A few fans here not withstanding I have a great deal of respect for VT. I'd gladly watch and root for VT like I do in every game they aren't playing ECU.

(08-14-2013 09:06 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 06:54 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:44 PM)Otacon Wrote:  I'll watch that game. I like what the eastern teams are doing with their schedules.

I've heard rumors a lot of these games will never even be played. They are just PR moves by ADs. At least thats what I heard about the WVU/VT series from someone fairly reliable

That sounds too good to be true.

Weaver doesn't sign contracts to back out on them. Though we have had a ton of BCS schools back out on us. Weaver and Beamer will be gone in a few years too so who knows.

It's not really backing out when both ADs are giving each other a wink while signing the contract. It's just good PR for both schools.

(08-15-2013 08:15 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 09:06 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 06:54 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:44 PM)Otacon Wrote:  I'll watch that game. I like what the eastern teams are doing with their schedules.

I've heard rumors a lot of these games will never even be played. They are just PR moves by ADs. At least thats what I heard about the WVU/VT series from someone fairly reliable

That sounds too good to be true.

Weaver doesn't sign contracts to back out on them. Though we have had a ton of BCS schools back out on us. Weaver and Beamer will be gone in a few years too so who knows.

It's not really backing out when both ADs are giving each other a wink while signing the contract. It's just good PR for both schools.

So are you trying to say that you think Virginia Tech may end up joining the Big Ten?

(08-15-2013 10:02 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 08:15 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 09:06 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 06:54 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:44 PM)Otacon Wrote:  I'll watch that game. I like what the eastern teams are doing with their schedules.

I've heard rumors a lot of these games will never even be played. They are just PR moves by ADs. At least thats what I heard about the WVU/VT series from someone fairly reliable

That sounds too good to be true.

Weaver doesn't sign contracts to back out on them. Though we have had a ton of BCS schools back out on us. Weaver and Beamer will be gone in a few years too so who knows.

It's not really backing out when both ADs are giving each other a wink while signing the contract. It's just good PR for both schools.

So are you trying to say that you think Virginia Tech may end up joining the Big Ten?

VT would be a solid addition to B1G.

Gives the B1G the land grant school of Virginia.

(08-15-2013 10:05 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:02 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 08:15 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 09:06 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 06:54 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  I've heard rumors a lot of these games will never even be played. They are just PR moves by ADs. At least thats what I heard about the WVU/VT series from someone fairly reliable

That sounds too good to be true.

Weaver doesn't sign contracts to back out on them. Though we have had a ton of BCS schools back out on us. Weaver and Beamer will be gone in a few years too so who knows.

It's not really backing out when both ADs are giving each other a wink while signing the contract. It's just good PR for both schools.

So are you trying to say that you think Virginia Tech may end up joining the Big Ten?

VT would be a solid addition to B1G.

Gives the B1G the land grant school of Virginia.

Perhaps. I guarantee though that the Presidents would like Virginia more.

Mainly though I was just curious if more people are starting to grasp onto this idea due to all the Big Ten match ups VT is scheduling in the future.

(08-15-2013 10:35 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:05 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:02 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 08:15 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 09:06 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  That sounds too good to be true.

Weaver doesn't sign contracts to back out on them. Though we have had a ton of BCS schools back out on us. Weaver and Beamer will be gone in a few years too so who knows.

It's not really backing out when both ADs are giving each other a wink while signing the contract. It's just good PR for both schools.

So are you trying to say that you think Virginia Tech may end up joining the Big Ten?

VT would be a solid addition to B1G.

Gives the B1G the land grant school of Virginia.

Perhaps. I guarantee though that the Presidents would like Virginia more.

Mainly though I was just curious if more people are starting to grasp onto this idea due to all the Big Ten match ups VT is scheduling in the future.

In an interview Weaver said these series are in response to the ACC staying at 8 conference games. Weaver was pushing for up to 10. So we'll have the Wisconsin replacement (A&M is rumored) and a neutral site game announced next.

(08-15-2013 10:38 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:35 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:05 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:02 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 08:15 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  It's not really backing out when both ADs are giving each other a wink while signing the contract. It's just good PR for both schools.

So are you trying to say that you think Virginia Tech may end up joining the Big Ten?

VT would be a solid addition to B1G.

Gives the B1G the land grant school of Virginia.

Perhaps. I guarantee though that the Presidents would like Virginia more.

Mainly though I was just curious if more people are starting to grasp onto this idea due to all the Big Ten match ups VT is scheduling in the future.

In an interview Weaver said these series are in response to the ACC staying at 8 conference games. Weaver was pushing for up to 10. So we'll have the Wisconsin replacement (A&M is rumored) and a neutral site game announced next.

Yes, I see these moves as being very practical. You guys really got shut out of some big name matchups that you would normally have had with some of the ACC southern power teams.

People will gripe forever about whether or not schools like Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin or even Ohio State should be looked at as strong opponents but if you look at the preseason polls right now all of those schools except Penn State are ranked.

This is an extremely shrewd and intelligent move made by Virginia Tech to counter being shut out of other matchups within their own conference.

(08-15-2013 03:59 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 11:52 PM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:31 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 04:38 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 04:28 PM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  I really wish an Eastern Conference came into fruition years ago...

Yes what could have been...

An Eastern Conference would have shared the same fate as the Big East. I fail to see how PSU would have been the glue to hold all these disparate universities together. There was always some other conference the football playing schools aspired (both athletically and academically) to be in.

Penn State has the largest alumni association in the country and before the Sandusky scandal hit in 2011, they were the third most profitable football program in the country.

I'm not disputing PSU credentials as a school, or that it isn'y capable of doing so like Texas. I just don't think that when better options came to fruition that PSU would desire to anchor a major conference.

For fun lets say JoePa creates the Eastern Conference back in the '80's. 10 years later, after the SEC goes to 12, do you think PSU and some other EC school would have turned down an invite to the B10?

Even if JoePa was against it, the School President would have accepted the invite w/o his knowledge. And if not the B10, the option of the ACC expanding with FSU, PSU and some other EC program would have certainly been just as enticing.

as a psu fan even i can admit that PSU's ego under joe pa was on par with texas. lets not forget that this is the same program that pissed off its 4 biggest rivals so bad that they all quit playing them for a while

(08-15-2013 03:59 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 11:52 PM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:31 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 04:38 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 04:28 PM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  I really wish an Eastern Conference came into fruition years ago...

Yes what could have been...

An Eastern Conference would have shared the same fate as the Big East. I fail to see how PSU would have been the glue to hold all these disparate universities together. There was always some other conference the football playing schools aspired (both athletically and academically) to be in.

Penn State has the largest alumni association in the country and before the Sandusky scandal hit in 2011, they were the third most profitable football program in the country.

I'm not disputing PSU credentials as a school, or that it isn'y capable of doing so like Texas. I just don't think that when better options came to fruition that PSU would desire to anchor a major conference.

For fun lets say JoePa creates the Eastern Conference back in the '80's. 10 years later, after the SEC goes to 12, do you think PSU and some other EC school would have turned down an invite to the B10?

Even if JoePa was against it, the School President would have accepted the invite w/o his knowledge. And if not the B10, the option of the ACC expanding with FSU, PSU and some other EC program would have certainly been just as enticing.

The only place you are inaccurate is thinking the PSU President would have never been able to do that without Paterno's consent. A classic example that has leaked publicly is when Paterno threw Spanier out of his home when he and some trustees went there to try to get him to step down in the early 2000s. Paterno wielded massive power at the school. No one dared cross him. What do you think got the school into the mess that it is in? His power only started to wane in his latter years when his faculties were diminishing and the rise of social media and internet journalism was undermining the program's control over information flow.

(08-15-2013 12:01 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 03:59 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 11:52 PM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:31 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 04:38 PM)brista21 Wrote:  Yes what could have been...

An Eastern Conference would have shared the same fate as the Big East. I fail to see how PSU would have been the glue to hold all these disparate universities together. There was always some other conference the football playing schools aspired (both athletically and academically) to be in.

Penn State has the largest alumni association in the country and before the Sandusky scandal hit in 2011, they were the third most profitable football program in the country.

I'm not disputing PSU credentials as a school, or that it isn'y capable of doing so like Texas. I just don't think that when better options came to fruition that PSU would desire to anchor a major conference.

For fun lets say JoePa creates the Eastern Conference back in the '80's. 10 years later, after the SEC goes to 12, do you think PSU and some other EC school would have turned down an invite to the B10?

Even if JoePa was against it, the School President would have accepted the invite w/o his knowledge. And if not the B10, the option of the ACC expanding with FSU, PSU and some other EC program would have certainly been just as enticing.

The only place you are inaccurate is thinking the PSU President would have never been able to do that without Paterno's consent. A classic example that has leaked publicly is when Paterno threw Spanier out of his home when he and some trustees went there to try to get him to step down in the early 2000s. Paterno wielded massive power at the school. No one dared cross him. What do you think got the school into the mess that it is in? His power only started to wane in his latter years when his faculties were diminishing and the rise of social media and internet journalism was undermining the program's control over information flow.

Spanier wanted to build a softball stadium across from Beaver Stadium and Paterno staunchly opposed it. Guess where the softball stadium is today? Across from Beaver Stadium. People greatly overstated his power over the years.

(08-15-2013 12:13 PM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  Spanier wanted to build a softball stadium across from Beaver Stadium and Paterno staunchly opposed it. Guess where the softball stadium is today? Across from Beaver Stadium. People greatly overstated his power over the years.

God, if I hear this damn "softball stadium anecdote" thrown out there as proof about how Joe wasn't a dictator one more time, I'm going to kill myself.

Paterno was a dictator right up until the very end. Obvious to anyone who doesn't have "St. Joe Paterno goggles" on and is viewing things with their eyes open. More proof for this POV is shortly to come, the widely-publicized John Bacon book that will hit the bookshelves in early September. (a few excerpts were published just today in the WSJ).

(08-16-2013 04:11 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 12:13 PM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  Spanier wanted to build a softball stadium across from Beaver Stadium and Paterno staunchly opposed it. Guess where the softball stadium is today? Across from Beaver Stadium. People greatly overstated his power over the years.

God, if I hear this damn "softball stadium anecdote" thrown out there as proof about how Joe wasn't a dictator one more time, I'm going to kill myself.

Paterno was a dictator right up until the very end. Obvious to anyone who doesn't have "St. Joe Paterno goggles" on and is viewing things with their eyes open. More proof for this POV is shortly to come, the widely-publicized John Bacon book that will hit the bookshelves in early September. (a few excerpts were published just today in the WSJ).

Please, if he had such immense power that some people are making it out to be, he wouldn't have been fired in November 2011 with no facts or information (there still exists nothing that supports his firing). I'm not saying he had no power, but as much as you and other fans (mainly Pitt fans) are making it out to be.

(08-16-2013 04:29 PM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 04:11 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 12:13 PM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  Spanier wanted to build a softball stadium across from Beaver Stadium and Paterno staunchly opposed it. Guess where the softball stadium is today? Across from Beaver Stadium. People greatly overstated his power over the years.

God, if I hear this damn "softball stadium anecdote" thrown out there as proof about how Joe wasn't a dictator one more time, I'm going to kill myself.

Paterno was a dictator right up until the very end. Obvious to anyone who doesn't have "St. Joe Paterno goggles" on and is viewing things with their eyes open. More proof for this POV is shortly to come, the widely-publicized John Bacon book that will hit the bookshelves in early September. (a few excerpts were published just today in the WSJ).

Please, if he had such immense power that some people are making it out to be, he wouldn't have been fired in November 2011 with no facts or information (there still exists nothing that supports his firing). I'm not saying he had no power, but as much as you and other fans (mainly Pitt fans) are making it out to be.

Joe's firing on November 9, 2011 was necessary simply for the best short-term interests of Penn State University. Not a chance PSU could afford the PR-hit of Paterno coaching against Nebraska. Would have been a disaster of epic proportions.

But beyond simply that, Joe deserved to be fired simply for his incredibly outrageous statement that same morning, when he said "the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status."

Nothing like firing cannonballs over the top of your superiors' heads! Rank insubordination!

Statements like that are fairly strong evidence that even in November 2011, Joe thought his opinion, and his alone, was the only thing that mattered in State College.

I agree JoePa's power is overstated. He had power to be sure. When you have legends as coach's there are somethings you can't do very easily if at all (firing being one of them). That power was limited though more to his position than anything else though. If the Penn State president and board of trustees had wanted in the Big Ten, it would have happened. Remember several Big Ten ADs were furious that the presidents invited Penn State (without even consulting them), but that made next to no difference.

(08-16-2013 04:49 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I agree JoePa's power is overstated. He had power to be sure. When you have legends as coach's there are somethings you can't do very easily if at all (firing being one of them). That power was limited though more to his position than anything else though. If the Penn State president and board of trustees had wanted in the Big Ten, it would have happened. Remember several Big Ten ADs were furious that the presidents invited Penn State (without even consulting them), but that made next to no difference.

Yup. Bryce Jordan and Big Ten presidents made that move happen, not Joe, Bo, or Bobby.