Lots of "let me convince you why we should be here" threads by newbie schools. They're in the conference, the sales pitch can be put to rest.
Even though I don't know much about MT, FIU, FAU, WKU, and UTSA, I can say that most of us won't really care much unless rivalries develop.
To maintain, or improve CUSA's position prior to realignment, I see the newbies in 3 categories:
Tier 1- ODU and Charlotte. Their following, market, history, excitement level about new fball are all great indicators of what is to come. I also see them as offsets to some of the schools we lost.
Tier 2- UNT, UTSA, MT, and WKU. Plenty of potential. Some of have shown they can do well, and draw well. But they seem to be either fball or bball oriented. Would like for them to have both, 35-45K in fball, and 7-10k in bball during good seasons.. I don't know if their stadiums are even big enough to handle these numbers (except for UTSA's city facility which is also a convention center). Stadiums that seat under 30K are not going to meet what the conference needs to keep up with the MWC and yAAC.
Tier 3- FIA, FAU. I'm crossing my fingers, but I just don't see them making a huge jump. IMHO, this is where CUSA is really hoping something develops.
(This post was last modified: 08-10-2013 10:31 AM by RUNVSFD MINER.)
(08-10-2013 10:25 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote: Lots of "let me convince you why we should be here" threads by newbie schools. They're in the conference, the sales pitch can be put to rest.
Even though I don't know much about MT, FIU, FAU, WKU, and UTSA, I can say that most of us won't really care much unless rivalries develop.
To maintain, or improve CUSA's position prior to realignment, I see the newbies in 3 categories:
Tier 1- ODU and Charlotte. Their following, market, history, excitement level about new fball are all great indicators of what is to come. I also see them as offsets to some of the schools we lost.
Tier 2- UNT, UTSA, MT, and WKU. Plenty of potential. Some of have shown they can do well, and draw well. But they seem to be either fball or bball oriented. Would like for them to have both, 35-45K in fball, and 7-10k in bball during good seasons.. I don't know if their stadiums are even big enough to handle these numbers (except for UTSA's city facility which is also a convention center)
Tier 3- FIA, FAU. I'm crossing my fingers, but I just don't see them making a huge jump. IMHO, this is where CUSA is really hoping something develops.
If our best hope is a program that hasn't snapped the football yet and one that's only played football for three years I worry about our future. I'm not saying they are not capable but that's a scary thought.
I would reverse it. I would lump UTSA, ODU, and Charlotte as the potential schools.
If there is one thing you are getting out of Middle Tennessee, WKCC and North Texas is an already proven commitment to athletics. For the three of us its about taking the next step. All three of us are ready. The question simply becomes one of performance at this point. Either we step up and perform or we don't. Perhaps like you guys I'm tired of the talk. I'm ready for some competition.
(08-10-2013 10:25 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote: Lots of "let me convince you why we should be here" threads by newbie schools. They're in the conference, the sales pitch can be put to rest.
Even though I don't know much about MT, FIU, FAU, WKU, and UTSA, I can say that most of us won't really care much unless rivalries develop.
To maintain, or improve CUSA's position prior to realignment, I see the newbies in 3 categories:
Tier 1- ODU and Charlotte. Their following, market, history, excitement level about new fball are all great indicators of what is to come. I also see them as offsets to some of the schools we lost.
Tier 2- UNT, UTSA, MT, and WKU. Plenty of potential. Some of have shown they can do well, and draw well. But they seem to be either fball or bball oriented. Would like for them to have both, 35-45K in fball, and 7-10k in bball during good seasons.. I don't know if their stadiums are even big enough to handle these numbers (except for UTSA's city facility which is also a convention center). Stadiums that seat under 30K are not going to meet what the conference needs to keep up with the MWC and yAAC.
Tier 3- FIA, FAU. I'm crossing my fingers, but I just don't see them making a huge jump. IMHO, this is where CUSA is really hoping something develops.
(08-10-2013 10:25 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote: Lots of "let me convince you why we should be here" threads by newbie schools. They're in the conference, the sales pitch can be put to rest.
Even though I don't know much about MT, FIU, FAU, WKU, and UTSA, I can say that most of us won't really care much unless rivalries develop.
To maintain, or improve CUSA's position prior to realignment, I see the newbies in 3 categories:
Tier 1- ODU and Charlotte. Their following, market, history, excitement level about new fball are all great indicators of what is to come. I also see them as offsets to some of the schools we lost.
Tier 2- UNT, UTSA, MT, and WKU. Plenty of potential. Some of have shown they can do well, and draw well. But they seem to be either fball or bball oriented. Would like for them to have both, 35-45K in fball, and 7-10k in bball during good seasons.. I don't know if their stadiums are even big enough to handle these numbers (except for UTSA's city facility which is also a convention center). Stadiums that seat under 30K are not going to meet what the conference needs to keep up with the MWC and yAAC.
Tier 3- FIA, FAU. I'm crossing my fingers, but I just don't see them making a huge jump. IMHO, this is where CUSA is really hoping something develops.
what category is LaTech in?
IMO, Tech has the most to gain. You survived your west coast excursion and now you get to be in a regional league with similar institutions. I believe you guys have the best chance to blow up.
(08-10-2013 10:25 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote: Lots of "let me convince you why we should be here" threads by newbie schools. They're in the conference, the sales pitch can be put to rest.
Even though I don't know much about MT, FIU, FAU, WKU, and UTSA, I can say that most of us won't really care much unless rivalries develop.
To maintain, or improve CUSA's position prior to realignment, I see the newbies in 3 categories:
Tier 1- ODU and Charlotte. Their following, market, history, excitement level about new fball are all great indicators of what is to come. I also see them as offsets to some of the schools we lost.
Tier 2- UNT, UTSA, MT, and WKU. Plenty of potential. Some of have shown they can do well, and draw well. But they seem to be either fball or bball oriented. Would like for them to have both, 35-45K in fball, and 7-10k in bball during good seasons.. I don't know if their stadiums are even big enough to handle these numbers (except for UTSA's city facility which is also a convention center). Stadiums that seat under 30K are not going to meet what the conference needs to keep up with the MWC and yAAC.
Tier 3- FIA, FAU. I'm crossing my fingers, but I just don't see them making a huge jump. IMHO, this is where CUSA is really hoping something develops.
(08-10-2013 10:25 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote: Lots of "let me convince you why we should be here" threads by newbie schools. They're in the conference, the sales pitch can be put to rest.
Even though I don't know much about MT, FIU, FAU, WKU, and UTSA, I can say that most of us won't really care much unless rivalries develop.
To maintain, or improve CUSA's position prior to realignment, I see the newbies in 3 categories:
Tier 1- ODU and Charlotte. Their following, market, history, excitement level about new fball are all great indicators of what is to come. I also see them as offsets to some of the schools we lost.
Tier 2- UNT, UTSA, MT, and WKU. Plenty of potential. Some of have shown they can do well, and draw well. But they seem to be either fball or bball oriented. Would like for them to have both, 35-45K in fball, and 7-10k in bball during good seasons.. I don't know if their stadiums are even big enough to handle these numbers (except for UTSA's city facility which is also a convention center). Stadiums that seat under 30K are not going to meet what the conference needs to keep up with the MWC and yAAC.
Tier 3- FIA, FAU. I'm crossing my fingers, but I just don't see them making a huge jump. IMHO, this is where CUSA is really hoping something develops.
Like coffee too.
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(08-10-2013 10:37 AM)techdawg88 Wrote: what category is LaTech in?
Tech is a Tier 2.
My reasoning is that Tech has already been in the WAC and with other MWC/AAC/CUSA type teams. I think we've already seen Tech at its higher points. Not to say that it can't improve, but if your team has already been in comparable conferences, a top-25 team, and so on, then we know what its best-case scenario is.
Charlotte sold out already, and there's talk of expanding to a 30-40K seat stadium. ODU is in a similar situation. They are a hot ticket item, in huge markets, where they will not play second to any other state team.
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(This post was last modified: 08-10-2013 11:37 AM by RUNVSFD MINER.)
I would hope that all of us would sell out a 15K seat stadium. Not sure what analysis that delivers for us at this point.
After they roll off that first 1-10 season in a couple of years (we'll see if the people of Charlotte continue to come out in droves or not). Charlotte is an NFL city. Plus you have a ton of UNC, NC State, etc people living in that town. Once the novelty wears off we'll know then what Charlotte can do.
But to draw conclusions on where they are going to be based on what they've done in a very limited time is a bit naïve...no?
(08-10-2013 11:35 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote: Charlotte sold out already, and there's talk of expanding to a 30-40K seat stadium. ODU is in a similar situation. They are a hot ticket item, in huge markets, where they will not play second to any other state team.
(08-10-2013 11:46 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: I would hope that all of us would sell out a 15K seat stadium. Not sure what analysis that delivers for us at this point.
After they roll off that first 1-10 season in a couple of years (we'll see if the people of Charlotte continue to come out in droves or not). Charlotte is an NFL city. Plus you have a ton of UNC, NC State, etc people living in that town. Once the novelty wears off we'll know then what Charlotte can do.
But to draw conclusions on where they are going to be based on what they've done in a very limited time is a bit naïve...no?
Maybe. But the time they did it in, is very impressive to me. That places them within 5-10K of where others (who have been playing for many years) are at. But it's also about having balance between bball and fball.
The demand for those tickets is a strong indicator. Only time will tell. My view is strictly from a "I don't want to lose ground to MWC or yAAC" perspective, because if we do, then UTEP will have taken a huge step backwards.
As you said, it's almost time to play the games and see what CUSA membership will do for each team. As my old boss said "Don't tell me... Show me".
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(08-10-2013 11:35 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote: Charlotte sold out already, and there's talk of expanding to a 30-40K seat stadium. ODU is in a similar situation. They are a hot ticket item, in huge markets, where they will not play second to any other state team.
seriously?
Here come the yAACers.... Looking over the fence as they move out, to say they didn't like the neighborhood. BUT that the new neighbors won't be as great as they were.
Neighbor, thanks for the great times, coffee, tea, barbeques, and picking up my newspaper while we were on vacation...... Now please GTFO.
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(08-10-2013 12:33 PM)Blueraidersig Wrote: MT seats 32,000 plus in football and averaged right around 10,000 in basketball this past year.
Neither of those are true.
And the size of the stadium doesn't mean jack if it's half full.
That is the size of our stadium so how is that not true? And that is what I heard it was for baskeball. I live in Atlanta so I couldn't be at many games to see for myself.
(08-10-2013 12:33 PM)Blueraidersig Wrote: MT seats 32,000 plus in football and averaged right around 10,000 in basketball this past year.
Neither of those are true.
And the size of the stadium doesn't mean jack if it's half full.
That is the size of our stadium so how is that not true? And that is what I heard it was for baskeball. I live in Atlanta so I couldn't be at many games to see for myself.
31K max for football. I believe the official # of seats is 30,788. And his point wasn't how big your stadium is. It's how big your support is. As for our attendance last year it was awful coming off the worst season we've had in 30 years. And then to play a horrid first game many of those who did show up didn't come back until we strung together three wins only for us to lose that game too.
Basketball attendance was about 5300 last year.
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(08-10-2013 12:33 PM)Blueraidersig Wrote: MT seats 32,000 plus in football and averaged right around 10,000 in basketball this past year.
Neither of those are true.
And the size of the stadium doesn't mean jack if it's half full.
That is the size of our stadium so how is that not true? And that is what I heard it was for baskeball. I live in Atlanta so I couldn't be at many games to see for myself.
Pretty sure capacity is 31k. I guess SRO could push it to 32k+, fortunately we should find out exactly how many people we can cram into the stadium when Vandy comes to the Boro in '15.
(08-10-2013 12:33 PM)Blueraidersig Wrote: MT seats 32,000 plus in football and averaged right around 10,000 in basketball this past year.
Neither of those are true.
And the size of the stadium doesn't mean jack if it's half full.
That is the size of our stadium so how is that not true? And that is what I heard it was for baskeball. I live in Atlanta so I couldn't be at many games to see for myself.
31K max for football. I believe the official # of seats is 30,788. And his point wasn't how big your stadium is. It's how big your support is. As for our attendance last year it was awful coming off the worst season we've had in 30 years. And then to play a horrid first game many of those who did show up didn't come back until we strung together three wins only for us to lose that game too.
Basketball attendance was about 5300 last year.
Well, I guess I was way off. I retract my previous statement.
