(05-12-2013 07:03 PM)kobe Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 06:58 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 06:27 PM)kobe Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 03:30 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 02:46 PM)kobe Wrote:  I am waiting for my apologies from the usual suspects who berated me on the Realignment Thread.

Sure thing... I'm sorry you're such a glass half empty toolbag.

...who has been correct on every element of realignment regarding the ACC.

show me where you called Syracuse/Pitt to the ACC. Show me where you said Maryland was going to leave the ACC. Show me where you said the ACC would get a Grant of Rights signed. Been correct on every element of realignment regarding the ACC? Come on. You are just as clueless about realignment as everyone else is, right up until something happens.

I was ridiculed on the Realignment Thread for saying the ACC wouldn't get raided when everyone thought it was a foregone conclusion. I also tried to explain the reasons why UConn was considered much more favorably than UC but I was called a Louisville fan and a troll...

How do those to things make you right about "every element of realignment regarding the ACC"? You are just as clueless as everyone else, no need to pretend you know more.

(05-12-2013 07:03 PM)kobe Wrote:  I was ridiculed on the Realignment Thread

(05-12-2013 02:46 PM)kobe Wrote:  I am waiting for my apologies from the usual suspects who berated me on the Realignment Thread

(05-12-2013 06:51 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 06:11 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Shoulda called this the prozac thread. Each if you needs about 80 mg pr. Whatever conference we are in it wont stop me buying tickets. Support your alma mater, thats the only possible way we have of stopping this from getting worse.

Well, duuuuhh... I never planned any differently, and I hope most on this board would do the same. There is a difference between withdrawing support and expressing concern.

And keep those donations coming (IF you can).

No kidding. Core will not change. It's the rest of the city that we have been desperately courting for the last decade that will have no interest in this crappy conference.

Better make an impact in year #1 because once the new car smell wears off I dread what those attendance numbers could look like in year 2 against the rest of this mess sans UL if this season is not stellar.

Said it before -- you can't sell a major league town on a minor league product.

The AAC is a minor league product. It'd play well in Toledo, but Cincinnati isn't going to accept it.

(05-12-2013 07:47 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 06:51 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 06:11 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Shoulda called this the prozac thread. Each if you needs about 80 mg pr. Whatever conference we are in it wont stop me buying tickets. Support your alma mater, thats the only possible way we have of stopping this from getting worse.

Well, duuuuhh... I never planned any differently, and I hope most on this board would do the same. There is a difference between withdrawing support and expressing concern.

And keep those donations coming (IF you can).

No kidding. Core will not change. It's the rest of the city that we have been desperately courting for the last decade that will have no interest in this crappy conference.

Better make an impact in year #1 because once the new car smell wears off I dread what those attendance numbers could look like in year 2 against the rest of this mess sans UL if this season is not stellar.

x2.

A friend and I had this conversation today, and he made a very good point. Dr. Ono and Mr. Babcock truly don't know what it was like during the 80's (how could they), and don't fully realize that any length of time in a minor conference is a first class ticket back to the dark ages of UC football. Maybe Santa and Whit should have a little conversation with Urban Meyer about his playing days.

I know that in mid-November 1986, UC hosted East Carolina for a season ending chance to have a winning season. It did rain most of the game. Yet there were no more than 1,000 people inside Nippert at any time including the players. UC lost 32-19.

Of course, one does not have to look that far back. In 2002, UC had home crowds of 9,600 and 14,000. 14,000 again in 2003. 15,000 in 2004. 15,800 in 2006.

Since I was one of the few that attended that dreadful game in '86, I will always support the Bearcats on the field. But much to Rath's point above, there will only be a few.

(05-12-2013 09:21 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 07:57 AM)BearChatter v2.0 Wrote:  I'm not just being a homer Bearcat fan when I say this, but I strongly feel that the ACC missed a great opportunity by not adding UC. UC's football and basketball program is alot better than many of the programs they already have. And it would have given them a location in B1G area.

UC is a much improved school in all areas, not just sports. A missed opportunity that would have made the ACC probably the best b-ball conference and a much improved football conference.

You could make the case that UC is better NOW than half the teams in the Power 5, problem is in the past the adm. was content to sit in the Mo. Valley, Metro, Great Midwest,etc. instead of ramping up and trying for admission in the 1970's,1980's or 1990's into one of these Power 5 conferences. AS always, as one great writer once said, Cincy is 50 years behind time. For once, Koch hit it spot on today, we are where we are, apparently we were not even next in line ( as most thought ), for entrance into the ACC. Unless the Big XII is forced to expand to have a league championship, UC is surely stuck in this new league of havenots and will, unfortunately, regress because of the huge disparity of money between the haves and havenots.

There was no such thing as a "power 5" in the olden days. The current stratification didnt begin in earnest until the realignment shifts of the early 90s when the major independent football programs settled into conference homes.

Consider the metro conference. It's membership included UC, UofL, Memphis, Southern Miss, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Tulane, South Carolina, Saint Louis and Florida State.

That's pretty damn major. The problem was being unable to parlay the basketball association into an all sports league. I think Louisville could have made that happen if it wasn't for some short sighted administrators at the time that couldn't see the forest for the trees when it came to revenue sharing.

(05-12-2013 10:25 AM)kobe Wrote:  

Quote:Although no vote was taken that would have determined whether UC or Connecticut was next in line, the official said it was clear from the tone of the discussions that Connecticut was viewed more favorably than UC.

I tried to tell people this and I was labeled a Louisville fan troll. Sucks that I was right though. Connecticut is clearly favored more than Cincinnati and if/when the ACC decides to expand to 16 (I also told you guys the ACC wouldn't be raided), UConn would be the favorite.

Get used to the American guys, it is our new home.

Doesn't much matter that UCONN was viewed more favorably than Cincinnati. If the ACC expands to 16, they have to take two and I don't see Notre Dame joining as a full member. If they take two, it is UCONN and UC or UCONN and USF.

Koch did a good job with this story but the headline was horrible. The Enquirer seems to be trying to provide more UC coverage but it appears they're the gang who can't shoot straight. A disservice to Koch to carelessly place this misleading headline on his story.
Koch's "source" says UCONN was ahead of UC. Who really knows. I think vabearcat's point is a good one--these moves usually come in pairs so it could well be UCONN and UC moving together someday. I think the national perception will quickly follow our belief that UC and UCONN are the top programs in the AAC.

(05-12-2013 09:06 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Koch doesn't write the headlines so I'm not blaming him as much as the Enquirer but this is a huge problem in this city. No other city newspaper is going to paint the local university in such a negative light. And I don't want to hear its not the local medias role to promote the local university, go elsewhere and it's EXPECTED that the media paints the local university in a positive light.

They generate sensationalist headlines to garner interest, and it extends beyond Bearcat sports. I guess that's what happens when your parent company is performing poorly and competition from a variety of media makes making money even more difficult.

The other day the front page showed a pictured of a pile of garbage with headlines that said the current budget will mean more rats, garbage, tall grass, etc.

Fear generates sales, but it doesn't work for me. The Enquirer is turning me off.

(05-12-2013 07:03 PM)kobe Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 06:58 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 06:27 PM)kobe Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 03:30 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(05-12-2013 02:46 PM)kobe Wrote:  I am waiting for my apologies from the usual suspects who berated me on the Realignment Thread.

Sure thing... I'm sorry you're such a glass half empty toolbag.

...who has been correct on every element of realignment regarding the ACC.

show me where you called Syracuse/Pitt to the ACC. Show me where you said Maryland was going to leave the ACC. Show me where you said the ACC would get a Grant of Rights signed. Been correct on every element of realignment regarding the ACC? Come on. You are just as clueless about realignment as everyone else is, right up until something happens.

I was ridiculed on the Realignment Thread for saying the ACC wouldn't get raided when everyone thought it was a foregone conclusion. I also tried to explain the reasons why UConn was considered much more favorably than UC but I was called a Louisville fan and a troll...

And what have you done to change that???? you relish in the fact that 1 individual said UConn was the favorite over UC...you claim to be a UC supporter (very doubtful) and you been on this board for a few months and all your posts are gloating over the fact UC did not get into the ACC...yea...your a UC or I mean Louisville or is it UC....probably Louisville supporter..

I don't understand why the local media tries to sabotage everything that UC does. UC gets better and fairer coverage from the national people, CBS Sports, Dennis Dodd's recent article, than the hometown paper.. I just don't get it.

I think, we are at a crossroads.... It seems logical that the Big 12 will have to expand... If we have a shot at that, then full go ahead... If it turns out we can not get out of the AAC, do we have to re-think everything... Do we then put everything into basketball and join the A-10.. Having said that,,, I am holding out that the football side of things work out.

The A-10.....let's hold off for a minute...sinking pretty low...

(05-13-2013 11:29 AM)KCat Wrote:  If it turns out we can not get out of the AAC, do we have to re-think everything...

No, we don't have to rethink anything.

Step 1: Win the AAC outright this season and go to the last BCS bowl game and WIN THE BCS BOWL GAME!!

Step 2: Go undefeated, or no more than 1 loss, and be the top ranked "group of 5" team so that we can get the automatic invite for the "Access" bowl. The only real competition is Boise State (as independents are not counted in the group of 5 schools). if we can consistently be the team that qualifies out of the group of five, and we win that game, our profile will be fine.

Step 3: Get a 20 + win season, win the AAC BBall tourney, kick arse in March Madness

Step 4: Repeat steps 2 and 3.

(05-13-2013 11:29 AM)KCat Wrote:  Do we then put everything into basketball and join the A-10.. Having said that,,, I am holding out that the football side of things work out.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!! We don't have to change anything, we just have to keep winning consistently!!

The AAC is far better than the decimated A10. UCONN has won more national championships (3) than anyone since '99; Memphis has been in the national championship game under Coach Cal and Temple is always very tough. Along with UC that's a strong top four. With SMU's current coach and Houston's tradition it's certainly possible that another program will emerge as a player too. AAC basketball isn't the Big East but no league is or ever will be.

(05-13-2013 12:16 PM)indycat Wrote:  The AAC is far better than the decimated A10. UCONN has won more national championships (3) than anyone since '99; Memphis has been in the national championship game under Coach Cal and Temple is always very tough. Along with UC that's a strong top four. With SMU's current coach and Houston's tradition it's certainly possible that another program will emerge as a player too. AAC basketball isn't the Big East but no league is or ever will be.

Just a thought, I think the new realigned ACC will become the best BB conference ever.

(05-13-2013 11:29 AM)KCat Wrote:  I don't understand why the local media tries to sabotage everything that UC does. UC gets better and fairer coverage from the national people, CBS Sports, Dennis Dodd's recent article, than the hometown paper.. I just don't get it.

It is ingrained here. For some reason, it makes the media and 50% of the town feel better to have UC to kick around. I heard during my lunch hour that d-bag Cunningham creaming his pants about UC's predicament. These dumb arses don't get that this university is in their town and they should be bending over backward painting it in a positive light. UC just lost out on an additional 18M/yr in television revenue. UC being in a power conference is good for the local economy. What about UC's exclusion don't these jackwagons get?

I think, we are at a crossroads.... It seems logical that the Big 12 will have to expand... If we have a shot at that, then full go ahead... If it turns out we can not get out of the AAC, do we have to re-think everything... Do we then put everything into basketball and join the A-10.. Having said that,,, I am holding out that the football side of things work out.

(05-13-2013 05:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 11:29 AM)KCat Wrote:  I don't understand why the local media tries to sabotage everything that UC does. UC gets better and fairer coverage from the national people, CBS Sports, Dennis Dodd's recent article, than the hometown paper.. I just don't get it.

It is ingrained here. For some reason, it makes the media and 50% of the town feel better to have UC to kick around. I heard during my lunch hour that d-bag Cunningham creaming his pants about UC's predicament. These dumb arses don't get that this university is in their town and they should be bending over backward painting it in a positive light. UC just lost out on an additional 18M/yr in television revenue. UC being in a power conference is good for the local economy. What about UC's exclusion don't these jackwagons get?

I think, we are at a crossroads.... It seems logical that the Big 12 will have to expand... If we have a shot at that, then full go ahead... If it turns out we can not get out of the AAC, do we have to re-think everything... Do we then put everything into basketball and join the A-10.. Having said that,,, I am holding out that the football side of things work out.

Most in this city would rather cut off their nose to spite their face....

Many do not get that UC being in a power conf not only helps the University, but the local region's economy. Unfortunately, most of those individuals are in the local media and politics.

Shame too that the state of Ohio doesn't see the enhanced revenue opportunity and do everything in their power to make sure that the state's "other" major research university returns to power five conference status. Small minds that believe this in any way diminishes tOSU's stature are also cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

(05-14-2013 12:25 PM)indycat Wrote:  Shame too that the state of Ohio doesn't see the enhanced revenue opportunity and do everything in their power to make sure that the state's "other" major research university returns to power five conference status. Small minds that believe this in any way diminishes tOSU's stature are also cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

Good post. UK didn't want any piece of UofL on an annual basis until the KY legislature mandated that the schools play each other every year. Initially, UK had the upper hand, but with UofL getting increased exposure and winning at an increasing rate in football, basketball and baseball, UofL elevated itself. And now-the last two national college basketball champions--UK and UofL. The cretins in the Ohio General Assembly in Columbus don't want the same thing to happen in Ohio, because they are lap dogs for everything OSU. They don't recognize, or don't want to recognize, how UC's national prominence benefits the entire state and helps create additional jobs, income and recognition for the State. A lot of this haughty attitude goes back to the 1961 and 1962 national championships won by UC over O$U. It is not an accident that O$U would not play UC for 50 years thereafter. And no one in any State-wide politically important position wants to require or mandate that O$U do whatever the Suckeyes don't want to do.