(06-18-2013 07:18 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-18-2013 06:41 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  ECU will never be relevent in college basketball....never.

Butler had two 20 win seasons and 1 NCAA in their first 98 years. I'm sure you would have claimed the same thing about them. History doesn't dictate $hit.

Brad Stevens 166–49 (.772)

Jeff Lebo 267–200 (.571)

eh but all hail Jeff Lebo

look, he's a retread and you are about to play in a conference with all but 1 team you've been in a conference with before and sucked during that time. My point about Auburn is that facilities don't mean **** when you can't win on the floor. You can build a palace to play in but unless you make it to the tourney and prove you can win then you won't recruit any better.

Lebo has been to 2 NITs and 1 Pay for play tournament. You have the next coach K there guys. Better give him a raise or someone might hire him away.

Before Mike Davis came to UAB, we had less losing seasons than ECU has had NCAA bids. And you think he is a good coach.

since ECU's last NCAA birth UAB has made it to:
6 NCAA 94, 99, 04, 05, 06, 11
6 NIT 97, 98, 03, 08, 09, 10
including a sweet 16

UAB has never stayed at home more than 3 years concurrently from either an NCAA or NIT bid in its history. Prior to Mike Davis we had a grand total of 1 4 year player not get to play in the NCAA's. We can't say that anymore. And you think he was a good coach.

(06-18-2013 06:23 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(06-18-2013 01:47 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  You should never take basketball advice from people who think retreads like mike Davis or Jeff Lebo are good basketball coaches

And by your same logic how do you explain lebo failing at auburn? They have better facilities and more money than uab but went 3-30? Last year

One Lebo wasn't coaching at AU last year. He might have done better if they were 't on probation when he was hired. Looking at Lebo record at AU compared to what have now, it looks like firing him was a mistake. Also, how well would any coach do while dealing with scholarship restrictions and players leaving because of that last coaching staff.

Oh, there go those pesky facts again.

Look, I'm from Alabama. I know that Auburn is a basketball black hole. Tony Barbee made a huge mistake in leaving UTEP for Auburn. Barbee lost so many games because everyone transferred out of Auburn to go elsewhere. He didn't have the bench depth to stay with anyone in D1a basketball.

My point was that facilities and conference affiliation don't mean anything unless you have some basektball history to back it up. lebo has done nothing to show that ECU basketball will become relevant under his tenure. The fact that you tout your pay for play championship as the high point of ECU basketball speaks wonders for your argument. Things can change for your university. But they won't get much better under Lebo.

It amuses me that you guys brag on your AAC affiliation when ECU basketball was roughly 50% of the reason the C7 left the Big East. They didn't want you in their conference for a reason.

(06-19-2013 12:40 AM)Dracorex Wrote:  It amuses me that you guys brag on your AAC affiliation when ECU basketball was roughly 50% of the reason the C7 left the Big East. They didn't want you in their conference for a reason.

Get you fact straight. We were FB only, our basketball had zero to do with the C-7 leaving. We weren't all sports till after the C-7 left. There go those facts, again. They got offered more money to leave the BE from FOX than ESPN was going to pay for them to stay, it's that simple.

(06-19-2013 12:37 AM)Dracorex Wrote:  

(06-18-2013 06:23 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(06-18-2013 01:47 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  You should never take basketball advice from people who think retreads like mike Davis or Jeff Lebo are good basketball coaches

And by your same logic how do you explain lebo failing at auburn? They have better facilities and more money than uab but went 3-30? Last year

One Lebo wasn't coaching at AU last year. He might have done better if they were 't on probation when he was hired. Looking at Lebo record at AU compared to what have now, it looks like firing him was a mistake. Also, how well would any coach do while dealing with scholarship restrictions and players leaving because of that last coaching staff.

Oh, there go those pesky facts again.

Look, I'm from Alabama. I know that Auburn is a basketball black hole. Tony Barbee made a huge mistake in leaving UTEP for Auburn. Barbee lost so many games because everyone transferred out of Auburn to go elsewhere. He didn't have the bench depth to stay with anyone in D1a basketball.

My point was that facilities and conference affiliation don't mean anything unless you have some basektball history to back it up. lebo has done nothing to show that ECU basketball will become relevant under his tenure. The fact that you tout your pay for play championship as the high point of ECU basketball speaks wonders for your argument. Things can change for your university. But they won't get much better under Lebo.

Again, the fact say other wise. What part of the BEST three year period in School History doesn't show a major improvement since Lebo got here. 18 wins, 14, 23, sorry but that's a lot better than 6, 12, 10 win season we were dealing with.

And 100,000th time it's not pay to play, only to host and only because it's a newer tournament that hasn't got a lot of major sponsors yet.

(06-19-2013 12:37 AM)Dracorex Wrote:  The fact that you tout your pay for play championship as the high point of ECU basketball speaks wonders for your argument. Things can change for your university. But they won't get much better under Lebo.

I haven't touted that once nor do I really care all that much about a CIT trophy. I look at he big picture and tout the fact Lebo took over a team that was ranked 230th the year he got here and has us ranked 67th at the end of year 3. If you can't see he's made massive improvements here or most every place he has been you are blind as hell.

He's never stayed anywhere longer than 3 or 4 years other than Auburn and it's hard to count that against him since they were on probation 3 of his years there he didn't cause. If he stays here there will have plenty of oppertunity to take that next step beyond rebuilding, and he obviously has us going the right direction.

(06-19-2013 12:30 AM)Dracorex Wrote:  Brad Stevens 166–49 (.772)

Jeff Lebo 267–200 (.571)

Penn State already tried and we extended him for 8 years. Lebo may not be Brad Stevens but the point was the history you are posting for either of us doesn't dictate $hit and Bulter is a great example of that. I know you think it does but you are only as good as your current coach. Ask USM how long it took to dismantle their football program when you hire the wrong guy.

Quote:You have the next coach K there guys. Better give him a raise or someone might hire him away.

Even Coach K couldn't take Army to the NCAA's, and it took him a few years to get Duke straight.

Coach K

Army
11-17
20-8 NIT
19-9
14-11
9-17

Duke
17-13 NIT
10-17
11-17 (year 8, still trending the wrong way)

That was K's first 8 years

You don't just take over 10 win teams and go to the NCAA's in 3 years like the jobs Lebo has taken over while climbing the coaching ladder. I you want to compare Stevens took over teams that were winning 30 games and has stayed longer than 3 years and never had to rebuild a program as low. There's a little difference there in the starting point I would say.

(06-19-2013 12:30 AM)Dracorex Wrote:  since ECU's last NCAA birth UAB has made it to:
6 NCAA 94, 99, 04, 05, 06, 11
6 NIT 97, 98, 03, 08, 09, 10
including a sweet 16

and yet the reality is we are winnign more under our current coach currently, out draw you, have nicer facilites, have more money and are going to a much better conference....How sad is that how little your past actually has got you. Enjoy our rear view.

You are hardly winning more than UAB under your current coach. You have 56 wins in the past 3 seasons(please note this counts ever single garbage game you played), UAB has 53. Let's not act like ECU has won 70 games under Lebo while UAB has won 40 in the same time span.

Also, you are again using attendance figures from some of UAB's worst seasons, while using figures from some of ECU's best. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out those numbers are a little skewed.

Nicer facilities? I don't know, and I really don't know that you do either. I haven't been to your arena, and I'm guessing you haven't been to ours. Bartow is one hell of a home court though.

More money, sure. You guys draw really well in football, there is no doubt about that.

Our past has gotten us plenty. You are such an idiot sometimes. We were in the NCAA Tournament 3 seasons ago. We have been to the NCAA Tournament 4 times in the past 10 years. We have been to the NIT 3 times in that same span. And your CIT Championship has surpassed us just like that? Nope. Try again.

(06-19-2013 06:29 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 12:40 AM)Dracorex Wrote:  It amuses me that you guys brag on your AAC affiliation when ECU basketball was roughly 50% of the reason the C7 left the Big East. They didn't want you in their conference for a reason.

Get you fact straight. We were FB only, our basketball had zero to do with the C-7 leaving. We weren't all sports till after the C-7 left. There go those facts, again. They got offered more money to leave the BE from FOX than ESPN was going to pay for them to stay, it's that simple.

Actually you would be incorrect. The C-7 was very upset with ECU and Tulane addition to the Big East because it pretty much indicated the TV deal was not going to meet expectations or even match what they currently had. So yeah, ECU did have something to do with the C-7 leaving but whatever. Y'all prostituted yourselves for the longest and you know Catholics aren't fond of prostitutes.....just sayin'.....

Our Basketball and nothing to do with the C-7 leaving. They voted us in FB only. Guess you can't read. ECU wasn't added all sport till after they voted to leave. UofL and Rutgers leaving had more to woth tjeir leabing than ECU and Tulane.

(06-19-2013 09:11 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Our Basketball and nothing to do with the C-7 leaving. They voted us in FB only. Guess you can't read. ECU wasn't added all sport till after they voted to leave. UofL and Rutgers leaving had more to woth tjeir leabing than ECU and Tulane.

I thought ecu olympic sports and tulane all sports were added the same day to the big east

(06-19-2013 12:14 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  UTEP was interested in some players that signed with ECU. Floyd recruits nationally and will offer more scholarships than he has available and in the end sign the best of the bunch he has offers for. He even over signs like this year and players that were on the team see the writing on the wall that their playing time will be limited and they transfer. Don't think for a second that ECU beat out UTEP for a recruit. You got guys that we initially were interested in then we found something better.

thank you stanman, the voice of reason

(06-19-2013 09:54 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 12:14 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  UTEP was interested in some players that signed with ECU. Floyd recruits nationally and will offer more scholarships than he has available and in the end sign the best of the bunch he has offers for. He even over signs like this year and players that were on the team see the writing on the wall that their playing time will be limited and they transfer. Don't think for a second that ECU beat out UTEP for a recruit. You got guys that we initially were interested in then we found something better.

thank you stanman, the voice of reason

Whatever helps you sleep.

(06-19-2013 09:53 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 09:11 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Our Basketball and nothing to do with the C-7 leaving. They voted us in FB only. Guess you can't read. ECU wasn't added all sport till after they voted to leave. UofL and Rutgers leaving had more to woth tjeir leabing than ECU and Tulane.

I thought ecu olympic sports and tulane all sports were added the same day to the big east

Nope, ECU wasn't All sports till a few months ago. After the C-7 voted to leave, in favor of the 40 million dollar deal from FOX. I mean which would you go with, 1.5 for bb to stay or 4 million to leave.

Tulane was added all sports the day ECU was added for FB only.

So, I know a few pages have passed, but I have to make sure I read this right:

Was Shamarr Bowden really used as evidence in a ECU vs. UTEP recruiting discussion?

Holy that's fantastic. Thumbs up, A+. My crappy day just got infinitely better. Thank you, SJ.

Jonesing I need a list of all players that your ecu butt pirates have stolen from other cusa teams.

(06-19-2013 10:08 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 09:54 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 12:14 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  UTEP was interested in some players that signed with ECU. Floyd recruits nationally and will offer more scholarships than he has available and in the end sign the best of the bunch he has offers for. He even over signs like this year and players that were on the team see the writing on the wall that their playing time will be limited and they transfer. Don't think for a second that ECU beat out UTEP for a recruit. You got guys that we initially were interested in then we found something better.

thank you stanman, the voice of reason

Whatever helps you sleep.

Your right. UTEP wanted Caleb White and his rankings
ESPN 3*
Rivals ?
Scout ?

Over Isaac Hamilton
ESPN 4*
Rivals 5*
Scout 4*

or maybe is was Andre Spight the #18 rated player in California
ESPN 2*
Rivals 3*
Scout ?

UTEP go the shooting guards they wanted and didn't need White. Or maybe White wanted the chance to play in the CIT instead of working for a national level tournament.

Whatever helps you to sleep better SJ.

http://247sports.com/Season/2013-Basketb...ence=C-USA

These are the composite rankings from multiple sites

UTEP
SG Jacob Thomas 81
SF Jake Flaggery 80

ECU
SG Gregory Alexander 80
SG/SF Caleb White 80

Quote:About 247Composite:
The 247Composite is a proprietary algorithm that compiles rankings and ratings listed in the public domain by the major media recruiting services, creating the industry's most comprehensive and unbiased prospect and team rankings.

Both Caleb White and Gregory Alexander had confirmed offers through Rivals and 247 from UTEP. They both commited to us before you were got Thomas and Flaggerty and are regard as highly.

No one has said they would have been the studs of your class but it is obvious you were recruiting them, wanted them, offered them, and we got them commited before you did Thomas and Flaggery who play the same positions. Those could have been your plan B's for White and Alexander but the bottomline is you offered both of them and didn't fill those scholarships with any better talent, after they picked us over UTEP just like Bowden had.

(06-19-2013 09:11 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Our Basketball and nothing to do with the C-7 leaving. They voted us in FB only. Guess you can't read. ECU wasn't added all sport till after they voted to leave. UofL and Rutgers leaving had more to woth tjeir leabing than ECU and Tulane.

And apparently you can't read. But you are correct, your basketball didn't have anything to do with the C-7 leaving. Your entire program pissed the C-7 off.

So getting commits over other schools means you're a better program now?

RJ Slawson transferred from South Carolina and chose Jacksonville over us. Is Jacksonville a better program now? Does this prove that Jacksonville has a huge recruiting advantage over us?

Or does it just prove that there are myriad reasons why recruits and transfers choose one program over another and that naming a handful of recruits to support your allegations of superior recruiting is just plain illogical?

I'll let you choose your answer. Just like RJ Slawson, I'm sure your choice won't be the one that makes the most sense to the outside observer.

(06-19-2013 02:05 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  http://247sports.com/Season/2013-Basketb...ence=C-USA

These are the composite rankings from multiple sites

UTEP
SG Jacob Thomas 81
SF Jake Flaggery 80

ECU
SG Gregory Alexander 80
SG/SF Caleb White 80

Quote:About 247Composite:
The 247Composite is a proprietary algorithm that compiles rankings and ratings listed in the public domain by the major media recruiting services, creating the industry's most comprehensive and unbiased prospect and team rankings.

Both Caleb White and Gregory Alexander had confirmed offers through Rivals and 247 from UTEP. They both commited to us before you were got Thomas and Flaggerty and are regard as highly.

No one has said they would have been the studs of your class but it is obvious you were recruiting them, wanted them, offered them, and we got them commited before you did Thomas and Flaggery who play the same positions. Those could have been your plan B's for White and Alexander but the bottomline is you offered both of them and didn't fill those scholarships with any better talent, after they picked us over UTEP just like Bowden had.

I should add that both Flaggart and Thomas were Texas kid so the tuition would be less for both of them. By the way Thomas did not complete his course work in junior college and will not be with UTEP. Tim Floyd over recruits and then will give a scholarship to the player who can most help our program. You are right that the stars of your class were recruited by UTEP. The difference is that those players were not the main targets for UTEP like they were for ECU. Look for UTEP to sign either Zylan Cheatham or Elston Jones for the class of 2014, neither of which ECU has a chance of. Your best year ever in basketball is a below average year at UTEP.