The area of MTW i live in isnt bad. It all depends on what side you are on.

Also, once you have kids, you start thinking about what schools you want to send them to. You start really evaluating whether you want your kids to go to CPS or not. Then the desire to get into a certain school district dictates what neighborhood you move into many times.

(05-21-2013 11:37 AM)bctn8n Wrote:  The area of MTW i live in isnt bad. It all depends on what side you are on.

True, depending on your area it may not be bad. If you live back in the neighborhoods your experience will be a pleasant one. I live on Sutton where all the action is, and what I've seen/heard has made me wish I'd never stepped foot in Mt. Washington.

(05-21-2013 12:14 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  Also, once you have kids, you start thinking about what schools you want to send them to. You start really evaluating whether you want your kids to go to CPS or not. Then the desire to get into a certain school district dictates what neighborhood you move into many times.

This is the appeal of Mt. Washington because of Sands, and even Mt. Washington elementary is one of the better CPS schools.

The problem arises in high school, your options for your kids are pretty much McNick, Walnut, or Withrow - not that those are bad options. Even Withrow (specifically Withrow University) despite its reputation is a good school.

(05-21-2013 12:18 PM)ThinkBigPine Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 11:37 AM)bctn8n Wrote:  The area of MTW i live in isnt bad. It all depends on what side you are on.

True, depending on your area it may not be bad. If you live back in the neighborhoods your experience will be a pleasant one. I live on Sutton where all the action is, and what I've seen/heard has made me wish I'd never stepped foot in Mt. Washington.

I live off of Wayside (which is off of Sutton) it is nice and quiet except for the occasional rock concert down at Riverbend.

(05-21-2013 12:41 PM)bctn8n Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 12:18 PM)ThinkBigPine Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 11:37 AM)bctn8n Wrote:  The area of MTW i live in isnt bad. It all depends on what side you are on.

True, depending on your area it may not be bad. If you live back in the neighborhoods your experience will be a pleasant one. I live on Sutton where all the action is, and what I've seen/heard has made me wish I'd never stepped foot in Mt. Washington.

I live off of Wayside (which is off of Sutton) it is nice and quiet except for the occasional rock concert down at Riverbend.

I live just past the legion hall, seen and heard a lot of meth/heroin deals, that pony keg lost its liquor license because the son was selling guns on the side - they would let you buy the weapons with your Ohio EBT card, the bar Tower View often is a meeting spot for johns and prostitutes, and then there is the occasional corpse that turns up on the side streets. There are some good things though, Tower View does have free pool on Monday's and that legion can do no wrong when it comes to a fish fry.

(05-21-2013 12:41 PM)bctn8n Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 12:18 PM)ThinkBigPine Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 11:37 AM)bctn8n Wrote:  The area of MTW i live in isnt bad. It all depends on what side you are on.

True, depending on your area it may not be bad. If you live back in the neighborhoods your experience will be a pleasant one. I live on Sutton where all the action is, and what I've seen/heard has made me wish I'd never stepped foot in Mt. Washington.

I live off of Wayside (which is off of Sutton) it is nice and quiet except for the occasional rock concert down at Riverbend.

I live off Wayside too

(05-21-2013 12:21 PM)ThinkBigPine Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 12:14 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  Also, once you have kids, you start thinking about what schools you want to send them to. You start really evaluating whether you want your kids to go to CPS or not. Then the desire to get into a certain school district dictates what neighborhood you move into many times.

This is the appeal of Mt. Washington because of Sands, and even Mt. Washington elementary is one of the better CPS schools.

The problem arises in high school, your options for your kids are pretty much McNick, Walnut, or Withrow - not that those are bad options. Even Withrow (specifically Withrow University) despite its reputation is a good school.

I don't see how that's a problem.

Some people from Mt. Washington also go to Purcell, and even St. Xavier.

(05-21-2013 12:48 PM)ThinkBigPine Wrote:  There are some good things though, Tower View does have free pool on Monday's and that legion can do no wrong when it comes to a fish fry.

Finally, I am sold. Nothing like a good fish fry!

(05-20-2013 06:06 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  Clearly, some people in some areas have an attitude about Cincinnati and Cincinnati football. Sounds like West Chester to me. In terms of going to the ghetto, we all know it's no different at Ohio State and at Xavier (Evanston). Many of these universities are in poorer urban areas.

This!

Evanston is much worse than Corryville these days, and it's always been worse than Clifton. Same with High St in Columbus. These people are putting down UC ONLY because it is named after the urban center. If we were called McMicken University they would probably be fans.

But we do NEED these people. The economic and cultural "Cincinnati" is a 15-county region, not a small, Alaska-shaped jurisdiction. It is mostly suburban, and even has a rural area that has more homes than in truly "urban" areas (most of the City itself isn't even truly Urban). Yet even in the rural parts, they are still "one of us."

For example, some of my wife's family is from a town of 5,000 people 45 minutes west of Lafayette, IN. They (and their neighbors) have this innate inferiority complex where they have to prove that they're not hillbillies by buying name brand everything and keeping up with every trend. Around Cincy, you don't see that even in tiny towns 1/10th their size like Moscow, Cedar Grove, or Rabbit Hash because they legitimately feel like they're part of a big-time "city." We all shop at the same malls, go to the same Zoo, and root for the Reds. Rooting for the same Bearcats is a logical next step, and we're closer to that being a reality than a lot of people think.


We won't get very far if our goal is to be the University of the City of Cincinnati, any more than the Reds would succeed if they only wanted to be the City of Cincinnati Reds. We need to be the University of the Region of Cincinnati. And really, we already are. We're the region's research center, medical center, secondary education center, and biggest employer. Adding "college football center" to that list isn't too big of a stretch, and we're already most of the way there.

Walnut Hills is the top high school in Ohio and of top 50 in the US if you have not seen it in the last 6 months you need to...The 85 million dollar project is getting close...It is a remodel expansion etc. It is unreal and will rival most college campuses. The senior class at Wanut
received 23 million in scholarships! They take latin every year and are tested from freshmen year on... The music center is just short of CCM! The athletic areas are amazing new stadium new pool new gym. The quality is amazing Cherry lockers and trim through out the new areas. It is a must see for anyone! Withrow is another beauty of a remodel...

(05-23-2013 12:46 PM)Bearcat T Wrote:  Walnut Hills is the top high school in Ohio and of top 50 in the US if you have not seen it in the last 6 months you need to...The 85 million dollar project is getting close...It is a remodel expansion etc. It is unreal and will rival most college campuses. The senior class at Wanut
received 23 million in scholarships! They take latin every year and are tested from freshmen year on... The music center is just short of CCM! The athletic areas are amazing new stadium new pool new gym. The quality is amazing Cherry lockers and trim through out the new areas. It is a must see for anyone! Withrow is another beauty of a remodel...

Walnut Hills can compete with any suburban high school. SCPA is also in a class by itself. Good education can be found at primary schools within the system as well.

I believe one can get an excellent education in the Cincy metro area without moving to the 'burbs.

(05-21-2013 08:52 AM)dalbc Wrote:  

(05-20-2013 07:22 PM)Vewb1 Wrote:  I also fine with those people that slam the university, take their children elsewhere and pay double for the same or lesser of an education. It makes no difference to me if one wants to spend 40K a year on an education that can be achieved at 12K a year. Freedom of speech is fine with me. My friend is sending his kid to Xavier. He'll spend 40K thinking he's getting a great deal. At this point, Xavier can't compete as Cliff Peale said in the Enquirer. Xavier literally gives every kid a 47% discount for tuition their freshman year. If they didn't they could not get anyone to go there. Not only that, the building for which all freshman have classes is literally falling apart. They can't afford to buy another building or rebuild at this point. I'll see if I can dig up the article by Cliff Peale. It was a couple of months ago. Then once they get you there, they soak you in years 2-4 making you think you gotta have that catholic education. Many Xavier alum talk about UC like it's dirt, but UC is beating XU to the punch in just about every academic category possible with the only exception of business. That will change soon. When I told my friend (XU grad sending his kid to XU) that my son who graduated from UC last year recently got a great job two weeks ago, he wouldn't say great or that's super or anything. If my son went to XU, he could not study his chosen major because Xavier doesn't even offer it. It's too bad all those people have to talk UC down. It's a wonderful place.

Um, X is already looking up at UC from a business school perspective. Frankly, based on the quality of students, it's not that close on the MBA side. The last time I looked (admittedly it's been a few years), X's MBA program accounted for a material percentage of its overall student population. To entice that number of MBA candidates, X literally has to take all comers. At one point in the not-too-distant past, UC's MBA student population's GMAT scores averaged almost 100 points higher than those at X.

Perhaps the situation has changed materially since the time I researched this for my nephew several years ago, but it is probably still safe to say the X MBA candidate is below average (i.e., the average GMAT score is below 550) and would struggle to get into UC.

I'm guessing, but I suspect the Xavier MBA program pays the bills on Victory Parkway due to employer tuition reimbursement programs and virtually open admissions (at least this seemingly was the case in the not-too-distant past).

you're more correct than you know.

(05-23-2013 12:46 PM)Bearcat T Wrote:  Walnut Hills is the top high school in Ohio and of top 50 in the US if you have not seen it in the last 6 months you need to...The 85 million dollar project is getting close...It is a remodel expansion etc. It is unreal and will rival most college campuses. The senior class at Wanut
received 23 million in scholarships! They take latin every year and are tested from freshmen year on... The music center is just short of CCM! The athletic areas are amazing new stadium new pool new gym. The quality is amazing Cherry lockers and trim through out the new areas. It is a must see for anyone! Withrow is another beauty of a remodel...

Absolutely. You've just got to hope your kid is smart enough to get in.

(05-22-2013 12:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  For example, some of my wife's family is from a town of 5,000 people 45 minutes west of Lafayette, IN. They (and their neighbors) have this innate inferiority complex where they have to prove that they're not hillbillies by buying name brand everything and keeping up with every trend. Around Cincy, you don't see that even in tiny towns 1/10th their size like Moscow, Cedar Grove, or Rabbit Hash because they legitimately feel like they're part of a big-time "city." We all shop at the same malls, go to the same Zoo, and root for the Reds. Rooting for the same Bearcats is a logical next step, and we're closer to that being a reality than a lot of people think.

as a long time fan of rabbit hash, they could care less about being associated with anything other than rabbit hash and i thank them for it.

(05-30-2013 08:54 AM)Lush Wrote:  

(05-22-2013 12:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  For example, some of my wife's family is from a town of 5,000 people 45 minutes west of Lafayette, IN. They (and their neighbors) have this innate inferiority complex where they have to prove that they're not hillbillies by buying name brand everything and keeping up with every trend. Around Cincy, you don't see that even in tiny towns 1/10th their size like Moscow, Cedar Grove, or Rabbit Hash because they legitimately feel like they're part of a big-time "city." We all shop at the same malls, go to the same Zoo, and root for the Reds. Rooting for the same Bearcats is a logical next step, and we're closer to that being a reality than a lot of people think.

as a long time fan of rabbit hash, they could care less about being associated with anything other than rabbit hash and i thank them for it.

I'm a big fan too!

My point was that I've run into too many people who spend way too much time trying to convince me that they're just as sophisticated as urbanites. They're always the ones who live/grew up far enough away from the big city that it was a full day trip to go to a professional sports game or a museum. You just don't see that inferiority complex springing up amongst folks who can make the trip into a major city frequently.

I also thought it was the urbanites trying to convince the rest of us how sophisticated they are.

(05-30-2013 03:13 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I also thought it was the urbanites trying to convince the rest of us how sophisticated they are.

No doubt about it.

Interesting take.

I think some people ARE more sophisticated than others. For example, those who enjoy art or music or architecture and know a great deal about it are more sophisticated than me. There's nothing wrong with being unsophisticated; you can be passionate about farming or trees and be just as interesting of a person.

What I'm talking about is someone who thinks that the fact that they shopped at Macy's or IKEA last week makes them just as sophisticated as the person who went to the Opera last night. I see a lot more people like that in the extreme rural areas over 2 hours away from big cities: people who think that they're a better person than the people around them because they shop on Michigan Ave in Chicago once a year, or spend a lot of time trying to convince you that they're not a hilljack. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of good people out those ways too, but there's also plenty of people who wish that they could move to Los Angeles because they think it would make them cool.

(05-31-2013 10:23 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Interesting take.

I think some people ARE more sophisticated than others. For example, those who enjoy art or music or architecture and know a great deal about it are more sophisticated than me. There's nothing wrong with being unsophisticated; you can be passionate about farming or trees and be just as interesting of a person.

What I'm talking about is someone who thinks that the fact that they shopped at Macy's or IKEA last week makes them just as sophisticated as the person who went to the Opera last night. I see a lot more people like that in the extreme rural areas over 2 hours away from big cities: people who think that they're a better person than the people around them because they shop on Michigan Ave in Chicago once a year, or spend a lot of time trying to convince you that they're not a hilljack. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of good people out those ways too, but there's also plenty of people who wish that they could move to Los Angeles because they think it would make them cool.

To bold point 1. Enjoy would not be appropriate, to be sophisticated you would have to understand the complexities or engineering behind music or architecture. if you can design buildings, or write music or compose it that is sophisticated. Likewise if you are an excellent farmer or run a successful tree farm you are sophiticated in that.

To the rural folks, that seems more like being a topper or trying one up their
friends and family.