(05-03-2013 03:45 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 09:48 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 09:04 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 08:45 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 08:44 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Isn't the new Stadium going to built somewhere else?

If so, is there ANY chance that GaSt could buy the Ga Dome?

It's gonna be built in a space beside the Georgia Dome. Like they did with Turner Field and the old Fulton County Stadium. The dome will be torn down and probably made into parking.

Oh, so what is the problem with gast just renting that instead since it will still practicaly be on the GAST campus?

I'm pretty sure GaSt doesn't want to rent it. Not to mention Atlanta doesn't need two domed structures sitting side by side with one another.

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I think maybe you misunderstood me.
I understand that if they build the new Dome rigth next to the old one, they are going to tear the old one down. It would be strange for them to have two side by side. I was asking what the problem was with just renting the new Dome at that point like they rent the old one now?

I had gotten the wrong idea from the title of this thread since it ended in a quesiton mark. I thought it was asking where the Panthers were going to play now since I had heard that the Falcons were going to build a new Stadium that was going to be much further away from the GaSt campus AND they were tearing down the dome.
This had been a topic of discussion on the GSUFANS.COM board several months ago. It seemed that the Panthers might be about to face a problem, so I took the title of this thread to be addressing that.
Obviously they will just move over and play at the new site since it is a stones throw away. Good for them, looks like it is going to be a very nice Stadium. Should help their recruiting. It is one of the strengths that they are going to have to play to and that is all any of us can do is play the cards we are delt. Hopfully it will help to make the BELT a stronger conference.

Sorry about the confusion with the question. I used the question mark to mean "Is this what the new Falcons stadium will end up looking like and hence the structure that GaSt will be playing ball in?" I guess I should do a better job of remembering you guys can't read my thoughts. LOL

(05-03-2013 07:34 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  Sorry about the confusion with the question. I used the question mark to mean "Is this what the new Falcons stadium will end up looking like and hence the structure that GaSt will be playing ball in?" I guess I should do a better job of remembering you guys can't read my thoughts. LOL

No apology necessary. Some of us got it (hence my initial response). The rest just need to keep up!

(05-03-2013 07:34 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 03:45 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 09:48 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 09:04 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 08:45 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  It's gonna be built in a space beside the Georgia Dome. Like they did with Turner Field and the old Fulton County Stadium. The dome will be torn down and probably made into parking.

Oh, so what is the problem with gast just renting that instead since it will still practicaly be on the GAST campus?

I'm pretty sure GaSt doesn't want to rent it. Not to mention Atlanta doesn't need two domed structures sitting side by side with one another.

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I think maybe you misunderstood me.
I understand that if they build the new Dome rigth next to the old one, they are going to tear the old one down. It would be strange for them to have two side by side. I was asking what the problem was with just renting the new Dome at that point like they rent the old one now?

I had gotten the wrong idea from the title of this thread since it ended in a quesiton mark. I thought it was asking where the Panthers were going to play now since I had heard that the Falcons were going to build a new Stadium that was going to be much further away from the GaSt campus AND they were tearing down the dome.
This had been a topic of discussion on the GSUFANS.COM board several months ago. It seemed that the Panthers might be about to face a problem, so I took the title of this thread to be addressing that.
Obviously they will just move over and play at the new site since it is a stones throw away. Good for them, looks like it is going to be a very nice Stadium. Should help their recruiting. It is one of the strengths that they are going to have to play to and that is all any of us can do is play the cards we are delt. Hopfully it will help to make the BELT a stronger conference.

Sorry about the confusion with the question. I used the question mark to mean "Is this what the new Falcons stadium will end up looking like and hence the structure that GaSt will be playing ball in?" I guess I should do a better job of remembering you guys can't read my thoughts. LOL

It wasnt you, My thought process was just still that the new Falcon Stadium was set to be built far away from the current site and I guess my mind was still on the previous dicussions I had seen on our message board. After I asked the first question and looked at the model, I noticed that it appeared to be in basically the same spot as the current dome and the knee jerk reaction was... "So what's the problem for GaSt then?"

(05-02-2013 04:53 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 04:44 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  I read that the dome was configured for 28500 for GA ST how does that work.The New dome could place an emphasis on a second smaller capacity for GA ST.

Georgia State only uses the lower level inside the Dome. The upper level is not opened up for Georgia State games at this time. I believe that they did open up the upper level for there first game this past season because of the size of the crowd.

It was opened for the inaugural opener, and I think the second year opener (the endzones of the second level for student overflow), but no game last last year required that).

To add to what panama said, I would pay more to sit in the home sideline mezzanine level. The stupid thing is that they already open the Verizon Wireless club for certain-level season ticket holders (both panama and I spent a few second-halves up there last year). As the Verizon club is the concourse for the second level, all they would have to do is unlock the glass doors to the seating area, and let people sit there, so it would not be any greater expense.

(05-03-2013 11:32 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  The stupid thing is that they already open the Verizon Wireless club for certain-level season ticket holders (both panama and I spent a few second-halves up there last year). As the Verizon club is the concourse for the second level, all they would have to do is unlock the glass doors to the seating area, and let people sit there, so it would not be any greater expense.

That stinks. My guess is that it's not simply GaSt refusing to open the doors, but that GaSt and the GWC agreed that GaSt will pay $X and will have access to areas X & Y but not area Z. It would be nice to allow them to use that seating area as well.

(05-03-2013 11:32 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 04:53 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 04:44 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  I read that the dome was configured for 28500 for GA ST how does that work.The New dome could place an emphasis on a second smaller capacity for GA ST.

Georgia State only uses the lower level inside the Dome. The upper level is not opened up for Georgia State games at this time. I believe that they did open up the upper level for there first game this past season because of the size of the crowd.

It was opened for the inaugural opener, and I think the second year opener (the endzones of the second level for student overflow), but no game last last year required that).

To add to what panama said, I would pay more to sit in the home sideline mezzanine level. The stupid thing is that they already open the Verizon Wireless club for certain-level season ticket holders (both panama and I spent a few second-halves up there last year). As the Verizon club is the concourse for the second level, all they would have to do is unlock the glass doors to the seating area, and let people sit there, so it would not be any greater expense.

This is why I wouldn't be a fan of utilizing a facility that is both too large for our fan base and we don't own. You have prime seating that people want to use available but you can't use it for one reason or another.

I understand the benefits of using a world class facility like the dome or whatever else is built and there are numerous benefits. I just feel like you lose a lot of the "personal experience" by not having our own facility.

(05-03-2013 11:51 AM)Pike51 Wrote:  This is why I wouldn't be a fan of utilizing a facility that is both too large for our fan base and we don't own.... I just feel like you lose a lot of the "personal experience" by not having our own facility.

Do you think State is just too lazy or dumb to build a stadium or something? If it made since finically to have their own stadium they would build one. The Dome isn't a perfect fit, but it makes more since to play there than paying a ton of money to build a stadium in the middle of one of the largest cities in the country.

(05-03-2013 11:57 AM)sidslidkid Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 11:51 AM)Pike51 Wrote:  This is why I wouldn't be a fan of utilizing a facility that is both too large for our fan base and we don't own.... I just feel like you lose a lot of the "personal experience" by not having our own facility.

Do you think State is just too lazy or dumb to build a stadium or something? If it made since finically to have their own stadium they would build one. The Dome isn't a perfect fit, but it makes more since to play there than paying a ton of money to build a stadium in the middle of one of the largest cities in the country.

I get what they're saying about not being able to build an OCS. They wouldn't be able to do it very close to the stadium, and the land cost would be astronomical anywhere within 30 minutes of their campus. I don't see the Dome or Falcon's new as their best option; I see it as their only option.

(05-03-2013 07:34 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  Sorry about the confusion with the question. I used the question mark to mean "Is this what the new Falcons stadium will end up looking like and hence the structure that GaSt will be playing ball in?" I guess I should do a better job of remembering you guys can't read my thoughts. LOL

It was understood - but the answer to the question is "no". These ideas were the equivalent of a concept car produced by a design team to showcase what they are capable of. The final product never looks as extreme as the concept, but it might incorporate some of the ideas.

As much real estate and buildings as we have acquired over the last 40 years its amazing how little of it has benefited athletics. We acquired City Auditorium and tore down the auditorium/arena part. We didnt pursue the Atlanta Fulton County Stadium after the Olympics although granted neighborhood opposition at the time to two stadiums as well fear of acquiring a monstrosity had more to do with that. In the first stadium proposal where the Dome stayed standing it look like we would become the major tenant and we end up having the rug pulled out from under us again. Its not a bad deal to be grandfathered into the new stadium.I just wish that our administration was as proactive regarding athletics as they are about the Business and Law schools

(05-03-2013 01:16 PM)panama Wrote:  As much real estate and buildings as we have acquired over the last 40 years its amazing how little of it has benefited athletics. We acquired City Auditorium and tore down the auditorium/arena part. We didnt pursue the Atlanta Fulton County Stadium after the Olympics although granted neighborhood opposition at the time to two stadiums as well fear of acquiring a monstrosity had more to do with that. In the first stadium proposal where the Dome stayed standing it look like we would become the major tenant and we end up having the rug pulled out from under us again. Its not a bad deal to be grandfathered into the new stadium.I just wish that our administration was as proactive regarding athletics as they are about the Business and Law schools

It's a shame with the dire straights that Morris Brown College is in financially, and with their 15,000 seat stadium that the Georgia BOR couldn't acquire that campus and turn it over to Georgia State. That'd be a great place for Panthersville 2.0

(05-04-2013 02:39 AM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 01:16 PM)panama Wrote:  As much real estate and buildings as we have acquired over the last 40 years its amazing how little of it has benefited athletics. We acquired City Auditorium and tore down the auditorium/arena part. We didnt pursue the Atlanta Fulton County Stadium after the Olympics although granted neighborhood opposition at the time to two stadiums as well fear of acquiring a monstrosity had more to do with that. In the first stadium proposal where the Dome stayed standing it look like we would become the major tenant and we end up having the rug pulled out from under us again. Its not a bad deal to be grandfathered into the new stadium.I just wish that our administration was as proactive regarding athletics as they are about the Business and Law schools

It's a shame with the dire straights that Morris Brown College is in financially, and with their 15,000 seat stadium that the Georgia BOR couldn't acquire that campus and turn it over to Georgia State. That'd be a great place for Panthersville 2.0

Sounds like an idea if Georgia State wanted to pursue it. Doubt they would want the state to be overly aggressive though. The connotations might result in their looking too pushy, especially if many would think Morris Brown may be able to solve their problems eventually.

(05-04-2013 03:07 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 02:39 AM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 01:16 PM)panama Wrote:  As much real estate and buildings as we have acquired over the last 40 years its amazing how little of it has benefited athletics. We acquired City Auditorium and tore down the auditorium/arena part. We didnt pursue the Atlanta Fulton County Stadium after the Olympics although granted neighborhood opposition at the time to two stadiums as well fear of acquiring a monstrosity had more to do with that. In the first stadium proposal where the Dome stayed standing it look like we would become the major tenant and we end up having the rug pulled out from under us again. Its not a bad deal to be grandfathered into the new stadium.I just wish that our administration was as proactive regarding athletics as they are about the Business and Law schools

It's a shame with the dire straights that Morris Brown College is in financially, and with their 15,000 seat stadium that the Georgia BOR couldn't acquire that campus and turn it over to Georgia State. That'd be a great place for Panthersville 2.0

Sounds like an idea if Georgia State wanted to pursue it. Doubt they would want the state to be overly aggressive though. The connotations might result in their looking too pushy, especially if many would think Morris Brown may be able to solve their problems eventually.

Yeah, it's not worth the political hassle. There are options just as close or closer to campus on the east and southeast sides of campus. Will take some work to assemble the land. A lot of these lots of land are owned by multiple individual landowners. You may have get ten entities to agree to a sales price to get just one acre. It's hard work and involves building relationships but it's not impossible. The site of our new law school involved a land sale next to the Georgia Pacific building that took years to build a relationship with the owner and negotiate. Like I said, we have to get leadership to work as hard for Athletics as academic departments.

(05-04-2013 06:32 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 03:07 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 02:39 AM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 01:16 PM)panama Wrote:  As much real estate and buildings as we have acquired over the last 40 years its amazing how little of it has benefited athletics. We acquired City Auditorium and tore down the auditorium/arena part. We didnt pursue the Atlanta Fulton County Stadium after the Olympics although granted neighborhood opposition at the time to two stadiums as well fear of acquiring a monstrosity had more to do with that. In the first stadium proposal where the Dome stayed standing it look like we would become the major tenant and we end up having the rug pulled out from under us again. Its not a bad deal to be grandfathered into the new stadium.I just wish that our administration was as proactive regarding athletics as they are about the Business and Law schools

It's a shame with the dire straights that Morris Brown College is in financially, and with their 15,000 seat stadium that the Georgia BOR couldn't acquire that campus and turn it over to Georgia State. That'd be a great place for Panthersville 2.0

Sounds like an idea if Georgia State wanted to pursue it. Doubt they would want the state to be overly aggressive though. The connotations might result in their looking too pushy, especially if many would think Morris Brown may be able to solve their problems eventually.

Yeah, it's not worth the political hassle. There are options just as close or closer to campus on the east and southeast sides of campus. Will take some work to assemble the land. A lot of these lots of land are owned by multiple individual landowners. You may have get ten entities to agree to a sales price to get just one acre. It's hard work and involves building relationships but it's not impossible. The site of our new law school involved a land sale next to the Georgia Pacific building that took years to build a relationship with the owner and negotiate. Like I said, we have to get leadership to work as hard for Athletics as academic departments.

panama we can understand that each of our schools athletic dept has to ansewer to upper university leadership which in some cases the goal of each of these two do not agree.

(05-04-2013 07:08 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 06:32 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 03:07 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 02:39 AM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 01:16 PM)panama Wrote:  As much real estate and buildings as we have acquired over the last 40 years its amazing how little of it has benefited athletics. We acquired City Auditorium and tore down the auditorium/arena part. We didnt pursue the Atlanta Fulton County Stadium after the Olympics although granted neighborhood opposition at the time to two stadiums as well fear of acquiring a monstrosity had more to do with that. In the first stadium proposal where the Dome stayed standing it look like we would become the major tenant and we end up having the rug pulled out from under us again. Its not a bad deal to be grandfathered into the new stadium.I just wish that our administration was as proactive regarding athletics as they are about the Business and Law schools

It's a shame with the dire straights that Morris Brown College is in financially, and with their 15,000 seat stadium that the Georgia BOR couldn't acquire that campus and turn it over to Georgia State. That'd be a great place for Panthersville 2.0

Sounds like an idea if Georgia State wanted to pursue it. Doubt they would want the state to be overly aggressive though. The connotations might result in their looking too pushy, especially if many would think Morris Brown may be able to solve their problems eventually.

Yeah, it's not worth the political hassle. There are options just as close or closer to campus on the east and southeast sides of campus. Will take some work to assemble the land. A lot of these lots of land are owned by multiple individual landowners. You may have get ten entities to agree to a sales price to get just one acre. It's hard work and involves building relationships but it's not impossible. The site of our new law school involved a land sale next to the Georgia Pacific building that took years to build a relationship with the owner and negotiate. Like I said, we have to get leadership to work as hard for Athletics as academic departments.

panama we can understand that each of our schools athletic dept has to ansewer to upper university leadership which in some cases the goal of each of these two do not agree.

Yeah, it's a delicate balance especially given the state's current budget issues. Very hard to tell faculty and working students that you're going to spend tens of millions of dollars on land for Athletics of all areas. That's where it's up to leadership to create the narrative showing the benefits. The problem with being a city school is that it's time sensitive. Eventually someone will sell that land to a developer.

(05-02-2013 08:45 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 08:44 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Isn't the new Stadium going to built somewhere else?

If so, is there ANY chance that GaSt could buy the Ga Dome?

It's gonna be built in a space beside the Georgia Dome. Like they did with Turner Field and the old Fulton County Stadium. The dome will be torn down and probably made into parking.

How old is the Georgia Dome?

(05-06-2013 12:22 PM)CaliforniaCajun Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 08:45 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 08:44 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Isn't the new Stadium going to built somewhere else?

If so, is there ANY chance that GaSt could buy the Ga Dome?

It's gonna be built in a space beside the Georgia Dome. Like they did with Turner Field and the old Fulton County Stadium. The dome will be torn down and probably made into parking.

How old is the Georgia Dome?

Built in 1992. Renovated twice.

(05-06-2013 12:22 PM)CaliforniaCajun Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 08:45 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 08:44 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Isn't the new Stadium going to built somewhere else?

If so, is there ANY chance that GaSt could buy the Ga Dome?

It's gonna be built in a space beside the Georgia Dome. Like they did with Turner Field and the old Fulton County Stadium. The dome will be torn down and probably made into parking.

How old is the Georgia Dome?

Opened in 1993.....Had a 100million dollar upgrade 2-3 years ago....

FYI....The GA Dome is still not even paid off.

(05-02-2013 10:18 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 10:09 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  I personally have never had a problem with the area right around the Georgia Dome and I've been in that area MANY times. Yes, there are some bad neighborhoods not too terribly far from the dome, but I've never once had an issue with it being a bad area.

Its funny but there are sketchier neighborhoods just west of GT

Most of the ATL around Tech, Dome, Turner Field and GA State is some of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the country..not my opinion it is the FBI's. Just a few years ago I know the area around the Dome was considered the 5th most dangerous "neighborhood" / area in the in country. It is all degrees of horrible but it is all horrible in those areas.

Playing in the new stadium is cool but if I were a GaState fan I would eventually want a GaState stadium. It would just feel a little off to me.

(05-06-2013 06:54 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 10:18 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 10:09 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  I personally have never had a problem with the area right around the Georgia Dome and I've been in that area MANY times. Yes, there are some bad neighborhoods not too terribly far from the dome, but I've never once had an issue with it being a bad area.

Its funny but there are sketchier neighborhoods just west of GT

Most of the ATL around Tech, Dome, Turner Field and GA State is some of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the country..not my opinion it is the FBI's. Just a few years ago I know the area around the Dome was considered the 5th most dangerous "neighborhood" / area in the in country. It is all degrees of horrible but it is all horrible in those areas.

Playing in the new stadium is cool but if I were a GaState fan I would eventually want a GaState stadium. It would just feel a little off to me.

So may experts, so little time. Just where would you out this GSU stadium? Oh yeah, our school is in the same neighborhoods you just mentioned. Just wow.