Anyway, my real answer to the question is NEBRASKA. I think Martinez will have a monster year and they get a lot of breaks in their schedule. They are a big win or 2 away from the B10CG.

(08-14-2013 08:51 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:52 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:35 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 05:28 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 04:28 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Cincy is going to be great this year....this shouldn't be a surprise since we have won 10 games in what 4 of the past five years but somehow each year that is forgotten. So in that light, I'm going with Cincy.

I really think Tubs is a terrible fit for you guys. That honeymoon will be over by mid season

your opinion noted....I assume if that's not the case you will have the sac to come over to the UC board and fess up

He was getting ready to be fired at TT. I assume TT has talent similar to UC's, why do you guys think hes going to be good? He will be a major downgrade from Kelly and Butch. Notice how those two coaches are now at better jobs yet Tubs downgraded to a G5 school... I really don't have anything against UC but you guys were sold a donkey and told it was a Derby winning thoroughbred.

Jones wasn't all that. We had a shot at 12-0 last year if he started the right QB, but Kay wasn't his recruit. He inherited a 12-1 UC team and went 4-8 the next year. Are you aware that Tech is a dump of a city, that Tubs wife is from Greater Cincy and her family lives here?

You say Jones isn't all that but Tubs is? Look at TTs coaching record the last few years, it's far from impressive.

Never been to Lubbock so I can't comment.

Not really sure what TT's wife has to do with his coaching ability. If your previous employer hates you I guess you might as well try to make your wife happy while you are job hunting.

(08-15-2013 08:24 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 08:51 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:52 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:35 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 05:28 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  I really think Tubs is a terrible fit for you guys. That honeymoon will be over by mid season

your opinion noted....I assume if that's not the case you will have the sac to come over to the UC board and fess up

He was getting ready to be fired at TT. I assume TT has talent similar to UC's, why do you guys think hes going to be good? He will be a major downgrade from Kelly and Butch. Notice how those two coaches are now at better jobs yet Tubs downgraded to a G5 school... I really don't have anything against UC but you guys were sold a donkey and told it was a Derby winning thoroughbred.

Jones wasn't all that. We had a shot at 12-0 last year if he started the right QB, but Kay wasn't his recruit. He inherited a 12-1 UC team and went 4-8 the next year. Are you aware that Tech is a dump of a city, that Tubs wife is from Greater Cincy and her family lives here?

You say Jones isn't all that but Tubs is? Look at TTs coaching record the last few years, it's far from impressive.

Never been to Lubbock so I can't comment.

Not really sure what TT's wife has to do with his coaching ability. If your previous employer hates you I guess you might as well try to make your wife happy while you are job hunting.

Right, and if your coach leaves you might as well pretend you were going to fire him.

ETA: it's actually pretty funny that UC is on both sides of this game right now. Everyone suddenly always hated Butch Jones and he was garbage here just like they are saying at TTech.

(08-15-2013 09:17 AM)uccheese Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 08:24 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 08:51 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:52 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:35 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  your opinion noted....I assume if that's not the case you will have the sac to come over to the UC board and fess up

He was getting ready to be fired at TT. I assume TT has talent similar to UC's, why do you guys think hes going to be good? He will be a major downgrade from Kelly and Butch. Notice how those two coaches are now at better jobs yet Tubs downgraded to a G5 school... I really don't have anything against UC but you guys were sold a donkey and told it was a Derby winning thoroughbred.

Jones wasn't all that. We had a shot at 12-0 last year if he started the right QB, but Kay wasn't his recruit. He inherited a 12-1 UC team and went 4-8 the next year. Are you aware that Tech is a dump of a city, that Tubs wife is from Greater Cincy and her family lives here?

You say Jones isn't all that but Tubs is? Look at TTs coaching record the last few years, it's far from impressive.

Never been to Lubbock so I can't comment.

Not really sure what TT's wife has to do with his coaching ability. If your previous employer hates you I guess you might as well try to make your wife happy while you are job hunting.

Right, and if your coach leaves you might as well pretend you were going to fire him.

ETA: it's actually pretty funny that UC is on both sides of this game right now. Everyone suddenly always hated Butch Jones and he was garbage here just like they are saying at TTech.

It is funny. "Hey, let's kill Butch Jones for going 4-8 his first year and ignore that he won 20 games and shared two conference titles his last two years."

(08-15-2013 08:24 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 08:51 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:52 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:35 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 05:28 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  I really think Tubs is a terrible fit for you guys. That honeymoon will be over by mid season

your opinion noted....I assume if that's not the case you will have the sac to come over to the UC board and fess up

He was getting ready to be fired at TT. I assume TT has talent similar to UC's, why do you guys think hes going to be good? He will be a major downgrade from Kelly and Butch. Notice how those two coaches are now at better jobs yet Tubs downgraded to a G5 school... I really don't have anything against UC but you guys were sold a donkey and told it was a Derby winning thoroughbred.

Jones wasn't all that. We had a shot at 12-0 last year if he started the right QB, but Kay wasn't his recruit. He inherited a 12-1 UC team and went 4-8 the next year. Are you aware that Tech is a dump of a city, that Tubs wife is from Greater Cincy and her family lives here?

You say Jones isn't all that but Tubs is? Look at TTs coaching record the last few years, it's far from impressive.

Never been to Lubbock so I can't comment.

Not really sure what TT's wife has to do with his coaching ability. If your previous employer hates you I guess you might as well try to make your wife happy while you are job hunting.

How soon until you start hating on Dana? Thanks for ruining the thread.
Loved Dana's ability to coach the guys up in that blow out loss to Cuse
in the Pinstripe.

(08-15-2013 09:24 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 09:17 AM)uccheese Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 08:24 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 08:51 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:52 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  He was getting ready to be fired at TT. I assume TT has talent similar to UC's, why do you guys think hes going to be good? He will be a major downgrade from Kelly and Butch. Notice how those two coaches are now at better jobs yet Tubs downgraded to a G5 school... I really don't have anything against UC but you guys were sold a donkey and told it was a Derby winning thoroughbred.

Jones wasn't all that. We had a shot at 12-0 last year if he started the right QB, but Kay wasn't his recruit. He inherited a 12-1 UC team and went 4-8 the next year. Are you aware that Tech is a dump of a city, that Tubs wife is from Greater Cincy and her family lives here?

You say Jones isn't all that but Tubs is? Look at TTs coaching record the last few years, it's far from impressive.

Never been to Lubbock so I can't comment.

Not really sure what TT's wife has to do with his coaching ability. If your previous employer hates you I guess you might as well try to make your wife happy while you are job hunting.

Right, and if your coach leaves you might as well pretend you were going to fire him.

ETA: it's actually pretty funny that UC is on both sides of this game right now. Everyone suddenly always hated Butch Jones and he was garbage here just like they are saying at TTech.

It is funny. "Hey, let's kill Butch Jones for going 4-8 his first year and ignore that he won 20 games and shared two conference titles his last two years."

I thought Butch Jones did a good job in following Brian Kelly first to Central Michigan and then to Cincinnati.

I think that he will do just fine for the Volunteers.

(08-14-2013 11:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 08:54 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I'm going with Southern California in the national championship game.

Well, if (1) they get QB play that doesn't suck, and (2) Kiffin's coaching costs them no more than 2 games they could have won, then they can win the south division. But I think the BCS title game is not within their reach.

Be honest, when is the last time USC had a QB that was not good in college (all three of the guys they have were top recruits literally) and I could look like a star passing to their WR's and TE's. They are loaded with All American talent. If they can get a working offensive line I don't see anyone in the Pac-12 stopping them. Not to mention Silas Redd is easily a 1000 yard rusher this year.

No one else in the Pac-12 really impresses me because I personally think UCLA overachieved last year and Oregon wont be as good without Kelly.

I think the Tennessee volunteeers will be improved...I predict 4th place in the SEC east and a nice bowl game.

(08-15-2013 11:01 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 11:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 08:54 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I'm going with Southern California in the national championship game.

Well, if (1) they get QB play that doesn't suck, and (2) Kiffin's coaching costs them no more than 2 games they could have won, then they can win the south division. But I think the BCS title game is not within their reach.

Be honest, when is the last time USC had a QB that was not good in college (all three of the guys they have were top recruits literally) and I could look like a star passing to their WR's and TE's. They are loaded with All American talent. If they can get a working offensive line I don't see anyone in the Pac-12 stopping them. Not to mention Silas Redd is easily a 1000 yard rusher this year.

No one else in the Pac-12 really impresses me because I personally think UCLA overachieved last year and Oregon wont be as good without Kelly.

Southern Cal has 65 scholarship players this season.

While talented, as usual, depth may be a problem for them, especially if hit by any significant injuries.

(08-15-2013 11:01 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 11:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 08:54 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I'm going with Southern California in the national championship game.

Well, if (1) they get QB play that doesn't suck, and (2) Kiffin's coaching costs them no more than 2 games they could have won, then they can win the south division. But I think the BCS title game is not within their reach.

Be honest, when is the last time USC had a QB that was not good in college (all three of the guys they have were top recruits literally) and I could look like a star passing to their WR's and TE's. They are loaded with All American talent. If they can get a working offensive line I don't see anyone in the Pac-12 stopping them. Not to mention Silas Redd is easily a 1000 yard rusher this year.

No one else in the Pac-12 really impresses me because I personally think UCLA overachieved last year and Oregon wont be as good without Kelly.

Stanford?

(08-15-2013 09:25 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 08:24 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 08:51 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:52 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:35 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  your opinion noted....I assume if that's not the case you will have the sac to come over to the UC board and fess up

He was getting ready to be fired at TT. I assume TT has talent similar to UC's, why do you guys think hes going to be good? He will be a major downgrade from Kelly and Butch. Notice how those two coaches are now at better jobs yet Tubs downgraded to a G5 school... I really don't have anything against UC but you guys were sold a donkey and told it was a Derby winning thoroughbred.

Jones wasn't all that. We had a shot at 12-0 last year if he started the right QB, but Kay wasn't his recruit. He inherited a 12-1 UC team and went 4-8 the next year. Are you aware that Tech is a dump of a city, that Tubs wife is from Greater Cincy and her family lives here?

You say Jones isn't all that but Tubs is? Look at TTs coaching record the last few years, it's far from impressive.

Never been to Lubbock so I can't comment.

Not really sure what TT's wife has to do with his coaching ability. If your previous employer hates you I guess you might as well try to make your wife happy while you are job hunting.

How soon until you start hating on Dana? Thanks for ruining the thread.
Loved Dana's ability to coach the guys up in that blow out loss to Cuse
in the Pinstripe.

Does Dana get credit for blowing out the ACC champ in the Orange Bowl or is it just the bad losses that go on his résumé?

I'm not in love with Dana by any means and I still think he is learning on the job but he has far more upside than TT. If you polled every fan base in college football I'm pretty sure most would take Dana over TT.

(08-15-2013 11:25 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:01 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 11:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 08:54 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I'm going with Southern California in the national championship game.

Well, if (1) they get QB play that doesn't suck, and (2) Kiffin's coaching costs them no more than 2 games they could have won, then they can win the south division. But I think the BCS title game is not within their reach.

Be honest, when is the last time USC had a QB that was not good in college (all three of the guys they have were top recruits literally) and I could look like a star passing to their WR's and TE's. They are loaded with All American talent. If they can get a working offensive line I don't see anyone in the Pac-12 stopping them. Not to mention Silas Redd is easily a 1000 yard rusher this year.

No one else in the Pac-12 really impresses me because I personally think UCLA overachieved last year and Oregon wont be as good without Kelly.

Stanford?

Stanford is going to have a great year. They have a great coach and a talented team that I see winning at least nine games. It's just my opinion that USC is going to finally get their act together this year.

(08-15-2013 11:01 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 11:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 08:54 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I'm going with Southern California in the national championship game.

Well, if (1) they get QB play that doesn't suck, and (2) Kiffin's coaching costs them no more than 2 games they could have won, then they can win the south division. But I think the BCS title game is not within their reach.

Be honest, when is the last time USC had a QB that was not good in college (all three of the guys they have were top recruits literally) and I could look like a star passing to their WR's and TE's. They are loaded with All American talent. If they can get a working offensive line I don't see anyone in the Pac-12 stopping them. Not to mention Silas Redd is easily a 1000 yard rusher this year.

No one else in the Pac-12 really impresses me because I personally think UCLA overachieved last year and Oregon wont be as good without Kelly.

USC is loaded at every position other than QB. I agree that Redd could have a huge year if Kiffin is smart enough to just give Redd the ball instead of letting a mediocre QB throw it all over the place. Wittek doesn't seem up to their QB standard, though. That's why I have that as a caveat.

Even if Oregon has a few glitches transitioning to Helfrich, they still have more talent position-for-position than just about anyone, and more than anyone in the Pac other than USC. Stanford has the best coaching in the league. I'm not sold on Hogan, though. Oregon State is a potential sleeper, though I agree with the writer who wrote that the problem there is that they have a better chance to win 10 games with Mannion at QB, but Riley seems likely to choose Vaz.

(08-15-2013 11:01 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 11:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 08:54 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I'm going with Southern California in the national championship game.

Well, if (1) they get QB play that doesn't suck, and (2) Kiffin's coaching costs them no more than 2 games they could have won, then they can win the south division. But I think the BCS title game is not within their reach.

Be honest, when is the last time USC had a QB that was not good in college (all three of the guys they have were top recruits literally) and I could look like a star passing to their WR's and TE's. They are loaded with All American talent. If they can get a working offensive line I don't see anyone in the Pac-12 stopping them. Not to mention Silas Redd is easily a 1000 yard rusher this year.

No one else in the Pac-12 really impresses me because I personally think UCLA overachieved last year and Oregon wont be as good without Kelly.

UCLA did not overachieve. They finally achieved what they should have been all along. They finally have a coach that was able to get through to those guys. They finally have their identity back. If anyone thinks last year was a fluke, you are more than welcome to believe that but Mora is there to stay in my opinion and UCLA is going to be a power in that conference and perhaps even in the country.

USC is horribly led. Biggest waste of top tier talent in all of the country. Now with Jim Mora at UCLA, kids in that area of the country would be idiots to go play for Kiffin instead of Mora. Yes, Oregon will be affected by the loss of Kelly but Kelly was hardly what truly made Oregon the power that it is now. Nike built that and Nike will continue to build it. They will be fine.

We will see this year about Stanford. That is going to be a tough place to keep at the level it is at now.


UCLA is still my pick to be the top dog in the conference within three years.

I think UConn is going to be the Big Surprise team this year.

SMU has the schedule to make some noise with Texas A&M, Texas Tech and TCU on the OOC slate.

Taking my homer glasses off, I think UCF will contend with Louisville and Cincy for the American Conference title and could reach the BCS game.

I also think Tulsa could do big things this year...

Maryland.

I don't think they have a chance at the Atlantic Division, but it wouldn't surprise me to see them double their win total before the bowl. People look at their eight losses last year but five of the eight were by 10 or less points with an offense decimated by injury. They have talent....WR Stefon Diggs would start at any ACC program except maybe Clemson.

Maryland is my clear pick for #3 in the Atlantic, probably #5 overall in the ACC.

(08-15-2013 12:22 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 11:01 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 11:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 08:54 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I'm going with Southern California in the national championship game.

Well, if (1) they get QB play that doesn't suck, and (2) Kiffin's coaching costs them no more than 2 games they could have won, then they can win the south division. But I think the BCS title game is not within their reach.

Be honest, when is the last time USC had a QB that was not good in college (all three of the guys they have were top recruits literally) and I could look like a star passing to their WR's and TE's. They are loaded with All American talent. If they can get a working offensive line I don't see anyone in the Pac-12 stopping them. Not to mention Silas Redd is easily a 1000 yard rusher this year.

No one else in the Pac-12 really impresses me because I personally think UCLA overachieved last year and Oregon wont be as good without Kelly.

UCLA did not overachieve. They finally achieved what they should have been all along. They finally have a coach that was able to get through to those guys. They finally have their identity back. If anyone thinks last year was a fluke, you are more than welcome to believe that but Mora is there to stay in my opinion and UCLA is going to be a power in that conference and perhaps even in the country.

USC is horribly led. Biggest waste of top tier talent in all of the country. Now with Jim Mora at UCLA, kids in that area of the country would be idiots to go play for Kiffin instead of Mora. Yes, Oregon will be affected by the loss of Kelly but Kelly was hardly what truly made Oregon the power that it is now. Nike built that and Nike will continue to build it. They will be fine.

We will see this year about Stanford. That is going to be a tough place to keep at the level it is at now.


UCLA is still my pick to be the top dog in the conference within three years.

Mora definitely has UCLA on track and they are going to be the class of the South division for a few years. USC will wait for the sanctions to expire before dumping Kiffen. USC will get back to form with a decent coach. I expect Arizona to take a step backwards this year after losing their QB and receivers. I expect OSU to take a step back this year due to some depth problems on the D-line. One team from the muddling middle will take a step up and be a surprise team, but I don't know who. Based on overall talent it should be Washington, but Sark hasn't been able to get them over the hump.

(08-15-2013 09:24 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 09:17 AM)uccheese Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 08:24 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 08:51 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 07:52 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  He was getting ready to be fired at TT. I assume TT has talent similar to UC's, why do you guys think hes going to be good? He will be a major downgrade from Kelly and Butch. Notice how those two coaches are now at better jobs yet Tubs downgraded to a G5 school... I really don't have anything against UC but you guys were sold a donkey and told it was a Derby winning thoroughbred.

Jones wasn't all that. We had a shot at 12-0 last year if he started the right QB, but Kay wasn't his recruit. He inherited a 12-1 UC team and went 4-8 the next year. Are you aware that Tech is a dump of a city, that Tubs wife is from Greater Cincy and her family lives here?

You say Jones isn't all that but Tubs is? Look at TTs coaching record the last few years, it's far from impressive.

Never been to Lubbock so I can't comment.

Not really sure what TT's wife has to do with his coaching ability. If your previous employer hates you I guess you might as well try to make your wife happy while you are job hunting.

Right, and if your coach leaves you might as well pretend you were going to fire him.

ETA: it's actually pretty funny that UC is on both sides of this game right now. Everyone suddenly always hated Butch Jones and he was garbage here just like they are saying at TTech.

It is funny. "Hey, let's kill Butch Jones for going 4-8 his first year and ignore that he won 20 games and shared two conference titles his last two years."

Most UC fans liked (not loved) Butch Jones. He did a fine job. He was no BK but he did a fine job. I think what really turned people a little sour on him was last year he stubbornly left Munchie in at QB when it was clear to everybody Brendon Kay should have been starting. He FINALLY made the switch and we were a different and vastly better team. He did this TOO late and so most UC fans say he directly cost UC the outright BE title...which I agree, he did. So to be honest, even before he left, a lot of fans were not happy with him and ripping him. That's why when he left some fans were like, "oh well...not a huge loss". Again, he was a good coach and I'm sure he will do well at UT. But I wanted to make sure everybody understood this situation a little better.

I think Pitt and Syracuse surprise this year