(08-28-2013 01:42 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 01:37 PM)bearcat14 Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 11:08 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

With the depth that SEC teams have, you can watch Tenn. get annihilated this year....Bank it !!

Being objective that will have nothing to do with Butch Jones and everything to do with the horrendous roster Derek Dooley recruited to Tennessee over a 4 year period. It would take any coach in the country at least 3-4 years to begin to get Tennessee competitive again.

Sad thing is, no SEC team or fan base is willing to wait that long.

(08-28-2013 01:37 PM)bearcat14 Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 11:08 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Surprised to see the OR after Eric Lefeld's name. Guess that means Cory Keebler is looking good.

Not surprised one iota !!!
If you watched any of the game tapes closely last year ..He was abysmal in passpro
Had his arse handed to him by DE's from Temple..UCONN..and Del. St. To name just a few of those "Power schools"...The problem is/ was his weight..Way to light in the shorts..mostly beat by guys bull rushing him, but hey he was Butch's and Mahoneys darling..1st team big east..Gee guess who voted
Keebler was in Jones's dog house forever after he violated team policy, and played BB which resulted in a severe ankle injury. He was never going to play at UC after that as long as ***** Jones was here at UC.
See: S. Hooey who what a coincidence ? Also got thrown under the bus as well.
Whom BTW is still on the Rams roster as of the first round of cuts, and on the active 75.
Politics says you don't place a former 1st. Team all- conference guy on the second team just like that....You have to let it marinate a little.
Cureton is also going to get some looks....Tubbs wants SEC size lineman, who have quick feet...Not undersized lineman who are supposed to wear a defense down with up tempo no huddle offensive schemes..Yeah Butch how many times did we get to see that?.....With the depth that SEC teams have, you can watch Tenn. get annihilated this year....Bank it !!

(05-14-2013 08:28 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Well that makes great sense...he ran full contact in practice but they didn't think he was healthy enough to play and risk injury? With how idiotic Butch was at times, you never know.

Politics aside, Lefeld is a very capable offensive tackle. The "or" next to his name and Keebler's along with Longo and Cureton speak more to how much Cincinnati will rotate lineman in and out this season and how strong UC's starters/backups at OL truly are this year.

(08-28-2013 02:07 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 01:37 PM)bearcat14 Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 11:08 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Surprised to see the OR after Eric Lefeld's name. Guess that means Cory Keebler is looking good.

Not surprised one iota !!!
If you watched any of the game tapes closely last year ..He was abysmal in passpro
Had his arse handed to him by DE's from Temple..UCONN..and Del. St. To name just a few of those "Power schools"...The problem is/ was his weight..Way to light in the shorts..mostly beat by guys bull rushing him, but hey he was Butch's and Mahoneys darling..1st team big east..Gee guess who voted
Keebler was in Jones's dog house forever after he violated team policy, and played BB which resulted in a severe ankle injury. He was never going to play at UC after that as long as ***** Jones was here at UC.
See: S. Hooey who what a coincidence ? Also got thrown under the bus as well.
Whom BTW is still on the Rams roster as of the first round of cuts, and on the active 75.
Politics says you don't place a former 1st. Team all- conference guy on the second team just like that....You have to let it marinate a little.
Cureton is also going to get some looks....Tubbs wants SEC size lineman, who have quick feet...Not undersized lineman who are supposed to wear a defense down with up tempo no huddle offensive schemes..Yeah Butch how many times did we get to see that?.....With the depth that SEC teams have, you can watch Tenn. get annihilated this year....Bank it !!

(05-14-2013 08:28 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Well that makes great sense...he ran full contact in practice but they didn't think he was healthy enough to play and risk injury? With how idiotic Butch was at times, you never know.

Politics aside, Lefeld is a very capable offensive tackle. The "or" next to his name and Keebler's along with Longo and Cureton speak more to how much Cincinnati will rotate lineman in and out this season and how strong UC's starters/backups at OL truly are this year.

Chris I have a ton of respect for you, but I have been pretty close to the situation over the past 6 years, and the evaluation has been wide spread from Quinn..Mahoney..hillier..The only caveat I may place is that only Mahoney had his line up dictated to him.
Lefeld is solid, but he was not ever better than Hooey, and he doesn't have the size/strength/ power that Keebler has..only more experience.

No I hear ya. I don't doubt that Keebler is a physical beast but I'm just saying that Lefeld is a solid offensive tackle. He did a pretty decent job last season at a critical spot on the line. Whether Keebler was roadblocked by the coaching staff doesn't take away from the kind of talent Lefeld is.

Lefeld gave up one sack while starting every game last season. I'm going to go ahead and say he's alright in pass pro.

It is all to the eye of the beholder, but Hooey should have been at least a second day pick based on what he has done so far....The tape from games played last year tells the ultimate truth that Lefeld is to vulnerable to the speed/ bull rush.
The SID at UC puts statistics into the data base that the coach approves.
Just another factoid most fans don't even have a clue about!
I'll lay down the spear when I see Hiller solidify his starting five...
Til then it's all Butch Jones smoke & Mirrors.
Last year at this time I saw every scouting agency placing Sean Hooey as a top 20 OT.
He didn't see squat for playing time despite coming back 100% with 6 critical games left in the season. That's not even mentioning the QB debacle?
So the fact that we are seeing this activity tells me the current staff is of the similar opinion.
You don't ever even think about replacing a first team all- conference player if he warrants the accolade....And back-up/ third string players don't miraculously get that much better in the span of 6 months; especially with a coaching change ?

I don't quite understand, seeing as how Ehinger took Hooey's spot in the starting line...not Lefeld. I'm not saying Hooey deserved to sit, seeing as how he was the only solid player on the line in 2011. I just don't see how this is a Hooey vs. Lefeld argument whatsoever. Are you related to Sean or something?

No, just using that as an example in explaining how we were given the reasons, and or justifications as to the dichotomy of how this (either or ) crap suddenly appears with one week to go when all along we hear we have one of the best Oline's in the league and people like Keebler & Cureton are risen from the obscure.
The Hooey situation as it turns out just placates the whole thing and represents the smoking gun....in this case the difference in evaluation of the players as it pertains to 2 different coaching staffs....FWIW , I thought Parker got thrown in there way to soon.
He looked so lost in the first 5 games he was doing pirouettes off the snap not knowing where to go ,and or who his man/assignment was ?
Albeit, with the playing time he did get it going, and his improvement was apparent by the end of the season...BTW, he does meet the criteria of what this new staff is looking for in size/power/ etc.
If you go over to Bearcatnation's Pre-draft review their was a write up and video along with Chris Bains write up on Hooey....check out the video, but watch Lefeld...what Iam talking about....gets thrown around like a rag doll...my point to seeing Keebler / Cureton being resurrected by Hiller/ Tuberville.

(08-28-2013 01:47 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 01:42 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 01:37 PM)bearcat14 Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 11:08 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

With the depth that SEC teams have, you can watch Tenn. get annihilated this year....Bank it !!

Being objective that will have nothing to do with Butch Jones and everything to do with the horrendous roster Derek Dooley recruited to Tennessee over a 4 year period. It would take any coach in the country at least 3-4 years to begin to get Tennessee competitive again.

Sad thing is, no SEC team or fan base is willing to wait that long.

I think it depends on how well he recruits. If they see he's bringing in the talent necessary to compete down the road they'll give him the time he needs. With Derek Dooley there was no reason to keep the guy after 3 years because his recruiting was horrible and each year the talent on the roster was becoming less and less.

(08-29-2013 06:14 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 01:47 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 01:42 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(08-28-2013 01:37 PM)bearcat14 Wrote:  

(08-27-2013 11:08 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

With the depth that SEC teams have, you can watch Tenn. get annihilated this year....Bank it !!

Being objective that will have nothing to do with Butch Jones and everything to do with the horrendous roster Derek Dooley recruited to Tennessee over a 4 year period. It would take any coach in the country at least 3-4 years to begin to get Tennessee competitive again.

Sad thing is, no SEC team or fan base is willing to wait that long.

I think it depends on how well he recruits. If they see he's bringing in the talent necessary to compete down the road they'll give him the time he needs. With Derek Dooley there was no reason to keep the guy after 3 years because his recruiting was horrible and each year the talent on the roster was becoming less and less.

True...and Jones has really been hitting home run after home run on the recruiting trail this year.