(06-30-2013 11:37 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  Would you rather your team be one of the top three teams in CUSA every year or one of the bottom five teams in the AAC every year?

Which of these scenarios would help a program the most over a ten year period, or would it make difference?

With the continuing musical chairs of college sports realignment, there may only be 5 teams in the AAC after the next 2 years. Big10 seems to be on an incessant charge toward 16 and if UConn has another season where they win both men's & women's hoops titles and have a respectable football season they will be a strong candidate for either the ACC or the Big 10. If Cincy can grow their football program under Tuberville they will be an attractive candidate for the ACC who has been expanding northward at a rapid pace.

Adding Cincy with Notre Dame would give the ACC an enhanced footprint int the Midwest/Mideastern states. Would also get the ACC entrenched into the Football recruiting hotbed of Ohio which produces more top football talent than any midwestern state. Cincinnatti in an AQ conference is going to take Ohio talent away from INdiana, Purdue, Michigan State, Illinois, Wisconsin and Missouri.

Cincy has Illinois & Indiana on their schedule this year and Lville at home. A win over Lville and Cincy should get the final automatic bid for the AAC/old BE. That might be enough for them to get an ACC invite.

Consequently if the AAC shrinks due to the loss of UConn, Cincy and others (B12 may want to move into Florida and offer USF & UCF) then being in the bottom 5 of the AAC wouldn't be bad as there would only be 8 teams in the conference for football.

Plea

(07-01-2013 02:49 PM)FonzKnight Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 12:37 PM)TheNorthTexan Wrote:  Here, I'm going to break this down.


Southern Methodist = UNT
This is a wash. SMU is currently on an upswing, but have to lie to make their attendance look better than miserable. Lot more upside than SMU. The June Jones debacle is starting explode in Highland Park, too.

Temple < UAB
Both horrible historically at football, but UAB outclasses Temple at basketball unless you count Temple's ancient history.

Cincinnati > ODU
Similar, ODU will have to prove their worth. Currently these two are similar, though. ODU looks to potentially have better fan support...but Cincy is better overall at sports at the moment.

Connecticut < UTEP
Better football, basketball and fan support.

Houston > UTSA
Better fan support at UTSA, better school, better stadium...Houston is better at the sports though. UTSA is on an upswing, UH on a downswing. UH still gets it for the moment, though.

Memphis = MTSU
Better football, support, but Memphis has a far superior basketball team and national recognition.

Central Florida > FAU
FAU has a lot of work ahead of them.

South Florida = FIU
It's a wash based on current fan support and performance. FIU has been more successful recently, though.

East Carolina < USM
USM is better at football than ECU, would have similar fan support if stadium was larger, better basketball, better history...just about everything.

Tulane < LA Tech
This is obvious, right?

Tulsa = Rice
Rice looks to be on the upswing, has a better stadium, better fanbase, bigger city...more potential. Better school, too.

Navy = Marshall
Similar fan support, Marshall has more history and more potential...still Navy is good now.

4 for CUSA
6 wash
3 for AAC.



Personal opinion, but it's not hard to come to similar ideas after a bit of research. This is leaving out WKU, too.

Does this say that UTEP has better Football, Basketball, and fan support than freaking UCONN? Please tell me you actually typed that out, looked it over, nodded, smiled, and hit the post button.

With all that is wrong with this, that one made me giggle the most.

Related note, drugs are bad.

Please post as often as possible and consider posting in the MAC folder the Pic in your sig line is awesome!

But back to the content of the post you were replying to; in addition to the UCONN/UTEP gaffe, if anyone thinks that UAB hoops is a step above Temple hoops you are sadly mistaken. Temple has received 31 NCAA tourney bids vs 14 for UAB. UAB's last tourney win was 2005, Temple won their opening round game this year. No comparison between the 2 programs

(07-01-2013 01:45 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Trick question, right?!?!?!? the aac is only going to have 5 teams?

They may not get down to 5 but I can see a scenario where they get down to 8. B12 wants to build in the southeast and recruit Florida talent, makes an offer to UCF & USF. ACC wants to recruit more Ohio talent as Ohio produces more CFB players than any other Midwestern state and invites Cincy. UCONN wins another women's hoops title next year and in a revival of their men's hoops program wins the men's title as well and has a decent football season. Can absolute see the ACC offering them as well to get up to 16 and increase their Northeastern & Midwestern footprint. That gets the AAC down to 8, so being in the bottom 5 of an 8 team conference wouldn't be bad

(07-01-2013 12:37 PM)TheNorthTexan Wrote:  Here, I'm going to break this down.


Southern Methodist = UNT
This is a wash. SMU is currently on an upswing, but have to lie to make their attendance look better than miserable. Lot more upside than SMU. The June Jones debacle is starting explode in Highland Park, too.

Temple < UAB
Both horrible historically at football, but UAB outclasses Temple at basketball unless you count Temple's ancient history.

Cincinnati > ODU
Similar, ODU will have to prove their worth. Currently these two are similar, though. ODU looks to potentially have better fan support...but Cincy is better overall at sports at the moment.

Connecticut < UTEP
Better football, basketball and fan support.

Houston > UTSA
Better fan support at UTSA, better school, better stadium...Houston is better at the sports though. UTSA is on an upswing, UH on a downswing. UH still gets it for the moment, though.

Memphis = MTSU
Better football, support, but Memphis has a far superior basketball team and national recognition.

Central Florida > FAU
FAU has a lot of work ahead of them.

South Florida = FIU
It's a wash based on current fan support and performance. FIU has been more successful recently, though.

East Carolina < USM
USM is better at football than ECU, would have similar fan support if stadium was larger, better basketball, better history...just about everything.

Tulane < LA Tech
This is obvious, right?

Tulsa = Rice
Rice looks to be on the upswing, has a better stadium, better fanbase, bigger city...more potential. Better school, too.

Navy = Marshall
Similar fan support, Marshall has more history and more potential...still Navy is good now.

4 for CUSA
6 wash
3 for AAC.



Personal opinion, but it's not hard to come to similar ideas after a bit of research. This is leaving out WKU, too.

UTEP better FB and BB than UConn? Man, you need to get yourself checked.

This debate is like saying would you rather by the worst house on a great block, or the best house on a bad block.

Any realtor worth anything will tell you to buy the worse house on the good block and improve it.

So if your athletic program is planning on improving, you want to be at the bottom of the AAC. And don't start with this crap that there is no difference between the AAC and C-USA. Come on. The AAC could call any of your C-USA Presidents tomorrow with an invitation and get a "yes" in 15 seconds.

Two days ago these AAC schools were in CUSA, hell some still are but yet they are sooooo much better. What a joke.

From past records The odds are the bottom three teams in AAC will be Memphis, Tulane, & SMU. If they have not already done it should LT, MT, & one of the Texas teams in CUSA surpass these teams would the AAC westward move be considered a failure?

So in a nutshell, this ain't Your Dads CUSA! Right about that.

(07-01-2013 12:23 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 12:15 PM)TheNorthTexan Wrote:  The problem is the AAC isn't really much of an upgrade.

You can keep saying that but it doesn't make it true.

Since 2007 bowl eligible big 5 conference wins.

Cincy
10-3 Pitt
9-4 West Virginia
9-4 West Virginia
9-4 Oregon State
9-4 Rutgers
9-4 Pitt
8-5 Oregon State
8-5 NC State
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Syracuse
7-6 Virginia Tech
7-6 Louisville
7-6 Louisville
6-7 Pitt
6-7 Pitt
6-7 Vandy

USF
11-2 West Virginia
9-4 Auburn
9-4 West Virginia
8-5 Notre Dame
8-5 Kansas
7-6 Florida State
7-6 Miami
6-7 Clemson
6-7 NC State

UConn
11-2 Louisville
11-3 Cincy
9-4 Rutgers
9-4 West Virginia
8-5 Pittsburg
8-5 Syracuse
8-5 Rutgers
7-6 South Carolina
6-6 Notre Dame
6-6 Louisville

Navy
8-5 Notre Dame
8-5 Missouri
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Wake Forrest
6-6 Notre Dame

Houston
9-4 Penn State
9-4 Oklahoma St
9-4 Texas Tech
6-8 UCLA

ECU
10-4 Virginia Tech
9-4 West Virginia
9-4 NC State

UCF
6-7 Georgia

Tulsa
8-5 Notre Dame
6-7 Iowa State

SMU
11-2 TCU
6-7 Pitt


------------------CUSA------------------------------

MTSU
8-5 Maryland
7-7 Georgia Tech

USM
8-5 Virginia

Rice
7-6 Purdue

FIU
7-6 Louisville

Marshall
7-6 Louisville


50 something to 6, and much higher profile wins like Auburn, Notre Dame, Penn State etc. The AAC teams have certainly been more compeditive with good Big 5 teams.

I dont think you can't count Conference games for Cincy and such since they were a Power 5 Conference.

(07-01-2013 12:37 PM)TheNorthTexan Wrote:  Here, I'm going to break this down.


Southern Methodist = UNT
This is a wash. SMU is currently on an upswing, but have to lie to make their attendance look better than miserable. Lot more upside than SMU. The June Jones debacle is starting explode in Highland Park, too.

Temple < UAB
Both horrible historically at football, but UAB outclasses Temple at basketball unless you count Temple's ancient history.

Cincinnati > ODU
Similar, ODU will have to prove their worth. Currently these two are similar, though. ODU looks to potentially have better fan support...but Cincy is better overall at sports at the moment.

Connecticut < UTEP
Better football, basketball and fan support.

Houston > UTSA
Better fan support at UTSA, better school, better stadium...Houston is better at the sports though. UTSA is on an upswing, UH on a downswing. UH still gets it for the moment, though.

Memphis = MTSU
Better football, support, but Memphis has a far superior basketball team and national recognition.

Central Florida > FAU
FAU has a lot of work ahead of them.

South Florida = FIU
It's a wash based on current fan support and performance. FIU has been more successful recently, though.

East Carolina < USM
USM is better at football than ECU, would have similar fan support if stadium was larger, better basketball, better history...just about everything.

Tulane < LA Tech
This is obvious, right?

Tulsa = Rice
Rice looks to be on the upswing, has a better stadium, better fanbase, bigger city...more potential. Better school, too.

Navy = Marshall
Similar fan support, Marshall has more history and more potential...still Navy is good now.

4 for CUSA
6 wash
3 for AAC.



Personal opinion, but it's not hard to come to similar ideas after a bit of research. This is leaving out WKU, too.

I really like the potential of the new CUSA, but UCONN is clearly ahead of UTEP in both basketball and football. USF is miles ahead of FIU. Memphis football may be worse than MTSU, but their basketball is so much better than it more than makes up for it.

Temple and UAB both may have terrible football histories, but Temple's basketball is easily better than UAB's basketball, even if you ignore "ancient history."

Temple has made the last SIX NCAA tournaments, winning a game twice. In 01, they went to the Elite 8. I'd hardly call 2001 ancient history. Before all the realignment actually started, Temple was a program I was hoping would end up in CUSA with Charlotte.

UAB with Mike Davis = UL with Steve Kragthorpe. End of story !

(07-01-2013 12:32 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 12:23 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 12:15 PM)TheNorthTexan Wrote:  The problem is the AAC isn't really much of an upgrade.

You can keep saying that but it doesn't make it true.

Since 2007 bowl eligible big 5 conference wins.


Navy
8-5 Notre Dame
8-5 Missouri
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Wake Forrest
6-6 Notre Dame

Houston
9-4 Penn State
9-4 Oklahoma St
9-4 Texas Tech
6-8 UCLA

ECU
10-4 Virginia Tech
9-4 West Virginia
9-4 NC State

UCF
6-7 Georgia

Tulsa
8-5 Notre Dame
6-7 Iowa State

SMU
11-2 TCU
6-7 Pitt


------------------CUSA------------------------------

MTSU
8-5 Maryland
7-7 Georgia Tech

USM
8-5 Virginia

Rice
7-6 Purdue

FIU
7-6 Louisville

Marshall
7-6 Louisville


50 something to 6, and much higher profile wins like Auburn, Notre Dame, Penn State etc. The AAC teams have certainly been more compeditive with good Big 5 teams.

36 of the 50 wins were when these teams were also in the Big 5. When they move down, they probably won't be as competitive.

Still 17 AQ wins to 6 in favor of The American.

(07-01-2013 12:50 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  I see the point. But I think UCONN, Cincinnati, and USF will become much more like Houston, UCF, and ECU when they lose the advantage of being in an elite conference.

I think people are glossing over the fact that the Big East was NEVER an elite football conference. It had the BCS AQ tag, and that was as far as the simlarities with the other P6 conferences went. Look at Cincy, UConn, and USF recruiting and tell me that the AQ tag helped them so much in that aspect. They were still getting good-pretty good recruits, but hardly elite bluechips a la the Big12 and SEC. Their programs just worked harder and smarter than others, give credit where its due rather than just throwing the blanket of AQ-tag-program-pump-up over everything.

,How many blue chippers outside of Texas, Oklahoma grown kids does the Big12 really land. I know WVU recruits Eastern and Southern kids but I don't know about the rest of the league.

(07-07-2013 12:44 PM)Texas2Step Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 12:32 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 12:23 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(07-01-2013 12:15 PM)TheNorthTexan Wrote:  The problem is the AAC isn't really much of an upgrade.

You can keep saying that but it doesn't make it true.

Since 2007 bowl eligible big 5 conference wins.


Navy
8-5 Notre Dame
8-5 Missouri
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Wake Forrest
6-6 Notre Dame

Houston
9-4 Penn State
9-4 Oklahoma St
9-4 Texas Tech
6-8 UCLA

ECU
10-4 Virginia Tech
9-4 West Virginia
9-4 NC State

UCF
6-7 Georgia

Tulsa
8-5 Notre Dame
6-7 Iowa State

SMU
11-2 TCU
6-7 Pitt


------------------CUSA------------------------------

MTSU
8-5 Maryland
7-7 Georgia Tech

USM
8-5 Virginia

Rice
7-6 Purdue

FIU
7-6 Louisville

Marshall
7-6 Louisville


50 something to 6, and much higher profile wins like Auburn, Notre Dame, Penn State etc. The AAC teams have certainly been more compeditive with good Big 5 teams.

36 of the 50 wins were when these teams were also in the Big 5. When they move down, they probably won't be as competitive.

Still 17 AQ wins to 6 in favor of The American.

And 4 of those for the American were against losing teams.

La Tech also beat 4 AQ losers during that period:
2008: W 22-14 La Tech vs. Mississippi State
2011: W 27-7 La Tech at Ole Miss
2012: W 52-24 La Tech at Illinois
2012: W 44-38 La Tech at Virginia

After next year the difference between the AAC & CUSA could be if (and that's a big "if") Cincy can maintain the level of play they enjoyed when they were in an AQ conference. It will be interesting to see who the top three teams in each conference will be in 2 years and their ranking at the end of the year. The fact that neither conference has a GoR could be a sign of what insiders & outsiders think about the two conference for the next 10 years.

(07-08-2013 04:18 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  After next year the difference between the AAC & CUSA could be if (and that's a big "if") Cincy can maintain the level of play they enjoyed when they were in an AQ conference. It will be interesting to see who the top three teams in each conference will be in 2 years and their ranking at the end of the year. The fact that neither conference has a GoR could be a sign of what insiders & outsiders think about the two conference for the next 10 years.

I don't think so. I think the difference in the level of play (with the exception of a couple of CUSA teams S Miss and maybe LaTech) going to very different. I also think the that the level of exposure the AAC enjoys will make a huge difference in AAC recruiting compared to CUSA recruiting (which will show up on the field).

Too early to tell about bowls--that may or may not be a significant difference. Have to wait and see on that.