now a relic of the past. Welcome to the club Aggies! Texas A&M has become just another university.
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Says the school coming off 2 years of probation

Having high standards you can't always meet is better than being a school like tech with no standards at all
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(08-28-2013 07:46 PM)FreshPrinceOfDarkness Wrote:  It's obvious the A&M Honer Code is now a relic of the past. Welcome to the club Aggies! Texas A&M has become just another university.

A&M is tied for 2nd most violations with Auburn and some others on the all-time list, right behind Arizona St. and SMU. Nothing new here except that this one isn't their fault. Now maybe they paid off the witnesses, but they didn't start this problem.
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(08-28-2013 04:21 PM)RedEyeCougar Wrote:  NCAA is more corrupt than those they seek to judge.

Who are you talking about when you say "The NCAA?" I ask that because they are ostensibly judging themselves and that is my point.
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Your own Cayleb Jones got all of a one game suspension for beating his GFs and breaking her jaw

But yes, THIS is truly the injustice...
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Mark Ennis ‏@Mengus22 9h
RT @MarkHasty: A&M: "Johnny Manziel didn't do anything wrong, and he better not do it again."
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Ridiculous. This whole punishment.

The stupid part is that TAMU needed clarity on this issue NOW. The NCAA could and has punished schools retroactively (stripped wins/titles/etc.) for playing "ineligible" players. Why? Why couldn't the NCAA have said there is an on-going investigation (which might take a few years, right Hurricane fans?) BUT TAMU is welcome to play their star until we can decide which course of action to take. Any future penalties will be levied against Manziel's future involvement in the sport...but TAMU won't be to blame.

Instead, they need to follow their own stupid precedent and thus make a weak and ignorant ruling...which will cause more embarrassment down the line (remember A.J. Green's jersey he sold? how are UGA fans not TICKED right now?) because they will want to break protocol when a lesser name than Manziel is involved.
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Exactly, this reeks of making an exception b/c of who is involved and how much money is at stake. Similar to the Ohio St-Arkansas bowl from a couple of years ago where the NCAA deferred Ohio St punishment till after the bowl when they players in question should have been banned from the bowl.

Will Texas A&M be punished if violations are found after this season, a la Memphis and Derrick Rose?? Memphis, like Texas A&M received official permission for the player in question to play, yet when violations were uncovered, the NCAA said nevermind he shouldn't have played.
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