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RE: syracuse/duke basketball game. 50,000 fans?
Cuse already plays in a Dome.
Phog is your point: I hate watching BB games in Domes?
Because Cuse will either play the Duke game in front of 35k or 50k in a Dome depending on configuration. Seating generally sucks anyways after the first 15-20k seats.
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RE: syracuse/duke basketball game. 50,000 fans?
(08-02-2013 11:42 AM)TexanMark Wrote: Cuse already plays in a Dome.
Phog is your point: I hate watching BB games in Domes?
Because Cuse will either play the Duke game in front of 35k or 50k in a Dome depending on configuration. Seating generally sucks anyways after the first 15-20k seats.
That's my main point, yes. I freely concede that I haven't paid enough attention to know if my assumption that Syracuse generally configures the dome to minimize the impact of the less-than-ideal venue. I'd always figured that they'd done something to mitigate that, and had assumed that by expanding the seating for the sake of an attendance record they'd lose any benefit of tailoring the configuration to make it better for hoops. My assumptions could certainly all be off the mark (no pun intended).
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RE: syracuse/duke basketball game. 50,000 fans?
that's about 30K more people who would show up for a Syracuse Duke football game
and yes I'm being generous on that 20K estimate
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08-02-2013 02:54 PM |
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RE: syracuse/duke basketball game. 50,000 fans?
Phog normally the court is in the end zone and they can max seating at 33-35k for the biggest games. This proposal would move the court to the 50 yard line to get capacity up to 50k or so.
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RE: syracuse/duke basketball game. 50,000 fans?
(08-02-2013 02:54 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote: that's about 30K more people who would show up for a Syracuse Duke football game
and yes I'm being generous on that 20K estimate
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RE: syracuse/duke basketball game. 50,000 fans?
(08-01-2013 06:42 PM)john01992 Wrote: Syracuse University officials are considering a plan that would move the basketball court to the middle of the Dome's football field for the Orange's game against Duke.
Moving the court would mean breaking the NCAA's all-time attendance record for an on-campus game. The current record of 35,012 was set on Feb. 23, 2013 when Syracuse hosted Georgetown for the final time as Big East foes.
A Syracuse-Duke game with the court in the middle of the Carrier Dome would likely draw a crowd of 50,000 or more.
http://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball...cart_river
Georgetown at Syracuse, Feb 23, 2013.
Yeah, 35,012 at that game. Amazing.
Would be cool to do, as long as season tickets holders don't get screwed.
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RE: syracuse/duke basketball game. 50,000 fans?
(08-02-2013 03:15 PM)billyjack Wrote: (08-01-2013 06:42 PM)john01992 Wrote: Syracuse University officials are considering a plan that would move the basketball court to the middle of the Dome's football field for the Orange's game against Duke.
Moving the court would mean breaking the NCAA's all-time attendance record for an on-campus game. The current record of 35,012 was set on Feb. 23, 2013 when Syracuse hosted Georgetown for the final time as Big East foes.
A Syracuse-Duke game with the court in the middle of the Carrier Dome would likely draw a crowd of 50,000 or more.
http://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball...cart_river
Georgetown at Syracuse, Feb 23, 2013.
Yeah, 35,012 at that game. Amazing.
Would be cool to do, as long as season tickets holders don't get screwed.
Season Ticket base is around 15k...the plan would be to shift their seats for this one game. Hopefully they do it fairly.
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RE: syracuse/duke basketball game. 50,000 fans?
(08-02-2013 02:54 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote: that's about 30K more people who would show up for a Syracuse Duke football game
and yes I'm being generous on that 20K estimate
A lot more than that would show up to watch Cuse smack WV around for a 4th straight time in fb.
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RE: syracuse/duke basketball game. 50,000 fans?
(08-02-2013 11:34 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote: Just because they could do it doesn't mean they should. I understand the appeal of having the attendance record, but as a fan I'd certainly have no interest in going to a hoops game in a football venue. That's like harkening back to the 70's era of multipurpose stadiums that didn't really serve football or baseball well. KC has also had great success with having built a soccer-specific venue for their MLS team rather than having them play in Arrowhead stadium, although there the issue was less with playing field dimensions than in having the venue having much greater capacity than the average game crowd. The atmosphere in the smaller more intimate venue is much better.
(08-01-2013 09:27 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: (08-01-2013 08:11 PM)nzmorange Wrote: (08-01-2013 07:27 PM)Vewb1 Wrote: might be a good game for a couple of years until both coaches retire. Then NADA.
SoCon/ACC basektball history
Top Program 2nd 3rd
1930's Duke UNC Washington & Lee
1940's Duke NC State UNC
1950's NC State UNC Duke
1960's Duke UNC NC State
1970's UNC NC State Duke
1980's UNC NC State Duke
1990's Duke UNC Wake Forest
2000's Duke UNC MD
Duke having a bad basketball team is rare and has been rare over the last 80 years. Duke was the dominant program in the SoCon from 1933 until the late 1940's when NC State that title. Duke's only bad streatch was in the early 1970's (71-76) after the failed hiring of Adolph Rupp until Bill Foster came in from Northwestern and by 78 Duke was in the Final Four again. Then the first 4 years of the K regime were bad 1982-1985, but the ensuing 30 have been pretty good.
The ACC's SoCon records are usually forgotten, but when you include them, you see that Duke has be remarkably consistent in basketball over the past 80 years and have not been in the top three of the league over the course of a decade on the rarest of occasions.
Because the coach at Duke can do anything they want and spend all they money they want and give a kid a free education to Duke, it's not really concievable that the next coach will be a dud.
I think it's quite conceivable that Duke could hire a dud coach - or at least one who doesn't meet the high expectations there. However, if they were to find themselves in that situation, they would have the will, resources, and appeal to other candidates to be able to rectify the situation. They have a margin for error that most other programs lack.
"The atmosphere in the smaller more intimate venue is much better."
That ship already sailed.
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08-02-2013 04:11 PM |
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RE: syracuse/duke basketball game. 50,000 fans?
(08-02-2013 04:11 PM)nzmorange Wrote: (08-02-2013 11:34 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote: Just because they could do it doesn't mean they should. I understand the appeal of having the attendance record, but as a fan I'd certainly have no interest in going to a hoops game in a football venue. That's like harkening back to the 70's era of multipurpose stadiums that didn't really serve football or baseball well. KC has also had great success with having built a soccer-specific venue for their MLS team rather than having them play in Arrowhead stadium, although there the issue was less with playing field dimensions than in having the venue having much greater capacity than the average game crowd. The atmosphere in the smaller more intimate venue is much better.
(08-01-2013 09:27 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: (08-01-2013 08:11 PM)nzmorange Wrote: (08-01-2013 07:27 PM)Vewb1 Wrote: might be a good game for a couple of years until both coaches retire. Then NADA.
SoCon/ACC basektball history
Top Program 2nd 3rd
1930's Duke UNC Washington & Lee
1940's Duke NC State UNC
1950's NC State UNC Duke
1960's Duke UNC NC State
1970's UNC NC State Duke
1980's UNC NC State Duke
1990's Duke UNC Wake Forest
2000's Duke UNC MD
Duke having a bad basketball team is rare and has been rare over the last 80 years. Duke was the dominant program in the SoCon from 1933 until the late 1940's when NC State that title. Duke's only bad streatch was in the early 1970's (71-76) after the failed hiring of Adolph Rupp until Bill Foster came in from Northwestern and by 78 Duke was in the Final Four again. Then the first 4 years of the K regime were bad 1982-1985, but the ensuing 30 have been pretty good.
The ACC's SoCon records are usually forgotten, but when you include them, you see that Duke has be remarkably consistent in basketball over the past 80 years and have not been in the top three of the league over the course of a decade on the rarest of occasions.
Because the coach at Duke can do anything they want and spend all they money they want and give a kid a free education to Duke, it's not really concievable that the next coach will be a dud.
I think it's quite conceivable that Duke could hire a dud coach - or at least one who doesn't meet the high expectations there. However, if they were to find themselves in that situation, they would have the will, resources, and appeal to other candidates to be able to rectify the situation. They have a margin for error that most other programs lack.
"The atmosphere in the smaller more intimate venue is much better."
That ship already sailed.
Is there any notion of building a hoops-specific venue in Syracuse? That's certainly a program with enough history and tradition that I could see support for it, although at this point I suppose that the Carrier Dome is the tradition that most fans (particularly younger ones) would identify with, just as Duke fans would likely not find a larger venue attractive.
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RE: syracuse/duke basketball game. 50,000 fans?
(08-02-2013 04:23 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote: (08-02-2013 04:11 PM)nzmorange Wrote: (08-02-2013 11:34 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote: Just because they could do it doesn't mean they should. I understand the appeal of having the attendance record, but as a fan I'd certainly have no interest in going to a hoops game in a football venue. That's like harkening back to the 70's era of multipurpose stadiums that didn't really serve football or baseball well. KC has also had great success with having built a soccer-specific venue for their MLS team rather than having them play in Arrowhead stadium, although there the issue was less with playing field dimensions than in having the venue having much greater capacity than the average game crowd. The atmosphere in the smaller more intimate venue is much better.
(08-01-2013 09:27 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: (08-01-2013 08:11 PM)nzmorange Wrote:
SoCon/ACC basektball history
Top Program 2nd 3rd
1930's Duke UNC Washington & Lee
1940's Duke NC State UNC
1950's NC State UNC Duke
1960's Duke UNC NC State
1970's UNC NC State Duke
1980's UNC NC State Duke
1990's Duke UNC Wake Forest
2000's Duke UNC MD
Duke having a bad basketball team is rare and has been rare over the last 80 years. Duke was the dominant program in the SoCon from 1933 until the late 1940's when NC State that title. Duke's only bad streatch was in the early 1970's (71-76) after the failed hiring of Adolph Rupp until Bill Foster came in from Northwestern and by 78 Duke was in the Final Four again. Then the first 4 years of the K regime were bad 1982-1985, but the ensuing 30 have been pretty good.
The ACC's SoCon records are usually forgotten, but when you include them, you see that Duke has be remarkably consistent in basketball over the past 80 years and have not been in the top three of the league over the course of a decade on the rarest of occasions.
Because the coach at Duke can do anything they want and spend all they money they want and give a kid a free education to Duke, it's not really concievable that the next coach will be a dud.
I think it's quite conceivable that Duke could hire a dud coach - or at least one who doesn't meet the high expectations there. However, if they were to find themselves in that situation, they would have the will, resources, and appeal to other candidates to be able to rectify the situation. They have a margin for error that most other programs lack.
"The atmosphere in the smaller more intimate venue is much better."
That ship already sailed.
Is there any notion of building a hoops-specific venue in Syracuse? That's certainly a program with enough history and tradition that I could see support for it, although at this point I suppose that the Carrier Dome is the tradition that most fans (particularly younger ones) would identify with, just as Duke fans would likely not find a larger venue attractive.
honestly the dome is old ugly and is starting to hold us back if anything. but syracuse needs this dome badly
syracuse is the snowiest city in america. growing up there i saw firsthand how hard the high schools struggle trying to keep their fields in good shape. football, softball, lacrosse, field hockey etc. all require large fields and are difficult to keep in good game time conditions because of our unique climate. thats why the dome is so valuable to the university. it allows all these sports to be played on one field indoors.
its hard enough to get good out of state players to come here, because the weather sucks so bad and the location is terrible. but letting them play indoors sure softens that blow.
another upside is that they can sell alcohol there making syracuse one of the few schools that still sells alcohol at on campus games and the only school that can do it for for practically every sport. because the dome has some weird status with being university/privately owned at the same time the alcohol vendors are a lot harder to kick out. which means SU will end up being the last university to ban alcohol at cfb games the ACC had to change their alcohol policy because of this.
another thing is the city needs an indoor convention center and the dome fills that need as well with all the concerts and events it has hosted.
i think its time for a new cfb stadium & a bb arena to go with it would be nice. but the dome fills a lot of purposes that a fb stadium or bb arena cant
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RE: syracuse/duke basketball game. 50,000 fans?
(08-02-2013 11:34 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote: I think it's quite conceivable that Duke could hire a dud coach - or at least one who doesn't meet the high expectations there. However, if they were to find themselves in that situation, they would have the will, resources, and appeal to other candidates to be able to rectify the situation. They have a margin for error that most other programs lack.
You're right, if the first guy flops and they need a new coach 3-4 years after Coach K retires, they'll still have a lot of appeal to top-shelf candidates. The job might have even more appeal at that point -- as the cliche goes, you don't want to be the guy who follows the legend, you want to be the guy who follows the guy who follows the legend.
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RE: syracuse/duke basketball game. 50,000 fans?
(08-02-2013 04:23 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote: Is there any notion of building a hoops-specific venue in Syracuse? That's certainly a program with enough history and tradition that I could see support for it, although at this point I suppose that the Carrier Dome is the tradition that most fans (particularly younger ones) would identify with, just as Duke fans would likely not find a larger venue attractive.
No. The Dome theoretically shouldn't have a great environment, but it defies theory and is something special. I've been to a bunch of venues (bball, lax, and football) and the Dome is amongst the best, especially when it's packed. That aside though, SU won't get a bball only facility for two reasons: 1. there is a ridiculously strong attachment to the Dome, and 2. SU RAKES in money because it has its own stadium that it can use for three sports and the stadium is long since paid for. Building a stadium would A) cost a ton, B) double overhead, and C) cause space issues (we have the land, but its current location gives it an unparalleled on-campus presence).
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RE: syracuse/duke basketball game. 50,000 fans?
(08-02-2013 03:40 PM)cuseroc Wrote: (08-02-2013 02:54 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote: that's about 30K more people who would show up for a Syracuse Duke football game
and yes I'm being generous on that 20K estimate
A lot more than that would show up to watch Cuse smack WV around for a 4th straight time in fb.
You'd definitely get a bigger crowd for a Schwartzwalder Trophy battle than you would for Duke in football. If it's not basketball, the folks at Duke could mostly care less, especially if they have to travel...
However, I could see Syracuse filling the dome for Duke or UNC easily. The only problem with putting the basketball court in the middle of the dome is that now you have 50,000 people watching a basketball game, and not one of them has a good seat. If they put some seats close to the court, to increase the size of the crowd, then those close to the floor will have a decent seat, but nobody else will...
That's the only drawback I see. It won't stop Syracuse from doing it, because they know they can sell out the dome for the game. So it's a perfectly sound business decision...
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