Texas really isn't 100% Southern, but it's an amazing mix of cultures, climate, and geography.

We could have a blizzard in Amarillo and over 90 degrees in Brownsville on the same day. And did you know that Texarkana, Texas is closer to Chicago (794 miles) than it is to El Paso, Texas (813 miles)?

(08-22-2013 02:16 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 02:09 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 02:04 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 01:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Oklahoma is not the south. When most people refer to the south, they're referring to the southeast.

The and southeast comprise the greater south. Oklahoma is culturally and geographically part of that region.

I think we are all aware of the problem many southerners have in thinking anything north or west of them is not southern. Oklahoma was a confederate controlled territory, all five civilized tribes were part of the confederacy, the confederate flag still flies over the state and most of Oklahoma's settlement prior and during the runs came from other southern states.

You personally don't have to include it, but saying the culture in Oklahoma isn't southern is being naive.

That second point is a good one. I've been all over the south and there's a competition for who's more south than everyone else. It's still hard to think of Maryland as the south.

I agree and I will say this. The south ends in Oklahoma. Once you get west of I 35 and north of I 40 it starts to taper off. I will also say that the population also tapers off.

A great way to determine where the cultural south ends and begins is to look at two major factors

Dialect and religious affiliation.

welp, there you go. this is information i love. i know many people from texas, but you're the first from oklahoma. thanks for putting me in my place. on an aside, i've always been fond of the newer okie license plates (the native america ones). i'm a collector myself. got me a commercial rig plate from '67. if ya send one my way i promise to make you a southern fried mix cd in return.

(08-23-2013 01:11 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 02:16 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 02:09 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 02:04 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 01:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Oklahoma is not the south. When most people refer to the south, they're referring to the southeast.

The and southeast comprise the greater south. Oklahoma is culturally and geographically part of that region.

I think we are all aware of the problem many southerners have in thinking anything north or west of them is not southern. Oklahoma was a confederate controlled territory, all five civilized tribes were part of the confederacy, the confederate flag still flies over the state and most of Oklahoma's settlement prior and during the runs came from other southern states.

You personally don't have to include it, but saying the culture in Oklahoma isn't southern is being naive.

That second point is a good one. I've been all over the south and there's a competition for who's more south than everyone else. It's still hard to think of Maryland as the south.

I agree and I will say this. The south ends in Oklahoma. Once you get west of I 35 and north of I 40 it starts to taper off. I will also say that the population also tapers off.

A great way to determine where the cultural south ends and begins is to look at two major factors

Dialect and religious affiliation.

welp, there you go. this is information i love. i know many people from texas, but you're the first from oklahoma. thanks for putting me in my place. on an aside, i've always been fond of the newer okie license plates (the native america ones). i'm a collector myself. got me a commercial rig plate from '67. if ya send one my way i promise to make you a southern fried mix cd in return.

Those plates are still pretty new and it's not time for me upgrade. However, I have an older one you can have. I don't plan on going anywhere, so when it is time to get a new plate, you can definitely have the Native America one.

Or, I am thinking about getting this specialty plate

and you can have my old one. I knew another guy who collects plates.

(08-22-2013 02:16 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 02:09 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 02:04 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 01:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Oklahoma is not the south. When most people refer to the south, they're referring to the southeast.

The and southeast comprise the greater south. Oklahoma is culturally and geographically part of that region.

I think we are all aware of the problem many southerners have in thinking anything north or west of them is not southern. Oklahoma was a confederate controlled territory, all five civilized tribes were part of the confederacy, the confederate flag still flies over the state and most of Oklahoma's settlement prior and during the runs came from other southern states.

You personally don't have to include it, but saying the culture in Oklahoma isn't southern is being naive.

That second point is a good one. I've been all over the south and there's a competition for who's more south than everyone else. It's still hard to think of Maryland as the south.

I agree and I will say this. The south ends in Oklahoma. Once you get west of I 35 and north of I 40 it starts to taper off. I will also say that the population also tapers off.

A great way to determine where the cultural south ends and begins is to look at two major factors

Dialect and religious affiliation.

You live in Oklahoma - so you know better, but whenever I think of Oklahoma I think of Oil Wells, Cattle and Cattle Drives, Cowboys and Plains Indians......and those don't really conjure images of the "traditional South". I almost see Oklahoma as more the southern end of the great plains.

Now, I'm sure the majority of Oklahomans feel more of a kinship with the South for reasons you have listed.

(08-28-2013 10:23 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 02:16 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 02:09 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 02:04 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-22-2013 01:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Oklahoma is not the south. When most people refer to the south, they're referring to the southeast.

The and southeast comprise the greater south. Oklahoma is culturally and geographically part of that region.

I think we are all aware of the problem many southerners have in thinking anything north or west of them is not southern. Oklahoma was a confederate controlled territory, all five civilized tribes were part of the confederacy, the confederate flag still flies over the state and most of Oklahoma's settlement prior and during the runs came from other southern states.

You personally don't have to include it, but saying the culture in Oklahoma isn't southern is being naive.

That second point is a good one. I've been all over the south and there's a competition for who's more south than everyone else. It's still hard to think of Maryland as the south.

I agree and I will say this. The south ends in Oklahoma. Once you get west of I 35 and north of I 40 it starts to taper off. I will also say that the population also tapers off.

A great way to determine where the cultural south ends and begins is to look at two major factors

Dialect and religious affiliation.

You live in Oklahoma - so you know better, but whenever I think of Oklahoma I think of Oil Wells, Cattle and Cattle Drives, Cowboys and Plains Indians......and those don't really conjure images of the "traditional South". I almost see Oklahoma as more the southern end of the great plains.

Now, I'm sure the majority of Oklahomans feel more of a kinship with the South for reasons you have listed.

Oklahoma, with its rich, fertile soil and undeveloped resources, was attractive to Southerners ruined by War and Reconstruction. They came in droves, hoping to better their lot. Many of them were Confederate veterans. Most of the towns in Indian Territory, was populated nearly exclusively by people from the Old South states, and today the southeast quadrant of the state is still known as Little Dixie.

The Great Plains

Florida. Everybody loves it.

I voted for Florida because of the great beaches and warmer weather in the winter.
Destin or Lauderdale, all of it is nice.