And quite honestly I think that is the one negative thing about not having a draft. Every able bodied and sound minded man in a nation should be able to use a rifle, even if they don't own one.

(05-03-2013 12:03 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  And quite honestly I think that is the one negative thing about not having a draft. Every able bodied and sound minded man in a nation should be able to use a rifle, even if they don't own one.

I think every male should do 2 years of service after HS and then the government funds a portion of their education in return.

(05-03-2013 11:54 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 11:40 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 11:33 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 11:12 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 11:09 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Of course its bluster.

However you inadvertently made my point about the 2nd Amendment. Its primary purpose is to allow citizens to form militia's to fight an oppressive government (or an invading army). We're supposed to have the capability to overthrow that oppressive government. And with semi-auto rifles that's impossible to accomplish. I'm not saying the average citizen should own M16's and tanks. Saying that the average citizen should be trained and fully capable of utilizing them to go to war.

With that said, we're not near the point of having an all out tyrannical government. Therefore I don't support any talks of Revolution.

In order to close that gap, would you rather bring the military training and arms down or raise the average civilian up to meet it?

The latter of course.

F-35s for everybody!

Your reading comprehension sucks. I didn't say the average citizen should own those weapons. Read above in the quotes where I conveniently just bolded that the people should be trained accordingly. Far different than the average citizens owning air planes, tanks, and rocket launchers.

ok...
F-35 training for everybody!

The government is making a HUGE mistake by continuing to treat the US like a warzone. Drones, live fire exercises in cities, and Martial Law for a few examples are causing people to rise in arms, as this poll proves.

I for one believe Newtown was spot-lighted by the media to make the general public believe "crazy red-necks" were buying guns b/c they were worried about gun rights being taken... the truth being far from that, in that people are preparing for a civil war. You can turn the TV on to Doomsday Preppers if you don't believe me - it's in color too.

The silver-lining is that the people in this survey are basically upset about rights being taken, not for demanding "rights" that never were like the left does. Almost everyone in my area believes those rights are from God himself, and worth fighting for... Now when you have HALF of a state's population that encompasses 3/4 of the state's land, bordering Washington DC, ready to fight for rights inalienable that King Brak'O'blamo is hell-bent on taking from us - who do you blame? The peasants or the Marie Antoinette?

(05-03-2013 12:13 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  The government is making a HUGE mistake by continuing to treat the US like a warzone. Drones, live fire exercises in cities, and Martial Law for a few examples are causing people to rise in arms...

Where in creation do you live...honestly?

(05-03-2013 12:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 12:13 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  The government is making a HUGE mistake by continuing to treat the US like a warzone. Drones, live fire exercises in cities, and Martial Law for a few examples are causing people to rise in arms...

Where in creation do you live...honestly?

haha, simple tom. If it isn't happening right in front of him (w/ a guide to help him understand it) then it must not exist!

(05-03-2013 12:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 12:13 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  The government is making a HUGE mistake by continuing to treat the US like a warzone. Drones, live fire exercises in cities, and Martial Law for a few examples are causing people to rise in arms...

Where in creation do you live...honestly?

To prove you an idiot.

Quote:S.1867, or the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for the fiscal year of 2012, passed with a resounding 93-7 vote.

That’s right, 93 of our Senators voted to literally eviscerate what little rights were still protected after the PATRIOT Act was hastily pushed in the wake of the tragic events of September 11th, 2001.

The NDAA cuts Pentagon spending by $43 billion from last year’s budget, a number so insignificant when compared to the $662 billion still (officially) allocated, it is almost laughable

or from your beloved ACLU:

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-securi...fine-being

Quote:Senators Demand the Military Lock Up of American Citizens in a “Battlefield” They Define as Being Right Outside Your Window

By Chris Anders, Senior Legislative Counsel, ACLU Washington Legislative Office at 10:46am


UPDATE III: The Senate rejected the Udall amendment 38-60.

While nearly all Americans head to family and friends to celebrate Thanksgiving, the Senate is gearing up for a vote on Monday or Tuesday that goes to the very heart of who we are as Americans. The Senate will be voting on a bill that will direct American military resources not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war zone, but at American citizens and other civilians far from any battlefield — even people in the United States itself.

Senators need to hear from you, on whether you think your front yard is part of a “battlefield” and if any president can send the military anywhere in the world to imprison civilians without charge or trial.

The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. Even Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) raised his concerns about the NDAA detention provisions during last night’s Republican debate. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.

The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday. The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.

(05-03-2013 12:13 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  The government is making a HUGE mistake by continuing to treat the US like a warzone. Drones, live fire exercises in cities, and Martial Law for a few examples are causing people to rise in arms, as this poll proves.

I for one believe Newtown was spot-lighted by the media to make the general public believe "crazy red-necks" were buying guns b/c they were worried about gun rights being taken... the truth being far from that, in that people are preparing for a civil war. You can turn the TV on to Doomsday Preppers if you don't believe me - it's in color too.

The silver-lining is that the people in this survey are basically upset about rights being taken, not for demanding "rights" that never were like the left does. Almost everyone in my area believes those rights are from God himself, and worth fighting for... Now when you have HALF of a state's population that encompasses 3/4 of the state's land, bordering Washington DC, ready to fight for rights inalienable that King Brak'O'blamo is hell-bent on taking from us - who do you blame? The peasants or the Marie Antoinette?

Hmm, this sort of language is getting more commonplace

http://accordingtohoyt.com/2013/05/02/sa...his-union/

(05-03-2013 12:05 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I think every male should do 2 years of service after HS and then the government funds a portion of their education in return.

I have wondered if that would benefit people and society as a whole. Don't leave out the women either. They should at least join Americorp or a similar service.

When I lived in New Jersey it was pretty close to Fairleigh Dickinson University so I got to know a bit about it. There's a reason why the locals refer to it as Fairly Rediculous U.

(05-03-2013 02:05 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Hmm, this sort of language is getting more commonplace

http://accordingtohoyt.com/2013/05/02/sa...his-union/

Yeah, you see I have spoken out to Governors, Congressman, Senators... I've been in their offices and sat across their desks on things as important as Energy to as simple as National land accessibility, and assure you they couldn't give a rat's behind what you have to say - D & R.

So that article is nice, and politically correct... but in actuality, it's incorrect. Talking went out the window last November.

(05-03-2013 11:31 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 11:26 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 10:29 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 10:26 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I highly doubt its going to happen. Sadly I say we're leaning more towards a Civil War than an revolution. Not saying a Civil War will happen either. I think people needs to work together rather than being pissed off about everything. Polarization is scary sh*t tho.

Come on now, it's just bluster.

With our obesity epidemic, what portion of Americans can run a mile, let alone launch a revolution? A bunch of uneducated tubbies with semi-auto rifles taking on the US military?

Hilarious.

Which is exactly what the Brits thought about those pioneers across the pond.

You'd be better off referencing the French revolution. Then again, you'd be better off referencing something less than 200 years old.

Very short timeline in history, most consider it such.

(05-03-2013 04:05 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 11:31 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 11:26 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 10:29 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 10:26 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I highly doubt its going to happen. Sadly I say we're leaning more towards a Civil War than an revolution. Not saying a Civil War will happen either. I think people needs to work together rather than being pissed off about everything. Polarization is scary sh*t tho.

Come on now, it's just bluster.

With our obesity epidemic, what portion of Americans can run a mile, let alone launch a revolution? A bunch of uneducated tubbies with semi-auto rifles taking on the US military?

Hilarious.

Which is exactly what the Brits thought about those pioneers across the pond.

You'd be better off referencing the French revolution. Then again, you'd be better off referencing something less than 200 years old.

Very short timeline in history, most consider it such.

Not when it comes to military weaponry and tactics, it's not.

Lol.

It may be bluster, but it's bluster you NEVER heard 15 years ago. I would say it is significant because those numbers are overtaking the numbers of hard-core leftists.

(05-03-2013 12:05 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I think every male should do 2 years of service after HS and then the government funds a portion of their education in return.

I agree. I don't see much of a negative to this. People will learn civic responsibility and (hopefully) possess more respect for this country.

An armed revolution? Good luck with that. I'm sure it would go places...

(05-03-2013 10:00 PM)Claw Wrote:  It may be bluster, but it's bluster you NEVER heard 15 years ago. I would say it is significant because those numbers are overtaking the numbers of hard-core leftists.

You would've never heard of it 15 years ago because the media would've never thought of it as important to say. People have always been in fear for their liberties for whatever reason. Read newspapers from any time in American history and you'll read about the same angst. In this country, the election either went your way and everything is right with the world, or you're wholly oppressed. No middle ground.

Rather than Americans having a revolt against the government, I can see us attacking each other if the right alphabet soup of issues come up.

(05-03-2013 10:20 PM)Murray007 Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 12:05 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I think every male should do 2 years of service after HS and then the government funds a portion of their education in return.

I agree. I don't see much of a negative to this. People will learn civic responsibility and (hopefully) possess more respect for this country.

I see plenty of negatives. I've served myself, but the Military Industrial Complex is already rampant. Would you want even more of our GDP to be wrapped up in "defense" projects?

Also, when you do something like this you risk upsetting the thin line between patriotism and exceptionalism.