(07-24-2013 06:59 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(07-24-2013 06:40 PM)tigertom Wrote:  

(07-24-2013 11:57 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Guys, it doesn't make any sense for why you are so outraged over this. The Liberty Bowl managers prefer to have a P5 vs P5 matchup than to give one of those slots to the American. I'm sure there was a lot of research done by the Liberty bowl to see which combinations would provide the greatest revenue projections. This plus them doing their best to go after the P5 conferences resulted in this decision.

Memphis residents should be thrilled because it will allow for the bowl to maximize revenues, and when you couple that with the visiting fans spending money in Memphis, the city residents benefit.

I don't get the rage from AAC fans. Yes, it may suck to not get the best bowls, but it's not based on a concerted effort to keep the AAC down. I believe it has everything to do with which conferences provide the most revenue to the bowls, TV ratings, etc. The American is not as prestigious as the other P5 conferences. There's no disputing that. The name recognition is simply not at the same level, and the ESPN TV contract reflects what the market is willing to pay to see AAC sports on TV. The best the American can do is to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and to win on the field and get their fans engaged so that the TV execs and bowls SEE what the American has to offer.

You're welcome.

You can bet yo sweet a$$ that they can fill the LB with whoever the LB committee desires, but there will not be much or any support from Tiger land. Not me for damn sure.

Love 'em !

First off, I wanted to point out that you don't have to be afraid to type out the word "ass". See? It's fine.

Second, as a U of Memphis fan, you are doing a disservice to your city and to the facility that is so generously provided to your school for its use. The Liberty Bowl is doing a favor for the American by elevating itself in such a way that when the American is ready to take part in the bowl, it will be rewarded by associating with a more prestigious bowl.

All the rancor and hate that the American want to heap upon the Liberty Bowl will be a huge disaster for the conference since the Liberty is in reality the biggest American fans out there. But they can't associate with the American conference right now because of the issues it currently has with perception from an academic and athletic point of view. I feel extremely confident that the Liberty Bowl is a very good secret friend to the American conference. I can't go into specifics, but rest assured that I know this to be true.

You're welcome.

miko, he's exercising his right as an American consumer. He's chosen to withhold his support, due to the Liberty Bowl's stance on selecting P5 conferences instead of the conference Memphis has joined. Some will follow suit. Some won't. Although in the long run, I don't think it will matter either way...

This is a good move financially for the Liberty Bowl. Both the SEC and B12 have large traveling fanbases, and Memphis is centrally located. I'm pretty sure the businessmen that made the decision on the Liberty Bowl's future conference tie-ins are fully aware of that fact. They're trying to make money, and elevate the Liberty Bowl in the bowl hierarchy...

Will the SEC actually be able to fill the Liberty Bowl? Anything beyond the 7th selection outside the playoffs may not materialize. The SEC could realistically get four in the "BCS" (two playoff spots, Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl) before it starts filling any other slots. Any other SEC bowls in Florida will certainly be ahead of the Liberty.

Maybe I'm missing something or maybe I don't know better, but I really don't see where Miko's post is really all that far off?! If I was a bowl exec and I had a choice between a match up between the SEC/Big12 or the SEC/AAC, I would 100% jump at the opportunity to pick up the SEC/Big12 match up. I mean, why the hell wouldn't you?!?!

(07-24-2013 08:34 PM)MasMack Wrote:  Maybe I'm missing something or maybe I don't know better, but I really don't see where Miko's post is really all that far off?! If I was a bowl exec and I had a choice between a match up between the SEC/Big12 or the SEC/AAC, I would 100% jump at the opportunity to pick up the SEC/Big12 match up. I mean, why the hell wouldn't you?!?!

No, you are not missing anything. A number of American fans think that I loathe their conference, so I "troll" them. I actually am a fan of the AAC and a number of their schools - like Memphis for example. Unfortunately, even when I provide thought provoking discourse, I get ridiculed because a few posters with irrational exuberance about the AAC did not care to learn that the emperor had no clothes.

And you go back to failing at trolling. Come on Miko troll better.

Still patiently waiting for Miko to work pie into the conversation. I like pie. Though cake is good as well.

I've been missing some good sh*& by not reading this BBS...

So, after seeing the first page of posts from American Athletic Conference of America's Americans schools' fans... I have determined that this is exactly, 100% correct! Nice find.

Looks like miko forgot to take his pills again.

Having been only one of a few on this thread to have ever gone to the Liberty Bowl itself, I feel it's a wrong for the bowl to side with the ACC and SEC. The bowl for years has supported C-USA honoring and allowing it's champion. Having attended the game in 2011 culminating in a thrilling Cincinnati win over SEC Vanderbilt (not one broadcaster on ESPN picked Cincinnati over Vanderbilt). The town was great, newspapers were kind to the Bearcats and fans and the reporting of the game and festivities were outstanding. It's an outstanding bowl, that's why the AAC hates to lose it. I don't think many from SEC country will attend this bowl and I don't think it has the appeal with the big 5 as with AAC members. Certainly, the bowl and it's committee have the right to make whatever decision they want, I just think this one was a mistake. Also, when the AAC decided to keep the ever changing name bowl (Papa Johns to Beef O Brady bowl) in Birmingham, must have been a nut. That is the worst bowl on the planet and a bowl I will NEVER attend again. I love the Liberty Bowl and hope the AAC can return to the bowl soon.

(07-24-2013 03:58 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  This is an interesting thread. Your first post is actually serious - and your second simply isn't.

No, Miko was just off his game with the first post. The second post is up to his usual standards.

(07-24-2013 08:13 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Will the SEC actually be able to fill the Liberty Bowl? Anything beyond the 7th selection outside the playoffs may not materialize. The SEC could realistically get four in the "BCS" (two playoff spots, Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl) before it starts filling any other slots. Any other SEC bowls in Florida will certainly be ahead of the Liberty.

Liberty is in a "pool" with Outback, GAtor, Belk, Music City and Houston. I think that means that if they're short some years, the "shortage" gets distributed among the six bowls. Maybe Liberty misses two years if the SEC never fills all six spots.

I suspect that the ACC gets a call to put one of their "#7-10" teams in as a backup for the whole SEC midtier pool, with a bit of trading thrown in, since you can't really have ACC vs ACC in the Belk Bowl.

(07-24-2013 08:34 PM)MasMack Wrote:  Maybe I'm missing something or maybe I don't know better, but I really don't see where Miko's post is really all that far off?! If I was a bowl exec and I had a choice between a match up between the SEC/Big12 or the SEC/AAC, I would 100% jump at the opportunity to pick up the SEC/Big12 match up. I mean, why the hell wouldn't you?!?!

He's entirely CORRECT in his fact claims. Where he's trolling is in claiming not to understand why the AAC fans are mad, and that the Liberty Bowl is acting in the best interests of the AAC and just waiting for the AAC to stop sucking so they can come back to the Liberty Bowl.

So far we have a couple of A+ trolls, a few C's and 1 or 2 F trolls. This is really disappointing by Miko. He used to be a straight A troller. Clearly he's regressing.

(07-25-2013 07:19 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  So far we have a couple of A+ trolls, a few C's and 1 or 2 F trolls. This is really disappointing by Miko. He used to be a straight A troller. Clearly he's regressing.

I agree this simply wasn't a strong argument.

(07-25-2013 07:24 AM)ULdave Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 07:19 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  So far we have a couple of A+ trolls, a few C's and 1 or 2 F trolls. This is really disappointing by Miko. He used to be a straight A troller. Clearly he's regressing.

I agree this simply wasn't a strong argument.

Well to be fair he's also a prisoner of his own success. When you have trolled so hard and been so good at it every trolling attempt gets compared to your earlier work.

(07-25-2013 07:30 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 07:24 AM)ULdave Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 07:19 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  So far we have a couple of A+ trolls, a few C's and 1 or 2 F trolls. This is really disappointing by Miko. He used to be a straight A troller. Clearly he's regressing.

I agree this simply wasn't a strong argument.

Well to be fair he's also a prisoner of his own success. When you have trolled so hard and been so good at it every trolling attempt gets compared to your earlier work.

LOL, no trolling on my part. I just assumed that the AAC fans would understand that bowl game committees will act as rational actors, and that they will do whatever they need to do to grow the prestige of their bowl (and to survive).

Miko, is this really how you want to be remembered in life?

(07-25-2013 08:44 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Miko, is this really how you want to be remembered in life?

I don't understand the question. Are you referring to someone who is not afraid to bring up challenging topics for discussion and providing reliable insider information? If yes, then absolutely. That is how I want to be remembered - for the things that I do for this forum.

(07-25-2013 08:43 AM)miko33 Wrote:  I just assumed that the AAC fans would understand that bowl game committees will act as rational actors, and that they will do whatever they need to do to grow the prestige of their bowl (and to survive).

Wrong on your part. You know what happens when you assume.

I was reading another schools message board and they were complaining that the local hometown bowl wasn't helping them. Bowl games aren't in the charity business and they won't help the local school unless they help themselves.