(05-06-2013 09:46 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 09:35 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 09:09 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:52 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:34 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Agreed. Cincy is a much better candidate. While UCONN is a much better name brand, even ECU is a better candidate for an eastern add to appease WVU. UCONN is just too far away and would always be an island.

My opinion is that their choices are either stand pat or got to 14 like the SEC. I wager they stand pat.

If the Big 12 adds two to go to 12 (and a championship game) than UConn and Cincinnati would BOTH be viable programs. The Big 12 is already in the east with West Virginia are BOTH programs are Big 12 quality ... or at least the two best options ... by far.

UCONN isn't the best eastern option for a football first conference like the B12. The best two schools in this conference to pair with WV are Cincy and ECU in my opinion. Both schools are B12 football ready, and ECU is a very marketable school to pair up with WV—the Mountaineers and Pirates are coming to town on back to back weekends.

Oh good god ---- ECU barely got an invite to the depleted AAC. Be reasonable at least.

I think different metrics are at work here... I think what hurt ECU in the eyes of the old-Big East and the new AAC was the reality that ECU (1) isn't located in a major urban center (the old "Metro" idea) and that (2) ECU isn't a historic BB power program. Both of these factors seriously cast doubt on ECU's suitability for the old BE and the AAC as it formed and tried to figure out it's identity.

The B12 is not concerned with either of these factors. They are concerned with other things completely...

What ECU has going for it is that it draws good crowds for football.

What it has going against it are the following:

1. Not a particularly good football program. Only 5 winning seasons in the past 12 years.
2. Bad basketball program.
3. Bad basketball attendance.
4. Limited market due to heavy competition instate.

I don't think their inability to get into the Big East had anything to do with a metro focus. West Virginia and Virginia Tech are not in big urban markets. And Syracuse isn't a particularly big urban market. Neither is,New Brunswick, NJ

My comments:

(05-06-2013 01:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  The fact is, there really is only about 5 or 6 legit candidates for B12 expansion now, should they eventually decide to expand. They will likely be in pairs to get to either 12 or 14. So, legitimately, you are only looking at the following:

USF/UCF (the best combo left on the board, imo. Agree
Cincy/BYU (I'd rate this one above USF/UCF, but I don't think BYU is a legit candidate...as of now) Agree.... BYU will never sunrrender its independence to Texas.

Cincy/UConn-B1G or ACC

Or you go with a foursome to get to 14. USF, UCF, UC and either UConn or ECU. I think UConn belongs more in ACC though.

The most logical choices: ECU and UC are the best partners for WV. UCF and USF have the markets and recruiting the B12 wants.

UH, Temple, and Memhis could also be candidates under the right scenarios. I give them no shot because Houston doesn't add to a market that's already dominated by the B12. Furthermore, the B12 doesn't want to improve the recruiting of another Texas school, which would occur if Houston joins the B12. Temple and Memphis are not good fits for a football first conference.

Those are THE only candidates for B12 expansion...period. If you are a USF, UCF, UC, etc. fan...hope for B12 movement. True, and ECU....

One thing to note. There is always more movement. To think realignment has magically stopped...well, I don't think is realistic. There will be more eventually.

I think if not having a championship game adversely effects the B12 in the upcoming college playoff, it will seek to expand. Moreover, I think the B12 will eventually see its incompleteness of not having a championship game when compared to the other power conference. Therefore, it may seek to expand....

Let's just remember, neither scenario is extremely likely.

(05-06-2013 02:05 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Let's just remember, neither scenario is extremely likely.

Disagree...it's very likely...eventually. There is ALWAYS more movement. Realignment has never stopped...in the history of college football. Now, how long is "eventually"? Don't know. My guess is 2-3 years at most.

Well here we go again. 100 pages of what ifs and your school is not fit to be chosen by Big 12.
Knock yourselves out. I will wait until there is an official announcement

(05-06-2013 01:54 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 09:46 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 09:35 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 09:09 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:52 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  If the Big 12 adds two to go to 12 (and a championship game) than UConn and Cincinnati would BOTH be viable programs. The Big 12 is already in the east with West Virginia are BOTH programs are Big 12 quality ... or at least the two best options ... by far.

UCONN isn't the best eastern option for a football first conference like the B12. The best two schools in this conference to pair with WV are Cincy and ECU in my opinion. Both schools are B12 football ready, and ECU is a very marketable school to pair up with WV—the Mountaineers and Pirates are coming to town on back to back weekends.

Oh good god ---- ECU barely got an invite to the depleted AAC. Be reasonable at least.

I think different metrics are at work here... I think what hurt ECU in the eyes of the old-Big East and the new AAC was the reality that ECU (1) isn't located in a major urban center (the old "Metro" idea) and that (2) ECU isn't a historic BB power program. Both of these factors seriously cast doubt on ECU's suitability for the old BE and the AAC as it formed and tried to figure out it's identity.

The B12 is not concerned with either of these factors. They are concerned with other things completely...

What ECU has going for it is that it draws good crowds for football.

What it has going against it are the following:

1. Not a particularly good football program. Only 5 winning seasons in the past 12 years.
2. Bad basketball program.
3. Bad basketball attendance.
4. Limited market due to heavy competition instate.

I don't think there inability to get into the Big East had anything to do with a metro focus. West Virginia and Virginia Tech are not in big urban markets. And Syracuse isn't a particularly big urban market. Neither is,New Brunswick, NJ

The metro thing wasn't a big deal in the early 90's. TV money was nothing compared to what it is now. That wasn't the deal with 2.0.

We do have a plague with the rest though.

I just wanna play AAC football

(05-06-2013 02:11 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Well here we go again. 100 pages of what ifs and your school is not fit to be chosen by Big 12.
Knock yourselves out. I will wait until there is an official announcement

Agree. At some point people are going to realize they really are just fine at 10.

(05-06-2013 01:42 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:34 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:06 AM)True Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 07:51 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I've read that along with Cincinnati that UConn is also a possible B12 candidate. UConn would provide that travel partner that West Virginia has been asking for.

How would UCONN be the the travel partner when Cincinnati is closer?

Agreed. Cincy is a much better candidate. While UCONN is a much better name brand, even ECU is a better candidate for an eastern add to appease WVU. UCONN is just too far away and would always be an island.

My opinion is that their choices are either stand pat or got to 14 like the SEC. I wager they stand pat.

If UConn is too far away, how is ECU a better Easter add? The two of them are about the same distance from West Virginia. When you factor in airport access, Hartford is better for connections than Greenville, making them actually better for travel to Morgantown (Pittsburgh airport) than ECU.

I'm not really interested in joining the Big 12, but just as a factual matter ECU is as much out there on an island as ECU since the distance to ECU is about the same.

The other factor is that In terms of TV benefit, UConn brings its entire state while ECU shares its state with 2 other state universities, 2 BCS private universities, an NFL franchise, and an NBA team.

Does UConn actually bring in an entire state for football? They are the state university, but the state itself is full of New Yorkers.

As a name they are very valuable in bball.

I just don't think the other conferences are going to tolerate the Big 12 not having a loser like everyone else does in a Championship game. The 2nd place Big 12 team now will have a huge advantage over all the other conferences when it comes time to get a 2nd team in the 6 major bowls or in the playoff of four.

Haha, some random article names schools and all of a sudden people feel important...

(05-06-2013 02:12 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  I just wanna play AAC football

Me too. The opportunity for conference championships is enough for me. I also like where we could stand in recruiting against UCF, UConn, and Temple on their grounds.

(05-06-2013 02:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 02:11 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Well here we go again. 100 pages of what ifs and your school is not fit to be chosen by Big 12.
Knock yourselves out. I will wait until there is an official announcement

Agree. At some point people are going to realize they really are just fine at 10.

The B12 said that it was satisfied at ten while targeting FSU, Miami, and Clemson. The ACC knew what was about to occur and acted accordingly. Consequently, the only option at eventually increasing its eastern footprint is the AAC.

(05-06-2013 07:56 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 07:46 AM)TripleA Wrote:  You left out the line that USF and UCF aren't really viable TV/financial options.

Also, this is simply a speculative piece bemoaning the ACC GoR removing the best expansion candidates from the B12. No quotes from the B12 or anybody else.

I wasn't trying to quote the entire article, and you're entitled to your opinion about it.... If you look at it logically, the only other option the B12 has at expanding is the MWC. However, the better markets and recruiting are in the east, which gives the AAC a big advantage over the MWC. The B12 is an incomplete conference just based on its name and the amount of schools that it has. Moreover, not having a championship game makes it look even more incomplete when compared to the other power conferences.

Since we are all dreaming; IMO some schools in the MWC would get a look. Those schools would primaily be SDSU and Boise State. Some outside shots would be Fresno State, UNLV, Air Force and Colorado State.

BYU is an independent; but you would think they might get a sniff as well.

I do tend to think the if the BIG XII expands they may lean towards an eastern or central partner(s). Who knows for sure; we'll just have to wait and see. I do think the BIG XII will take at least 2 more schools sooner rather than later.

If I am really going to dream I would love the Aztecs to be a member of the PAC... like I said, dream big.

(05-06-2013 02:08 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 02:05 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Let's just remember, neither scenario is extremely likely.

Disagree...it's very likely...eventually. There is ALWAYS more movement. Realignment has never stopped...in the history of college football. Now, how long is "eventually"? Don't know. My guess is 2-3 years at most.

Right now Big 12 makes $26 million per team.
What Team in the AAC, Sun, WAC, Mac, Conf USA can bring that?
Here's the answer: Zero, zilch, nada, none!
All will B quiet from the Big 5 for 12 years
Then the next 'rumble will begin

(05-06-2013 02:26 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 07:56 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 07:46 AM)TripleA Wrote:  You left out the line that USF and UCF aren't really viable TV/financial options.

Also, this is simply a speculative piece bemoaning the ACC GoR removing the best expansion candidates from the B12. No quotes from the B12 or anybody else.

I wasn't trying to quote the entire article, and you're entitled to your opinion about it.... If you look at it logically, the only other option the B12 has at expanding is the MWC. However, the better markets and recruiting are in the east, which gives the AAC a big advantage over the MWC. The B12 is an incomplete conference just based on its name and the amount of schools that it has. Moreover, not having a championship game makes it look even more incomplete when compared to the other power conferences.

Since we are all dreaming; IMO some schools in the MWC would get a look. Those schools would primaily be SDSU and Boise State. Some outside shots would be Fresno State, UNLV, Air Force and Colorado State.

BYU is an independent; but you would think they might get a sniff as well.

I do tend to think the if the BIG XII expands they may lean towards an eastern or central partner(s). Who knows for sure; we'll just have to wait and see. I do think the BIG XII will take at least 2 more schools sooner rather than later.

I think if the B12 attempts a move into PAC 12 markets, the PAC 12 would eventually attempt to pick it apart with the help of B1Greed and S-ign E-ach C-heck for over $28 million a school.

(05-06-2013 02:28 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 02:08 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 02:05 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Let's just remember, neither scenario is extremely likely.

Disagree...it's very likely...eventually. There is ALWAYS more movement. Realignment has never stopped...in the history of college football. Now, how long is "eventually"? Don't know. My guess is 2-3 years at most.

Right now Big 12 makes $26 million per team.
What Team in the AAC, Sun, WAC, Mac, Conf USA can bring that?
Here's the answer: Zero, zilch, nada, none!
All will B quiet from the Big 5 for 12 years
Then the next 'rumble will begin

There is only one thing that I could see influencing them to step for another school, is an act of internal politics that none of us will see. In a short amount of time, will FOX go to the B12 and say "hey we need a championship game from you. We'll amend our agreement accordingly."?

(05-06-2013 02:18 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Does UConn actually bring in an entire state for football? They are the state university, but the state itself is full of New Yorkers.

As a name they are very valuable in bball.

What? CT is not even close to being full of NY'ers. To the extent that folks in CT care about college sports, UConn completely dominates the state. From Hartford-New Haven to Fairfield County (which is included in NYC's media market). College football is growing in popularity here, but has not been a huge factor historically.

(05-06-2013 03:00 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 02:18 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Does UConn actually bring in an entire state for football? They are the state university, but the state itself is full of New Yorkers.

As a name they are very valuable in bball.

What? CT is not even close to being full of NY'ers. To the extent that folks in CT care about college sports, UConn completely dominates the state. From Hartford-New Haven to Fairfield County (which is included in NYC's media market). College football is growing in popularity here, but has not been a huge factor historically.

That's good to know. I just thought that the people that were commuting to and from Connecticut to the city took a hit out of you guys. That's my mistake.

(05-06-2013 03:03 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 03:00 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 02:18 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Does UConn actually bring in an entire state for football? They are the state university, but the state itself is full of New Yorkers.

As a name they are very valuable in bball.

What? CT is not even close to being full of NY'ers. To the extent that folks in CT care about college sports, UConn completely dominates the state. From Hartford-New Haven to Fairfield County (which is included in NYC's media market). College football is growing in popularity here, but has not been a huge factor historically.

That's good to know. I just thought that the people that were commuting to and from Connecticut to the city took a hit out of you guys. That's my mistake.

No problem. CT is a really misunderstood state.

Of course you do have some people in soutwestern CT who are from NY originally and you have people from CT who commute to work in NY. Many people in southwestern CT do identify with NY to an extent as far as not being New Englanders and rooting for NY pro sports teams.

However for college sports, the whole state roots for UConn. The heart of UConn country, the central and eastern part of the state, barely identify with NY at all and is much more New England oriented.

UConn is the unifying factor in CT sports that pulls Yankees and Red Sox fans, Giants and Pats fans together to root for the only team with our state on the jerseys.