(08-20-2013 08:05 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  Ya, I wasn't agreeing with YesMan, just giving you the facts. Yes, Harnish didn't start the first game, DeMarcus Grady did. He was awful, he was our 3rd string QB.

I wonder if NIU would've beaten Iowa State then? Any reason why Grady started that game? I'm pretty sure I remember Harnish being the starter in 2009....maybe even in 2008.

Harnish was coming off a knee injury and Kill didn't feel he was ready to go. Also, Lynch was a redshirt freshman so it was a tough spot. I think if Harnish plays its a completely different game, still tough to say they'd win you know.

(08-20-2013 08:17 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  Harnish was coming off a knee injury and Kill didn't feel he was ready to go. Also, Lynch was a redshirt freshman so it was a tough spot. I think if Harnish plays its a completely different game, still tough to say they'd win you know.

That is not how Harnish re-tells the story, according to him it was a benching.

Interesting, I was misinformed if that was the case then.

(08-20-2013 09:17 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  Interesting, I was misinformed if that was the case then.

Do not believe anything Maddawg posts. Harnish's "benching' was all about the coaches
' and his perception of his physical readiness.

(08-20-2013 09:37 PM)sarasotahuskie Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 09:17 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  Interesting, I was misinformed if that was the case then.

Do not believe anything Maddawg posts. Harnish's "benching' was all about the coaches
' and his perception of his physical readiness.

Should you believe Harnish? Because that's where MD got his info, in an article, with quotes from Harnish.

He said he got no reps in fall camp and was told the North Dakota game was his one shot and if he didn't perform they were going to bench him again.

His words, not mine.

(08-20-2013 09:44 PM)7 Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 09:37 PM)sarasotahuskie Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 09:17 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  Interesting, I was misinformed if that was the case then.

Do not believe anything Maddawg posts. Harnish's "benching' was all about the coaches
' and his perception of his physical readiness.

Should you believe Harnish? Because that's where MD got his info, in an article, with quotes from Harnish.

He said he got no reps in fall camp and was told the North Dakota game was his one shot and if he didn't perform they were going to bench him again.

His words, not mine.

It wasn't a benching! Just got off a surgery and some doctor's were even saying he may not play that year! It was a tough call but not going to lie that Iowa St team was fully ready for Game 1 and suffered a lot of injuries and ended that year horribly.

2010 team should of beat Illinois (harnish fumble towards end was a huge hit)

Miami(OH) that was a fluke (cant argue a loss is a loss)

Iowa St was the first game and anything happens in the first game of the year

A loss is a loss but the record really could of been better.

I say 2010 team with the same schedule of last NIU team would of been identical

Every team from 2010 -Present NIU could of beat 2009 CMU at Home and it could of been different results if played at CMU

Who knows but it wont happen

(08-20-2013 07:57 PM)george14 Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 07:31 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  They hammered every team in conference play. I won't make excuses for what happened in the MACC but they were a better team than Miami, some fluky stuff happened in that game. There closest game was against WMU on the road they won by 7. Here is how they faired in conference.

50-14 at Akron
31-17 at home vs Temple
45-14 against Buffalo at home
33-7 at home vs CMU
28-21 at WMU
65-30 against Toledo
59-21 at Ball
71-3 at EMU

Losses to Iowa St, bowl bound Illinois and Miami.
Smoked Fresno in the bowl

They did have a pretty impressive season, but my point was they didn't even win the MAC. I know it hurts to rub that in because NIU was the better team. Miami was not good that year. I don't care what their record was, they won so many close games and would've been hammered by over half of FBS.

NIU was definitely a good team, I think there can be an argument between 2010 and 2011 NIU, but I think CMU prevails over both. Like I said, would be very close with the 2012 squad.

Also, this goes against my argument, but I remember something along the lines of Harnish not being the starter in 2010? Wasn't it a basketball player who started the first few games for NIU?

There are some of us that watched that Miami game that think coach Kill didn't have the team prepared, as he was busy preparing for his next job which he'd already taken. IDK but that would explain the curious playcalling and lack of running the offense the way they did the rest of the year. We dominated almost every other game, including the bowl game. That group was as good as the 2012 team IMO. And possibly better than 2009 CMU but who knows.

nm

Here's a whole thread we had on this subject earlier this year:

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=618294

In a 10 game sample, CMU 2009 won 8 of 10 against the 2012 Huskies.

I don't remember enough about the defense of the CMU team that year, but Huskie offense totals looked mighty small. Have a hard time believing their D was that good. Average score was 21.9 to 13.9.

(08-21-2013 09:31 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  In a 10 game sample, CMU 2009 won 8 of 10 against the 2012 Huskies.

I don't remember enough about the defense of the CMU team that year, but Huskie offense totals looked mighty small. Have a hard time believing their D was that good. Average score was 21.9 to 13.9.

I think the MAC was worse that year.

(08-21-2013 09:31 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  In a 10 game sample, CMU 2009 won 8 of 10 against the 2012 Huskies.

I don't remember enough about the defense of the CMU team that year, but Huskie offense totals looked mighty small. Have a hard time believing their D was that good. Average score was 21.9 to 13.9.

Bellore, Berning, Agnew, Gordy, Zombo, and Addae were all on that defense and in the NFL now.

(08-20-2013 09:57 PM)yesman815 Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 09:44 PM)7 Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 09:37 PM)sarasotahuskie Wrote:  

(08-20-2013 09:17 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  Interesting, I was misinformed if that was the case then.

Do not believe anything Maddawg posts. Harnish's "benching' was all about the coaches
' and his perception of his physical readiness.

Should you believe Harnish? Because that's where MD got his info, in an article, with quotes from Harnish.

He said he got no reps in fall camp and was told the North Dakota game was his one shot and if he didn't perform they were going to bench him again.

His words, not mine.

It wasn't a benching! Just got off a surgery and some doctor's were even saying he may not play that year! It was a tough call but not going to lie that Iowa St team was fully ready for Game 1 and suffered a lot of injuries and ended that year horribly.

2010 team should of beat Illinois (harnish fumble towards end was a huge hit)

Miami(OH) that was a fluke (cant argue a loss is a loss)

Iowa St was the first game and anything happens in the first game of the year

A loss is a loss but the record really could of been better.

I say 2010 team with the same schedule of last NIU team would of been identical

Every team from 2010 -Present NIU could of beat 2009 CMU at Home and it could of been different results if played at CMU

Who knows but it wont happen

I thought a non-surgery was the issue. NIU wanted him to have surgery, he got an outside second opinion and elected to rehab without. They were upset with him for not having the surgery and felt certain that he could not be ready without it and moved away from him.