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RE: C-USA Teams on Myerberg's Countdown (USA Today) (79. Middle Tennessee)
I believe East Carolina is next.

"Who is No. 78? This team hasn't posted a winning season when scoring 273 points or less since 1997."

Since 1997, the ECU's fewest points scored in a winning season is 274 (in 1998).
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RE: C-USA Teams on Myerberg's Countdown (USA Today) (79. Middle Tennessee)
(06-22-2013 06:38 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Middle Tennesee is a tough team to predict, because I can't really tell who they were last year even:

Were they the team that lost to McNeese State and barely scraped by FIU & South Alabama?

Were they the team that destroyed Georgia Tech and had 8 FBS wins?

I know this much; they should not be taken lightly.

Myerberg sums it up pretty nicely: "Middle Tennessee State University: 30 letters, or 15 fewer letters than the longest word in the English language, pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanokoniosis, a lung disease caused by the inhalation of fine silicate or quartz dust, according to Merriam-Webster.

The word – the latter, and I'm not writing it out again – is hard to spell yet easy to define; Middle Tennessee State, on the other hand, is easy to spell yet difficult to define."

Actually, I think YOU summed it up even better than Myerberg did.
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C-USA Teams on Myerberg's Countdown (USA Today) (79. Middle Tennessee)
(06-22-2013 07:32 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(06-22-2013 06:38 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Middle Tennesee is a tough team to predict, because I can't really tell who they were last year even:

Were they the team that lost to McNeese State and barely scraped by FIU & South Alabama?

Were they the team that destroyed Georgia Tech and had 8 FBS wins?

I know this much; they should not be taken lightly.

Myerberg sums it up pretty nicely: "Middle Tennessee State University: 30 letters, or 15 fewer letters than the longest word in the English language, pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanokoniosis, a lung disease caused by the inhalation of fine silicate or quartz dust, according to Merriam-Webster.

The word – the latter, and I'm not writing it out again – is hard to spell yet easy to define; Middle Tennessee State, on the other hand, is easy to spell yet difficult to define."

Actually, I think YOU summed it up even better than Myerberg did.

I see that MTSU's FB schedule this year is an even mix of C-USA West teams and C-USA East teams.

Is MTSU is not allowed to win the C-USA championship this season? Are they in the East in 2013? Or West? They are official members so I was expecting them to be allowed to win the title. But then, I'm not sure how they get counted in 2013 with respect to division standing. Anyone know?
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RE: C-USA Teams on Myerberg's Countdown (USA Today) (79. Middle Tennessee)
MT is in the East division and eligible to win the C-USA title.

They play all 6 East division schools (FAU, ECU, Marshall, UAB, FIU and USM) and 2 West division schools (NT and UTEP).

There is a presumption that UAB and USM will move to the West division in 2015 when ODU (2014) and Charlotte (2015) are both on board as football members, but for 2013 they are still in the East. I think that is what is confusing you.
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(06-22-2013 09:29 AM)Chappy Wrote:  MT is in the East division and eligible to win the C-USA title.

They play all 6 East division schools (FAU, ECU, Marshall, UAB, FIU and USM) and 2 West division schools (NT and UTEP).

There is a presumption that UAB and USM will move to the West division in 2015 when ODU (2014) and Charlotte (2015) are both on board as football members, but for 2013 they are still in the East. I think that is what is confusing you.

Ah. Now it makes sense. Thanks!
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RE: C-USA Teams on Myerberg's Countdown (USA Today) (79. Middle Tennessee)
(06-22-2013 09:29 AM)Chappy Wrote:  MT is in the East division and eligible to win the C-USA title.

They play all 6 East division schools (FAU, ECU, Marshall, UAB, FIU and USM) and 2 West division schools (NT and UTEP).

There is a presumption that UAB and USM will move to the West division in 2015 when ODU (2014) and Charlotte (2015) are both on board as football members, but for 2013 they are still in the East. I think that is what is confusing you.

and WKU (2014) is on board. 04-cheers

We WKU fans are kind of in limbo because we are a year away from moving from the SBC to C-USA. The SBC board is now dominated by GaSo and AppSt fans and WKU is rarely part of their discussions. The C-USA board is talking this upcoming season so there's rarely an opportunity for WKU fans to participate and we don't want to impose since we're not a player yet. Can't wait until July 1, 2014.
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(06-22-2013 09:29 AM)Chappy Wrote:  MT is in the East division and eligible to win the C-USA title.

They play all 6 East division schools (FAU, ECU, Marshall, UAB, FIU and USM) and 2 West division schools (NT and UTEP).

There is a presumption that UAB and USM will move to the West division in 2015 when ODU (2014) and Charlotte (2015) are both on board as football members, but for 2013 they are still in the East. I think that is what is confusing you.

Absolutely correct. I still have to remind myself now and again that USM and UAB are in the east for now. If they both change over, at least we at MT will know who our cross-division rival will probably be (UAB, if WKU remains East).
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Oh, yeah, sorry I forgot WKU!
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RE: C-USA Teams on Myerberg's Countdown (USA Today) (79. Middle Tennessee)
Just don't think MTU stands a chance to win to the East Div. They will feel like they were in a buzz saw when they play ECU and Marshall. 04-jawdrop05-stirthepot
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RE: C-USA Teams on Myerberg's Countdown (USA Today) (79. Middle Tennessee)
(06-22-2013 06:38 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Middle Tennesee is a tough team to predict, because I can't really tell who they were last year even:

Were they the team that lost to McNeese State and barely scraped by FIU & South Alabama?

Were they the team that destroyed Georgia Tech and had 8 FBS wins?

I know this much; they should not be taken lightly.

Myerberg sums it up pretty nicely: "Middle Tennessee State University: 30 letters, or 15 fewer letters than the longest word in the English language, pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanokoniosis, a lung disease caused by the inhalation of fine silicate or quartz dust, according to Merriam-Webster.

The word – the latter, and I'm not writing it out again – is hard to spell yet easy to define; Middle Tennessee State, on the other hand, is easy to spell yet difficult to define."

What's funny is that I had that as a spelling word in 8th grade. It was the whole spelling test. BTW, it's most commonly contracted by breathing volcanic ash, hence the "volcano" in the name. Weird what you remember 34 years later.
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RE: C-USA Teams on Myerberg's Countdown (USA Today) (79. Middle Tennessee)
(06-22-2013 08:39 PM)banker Wrote:  
(06-22-2013 06:38 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Middle Tennesee is a tough team to predict, because I can't really tell who they were last year even:

Were they the team that lost to McNeese State and barely scraped by FIU & South Alabama?

Were they the team that destroyed Georgia Tech and had 8 FBS wins?

I know this much; they should not be taken lightly.

Myerberg sums it up pretty nicely: "Middle Tennessee State University: 30 letters, or 15 fewer letters than the longest word in the English language, pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanokoniosis, a lung disease caused by the inhalation of fine silicate or quartz dust, according to Merriam-Webster.

The word – the latter, and I'm not writing it out again – is hard to spell yet easy to define; Middle Tennessee State, on the other hand, is easy to spell yet difficult to define."

What's funny is that I had that as a spelling word in 8th grade. It was the whole spelling test. BTW, it's most commonly contracted by breathing volcanic ash, hence the "volcano" in the name. Weird what you remember 34 years later.

Two thoughts regarding the language (not the placement) regarding MT. First, if we're basing off last year MT was as good or better in nearly every major defensive stat sans QB sacks - which ironically has been one of our strengths over the years - than Marshall or ECU, so all the "concern" over defense seems a little misdirected. Further, there were two bad games defensively that really skewed the final stats. Point being if they're worried about defense then they're really going to have to be worried about just about everyone else in the east too.

Second, last year's first game of the year against McNeese was an outlier. Coming off a bad season and the lack of confidence that came with it plus trying to implement a new offensive scheme with a new OC resulted in a poor offensive performance. Obviously, that worked itself out. This is the first time in many years we're going to have the same OC and DC from the previous season. Six wins or less this year will be considered a terrible year. We have a three year returning starter at QB, good line and skill players in league that isn't going to play a lot of defense this year, so we're going to match up ok with just about everyone we play. That's on paper of course. Now, the team just has to show up, commit less penalties and turnovers and if we don't have a rash of injuries good Lord willing we're going to be in the hunt this year.
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RE: C-USA Teams on Myerberg's Countdown (USA Today) (79. Middle Tennessee)
I think if Middle had beaten McNeese State we wouldn't have had as good of a year. I think it kicked the teams butts in gear.
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Don't forget we also didn't have Benny against McNeese.
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(06-22-2013 04:24 PM)TulsaEye Wrote:  Just don't think MTU stands a chance to win to the East Div. They will feel like they were in a buzz saw when they play ECU and Marshall. 04-jawdrop05-stirthepot

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Looking at his dream season scenario for MTSU, I think I know who he has winning CUSA-E.
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I think MT plays to the level of their competition more so than other teams I've seen. I expect MT to beat at least one of ECU and Marshall, considering both are nationally televised home games.
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RE: C-USA Teams on Myerberg's Countdown (USA Today) (79. Middle Tennessee)
Middle Tennessee State University Blue Raiders (41 letters)
North Carolina State University Wolfpack (36 letters)
University of California at Los Angeles Bruins (40 letters)
Mississippi State University Bulldogs (34 letters)


The number of letters or the word 'State' creates zero marketing hindrance, IMO. We can brand ourselves Middle Tennessee, Middle, MT, MT State, MTSU....we can brand ourselves Blue Raiders or just Raiders. None requires legal action, just a consistent professional branding campaign with a mascot and icon that isn't rediculous.

The block MT is simple and classic. Put the winged horse out of its misery....a Tennessee walking horse makes more sense. All t-shirts & press releases: Middle Tennessee or MT. Forget the board of regents.....all we need is effective branding and wins.
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RE: C-USA Teams on Myerberg's Countdown (USA Today) (79. Middle Tennessee)
(06-23-2013 01:34 PM)TruBlu Wrote:  Middle Tennessee State University Blue Raiders (41 letters)
North Carolina State University Wolfpack (36 letters)
University of California at Los Angeles Bruins (40 letters)
Mississippi State University Bulldogs (34 letters)


The number of letters or the word 'State' creates zero marketing hindrance, IMO. We can brand ourselves Middle Tennessee, Middle, MT, MT State, MTSU....we can brand ourselves Blue Raiders or just Raiders. None requires legal action, just a consistent professional branding campaign with a mascot and icon that isn't rediculous.

I can't find one example in those that's even remotely comparable.

None have a directional name and UCLA doesn't use anything but UCLA. Plus all are flagship type research institutions that have official designations as such by their states. Not to mention they're all in power conferences. Not trying to be a prick, but it's simply a poor analogy. "State" itself may not be the problem per se, but the addition of "Middle" and "State" is.


(06-23-2013 01:34 PM)TruBlu Wrote:  All t-shirts & press releases: Middle Tennessee or MT. Forget the board of regents.....all we need is effective branding and wins.

It's going to take more than that, but I get what you're saying. It doesn't help that the administration refuses to take the lead of the athletic dept. The AD is already doing those things, but the problem there is we are in essence - as an institution - aiding the confusion because athletics and administration are branding and marketing in two completely different ways.
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(06-23-2013 03:05 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(06-23-2013 01:34 PM)TruBlu Wrote:  Middle Tennessee State University Blue Raiders (41 letters)
North Carolina State University Wolfpack (36 letters)
University of California at Los Angeles Bruins (40 letters)
Mississippi State University Bulldogs (34 letters)


The number of letters or the word 'State' creates zero marketing hindrance, IMO. We can brand ourselves Middle Tennessee, Middle, MT, MT State, MTSU....we can brand ourselves Blue Raiders or just Raiders. None requires legal action, just a consistent professional branding campaign with a mascot and icon that isn't rediculous.

I can't find one example in those that's even remotely comparable.

None have a directional name and UCLA doesn't use anything but UCLA. Plus all are flagship type research institutions that have official designations as such by their states. Not to mention they're all in power conferences. Not trying to be a prick, but it's simply a poor analogy. "State" itself may not be the problem per se, but the addition of "Middle" and "State" is.


(06-23-2013 01:34 PM)TruBlu Wrote:  All t-shirts & press releases: Middle Tennessee or MT. Forget the board of regents.....all we need is effective branding and wins.

It's going to take more than that, but I get what you're saying. It doesn't help that the administration refuses to take the lead of the athletic dept. The AD is already doing those things, but the problem there is we are in essence - as an institution - aiding the confusion because athletics and administration are branding and marketing in two completely different ways.

I think his point is just that institutions with long names have been successful at branding with shorter versions. A non-AQ example would be UTEP.
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(06-23-2013 03:05 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(06-23-2013 01:34 PM)TruBlu Wrote:  Middle Tennessee State University Blue Raiders (41 letters)
North Carolina State University Wolfpack (36 letters)
University of California at Los Angeles Bruins (40 letters)
Mississippi State University Bulldogs (34 letters)


The number of letters or the word 'State' creates zero marketing hindrance, IMO. We can brand ourselves Middle Tennessee, Middle, MT, MT State, MTSU....we can brand ourselves Blue Raiders or just Raiders. None requires legal action, just a consistent professional branding campaign with a mascot and icon that isn't rediculous.

I can't find one example in those that's even remotely comparable.

None have a directional name and UCLA doesn't use anything but UCLA. Plus all are flagship type research institutions that have official designations as such by their states. Not to mention they're all in power conferences. Not trying to be a prick, but it's simply a poor analogy. "State" itself may not be the problem per se, but the addition of "Middle" and "State" is.


(06-23-2013 01:34 PM)TruBlu Wrote:  All t-shirts & press releases: Middle Tennessee or MT. Forget the board of regents.....all we need is effective branding and wins.

It's going to take more than that, but I get what you're saying. It doesn't help that the administration refuses to take the lead of the athletic dept. The AD is already doing those things, but the problem there is we are in essence - as an institution - aiding the confusion because athletics and administration are branding and marketing in two completely different ways.

Speaking of branding, the below came from a link provided by a friend on facebook:

Quote:...Branding is not marketing. Rather it is an integral part of your marketing strategy. It's also an important part of how you interact with clients, prospects, vendors, employees, and anyone else with whom you come in contact. Branding creates an image.

Proper branding creates loyalty. For example, what soda do you drink? What supermarket do you use? What's your favorite brand of gasoline? Take this exercise a step further. What image comes to mind when you think of the Sears? Neiman Marcus? Wal-Mart? Chances are that, unless you've had a bad experience at one of these stores, your perception is a result of branding strategy.

There are said to be 5 levels of brand recognition:

Brand rejection

If someone associates your brand with something negative, they will purposely avoid your product. Have you ever experienced bad service somewhere and swore you’d never return to that chain? Have any of your customers said that about your business? Create a logo and slogan that is filled with great benefits to your customer and put that on everything. If public opinion is turning against you or your product, launch a campaign to alter it.

Brand non-recognition

This is where your customers simply don’t recognize your brand… probably because it is not clearly differentiated from competitors. Boldly state your product or service’s benefits. Always include the full trademark name whenever you refer to your product. Be willing to create brand names for your products or services, just like you’ve done for your own business. Find the differences in value between your product and your competitors and highlight that difference mercilessly.

Brand recognition

This is a good stage to aim for if you don’t have any recognition at all. Brand recognition will help people lean toward your product when given the choice between your product and one they have never heard of. At the same time, though remember that your competitors are also working on brand recognition, which means their brand could be more recognizable. Continue to differentiate yourself and be sure to add value to your product in order to get to the next stage.

Brand preference

This is where customers – given a choice between two brands – will choose yours over someone else’s. It often is the result of a sense of differentiation and that your product or service uniquely serves their needs. As well, you can be sure that any value-added products or services you include help them to choose yours over your competitors. Even though this is a great stage to be in, it’s not the final stage. The stage you absolutely want to be in with your brand is…

Brand loyalty

This is where customers will choose your brand time and time again, even if they experience the occasional poor service or if another product comes along that seems to be better suited to their needs. To achieve brand loyalty, you need to provide a product that is highly differentiated, with plenty of value added, but also you need to offer them remarkable service at a level they will not get anywhere else. Providing this level of service will ensure that they will never switch.


How To Create An Effective Brand Name

One thing you'll notice about many of the most widely known brands is that they're simple and easily remembered, often consisting of just a three-letter acronym such as: IBM, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, BBC, etc.

Others are equally as memorable because they use words we already know such as: Apple, Windows, Brother, Cannon, etc.

However, there are also many more obscure or made-up words used to create brand names. Words such as: Xerox, Compaq, eBay, Yahoo, etc.

This shows that, when it comes to branding, "it ain't what you got, it's the way that you use it" that matters.


The Logo

Just like brand names, the most effective brands have very simple, easily identified logos. A simple rule of thumb is that if you can't look at a logo for just 10 seconds then draw it with pen and paper -- it's too complex. Good examples of simple but very effective logos are those used by Mercedes, McDonalds, and the Yellow Pages.

If people can't remember what your logo looks like, they won't recognize it and they won't remember your brand. In its simplest form, your logo can simply be the brand-name itself, usually rendered in a tasteful font using contrasting colors.

And don't underestimate the importance of colors -- some companies have even trademarked the colors they're using as part of their branding!

IBM isn't called "Big Blue" for nothing -- and surely you've heard of "The Golden Arches" that identify McDonalds?

In fact, the whole process of designing the shape and color-scheme for a logo can be so critical that you might want to fork out good money to pay an expert to do the job.
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