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RE: Future football home of Georgia State?
(05-02-2013 11:00 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  
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(05-02-2013 09:58 AM)KennesawEagle Wrote:  The one point that the Falcons are really missing is the fact that it's not the stadium that was keeping people away. It's the area of town.

The Ga Dome is not a bad venue. Especially since they renovated it. It's what's outside of the stadium that turn people away.

My wife went to one game with me there, and she said she didn't feel safe. Therefore she will never go back. I can promise you that she's not the only one. And with that said, you can build a new stadium every year, but if you keep it in that area of town, you are never going to get the crowd size you want.

Here's a completely valid question. I'm not asking to be a smart butt. I'm genuinely curious. Would your wife feel the same way about Turner Field and going to a Braves game?

The thing about Turner field is that nobody approaches it from the south. Coming in from the north, all you see are parking lots. On the other hand, Going to the Dome, you either walk over the gulch and the under-bridge dwellers of the gulch, you park in the gulch, or you approach along Northside drive (the straight road to the left of the Dome in the last picture panama's posted above) which is known by people who live in the city as a bit of a line of demarcation between the relative safety of downtown and the less-patrolled/controlled areas west of the city center.

I feel safe doing either, but I used to walk the length of downtown from GSU to Peachtree Center, every night after class - I can easily see how some suburbanites would not be comfortable.

Hopefully, the New Dome and related urban renewal, along with the proposed greenline/MMPT will help to tie the Dome area to Centennial Park in a better way.

Speak for yourself. I live in the Southwest burbs. I always approach from the South.
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(05-02-2013 11:16 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 11:00 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 10:03 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 09:58 AM)KennesawEagle Wrote:  The one point that the Falcons are really missing is the fact that it's not the stadium that was keeping people away. It's the area of town.

The Ga Dome is not a bad venue. Especially since they renovated it. It's what's outside of the stadium that turn people away.

My wife went to one game with me there, and she said she didn't feel safe. Therefore she will never go back. I can promise you that she's not the only one. And with that said, you can build a new stadium every year, but if you keep it in that area of town, you are never going to get the crowd size you want.

Here's a completely valid question. I'm not asking to be a smart butt. I'm genuinely curious. Would your wife feel the same way about Turner Field and going to a Braves game?

The thing about Turner field is that nobody approaches it from the south. Coming in from the north, all you see are parking lots. On the other hand, Going to the Dome, you either walk over the gulch and the under-bridge dwellers of the gulch, you park in the gulch, or you approach along Northside drive (the straight road to the left of the Dome in the last picture panama's posted above) which is known by people who live in the city as a bit of a line of demarcation between the relative safety of downtown and the less-patrolled/controlled areas west of the city center.

I feel safe doing either, but I used to walk the length of downtown from GSU to Peachtree Center, every night after class - I can easily see how some suburbanites would not be comfortable.

Hopefully, the New Dome and related urban renewal, along with the proposed greenline/MMPT will help to tie the Dome area to Centennial Park in a better way.

Speak for yourself. I live in the Southwest burbs. I always approach from the South.

LOL...yeah those apartments sout of the Ted on Hank Aaron are way sketchy as is McDonough Avenue over to University further south.
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(05-02-2013 11:18 AM)panama Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 11:16 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 11:00 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 10:03 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 09:58 AM)KennesawEagle Wrote:  The one point that the Falcons are really missing is the fact that it's not the stadium that was keeping people away. It's the area of town.

The Ga Dome is not a bad venue. Especially since they renovated it. It's what's outside of the stadium that turn people away.

My wife went to one game with me there, and she said she didn't feel safe. Therefore she will never go back. I can promise you that she's not the only one. And with that said, you can build a new stadium every year, but if you keep it in that area of town, you are never going to get the crowd size you want.

Here's a completely valid question. I'm not asking to be a smart butt. I'm genuinely curious. Would your wife feel the same way about Turner Field and going to a Braves game?

The thing about Turner field is that nobody approaches it from the south. Coming in from the north, all you see are parking lots. On the other hand, Going to the Dome, you either walk over the gulch and the under-bridge dwellers of the gulch, you park in the gulch, or you approach along Northside drive (the straight road to the left of the Dome in the last picture panama's posted above) which is known by people who live in the city as a bit of a line of demarcation between the relative safety of downtown and the less-patrolled/controlled areas west of the city center.

I feel safe doing either, but I used to walk the length of downtown from GSU to Peachtree Center, every night after class - I can easily see how some suburbanites would not be comfortable.

Hopefully, the New Dome and related urban renewal, along with the proposed greenline/MMPT will help to tie the Dome area to Centennial Park in a better way.

Speak for yourself. I live in the Southwest burbs. I always approach from the South.

LOL...yeah those apartments sout of the Ted on Hank Aaron are way sketchy as is McDonough Avenue over to University further south.

Right. The city thought they had cleaned up that area when they built the stadium for the Olympics. But the things they cleared up just came back after the Olympics left.
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(05-02-2013 11:21 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 11:18 AM)panama Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 11:16 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 11:00 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 10:03 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  Here's a completely valid question. I'm not asking to be a smart butt. I'm genuinely curious. Would your wife feel the same way about Turner Field and going to a Braves game?

The thing about Turner field is that nobody approaches it from the south. Coming in from the north, all you see are parking lots. On the other hand, Going to the Dome, you either walk over the gulch and the under-bridge dwellers of the gulch, you park in the gulch, or you approach along Northside drive (the straight road to the left of the Dome in the last picture panama's posted above) which is known by people who live in the city as a bit of a line of demarcation between the relative safety of downtown and the less-patrolled/controlled areas west of the city center.

I feel safe doing either, but I used to walk the length of downtown from GSU to Peachtree Center, every night after class - I can easily see how some suburbanites would not be comfortable.

Hopefully, the New Dome and related urban renewal, along with the proposed greenline/MMPT will help to tie the Dome area to Centennial Park in a better way.

Speak for yourself. I live in the Southwest burbs. I always approach from the South.

LOL...yeah those apartments sout of the Ted on Hank Aaron are way sketchy as is McDonough Avenue over to University further south.

Right. The city thought they had cleaned up that area when they built the stadium for the Olympics. But the things they cleared up just came back after the Olympics left.

That particular area seems to be a problem. The areas north and east of there have seen a lot of home renovations and resales.Looks nothing like it did in 2002 when I lived near there. McDonough is a problem for end to end. Having a federal prison there certainly doesnt help. The area just cant seem to get any traction as far as redevelopment.
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(05-02-2013 11:16 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 11:00 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 10:03 AM)troy4ever Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 09:58 AM)KennesawEagle Wrote:  The one point that the Falcons are really missing is the fact that it's not the stadium that was keeping people away. It's the area of town.

The Ga Dome is not a bad venue. Especially since they renovated it. It's what's outside of the stadium that turn people away.

My wife went to one game with me there, and she said she didn't feel safe. Therefore she will never go back. I can promise you that she's not the only one. And with that said, you can build a new stadium every year, but if you keep it in that area of town, you are never going to get the crowd size you want.

Here's a completely valid question. I'm not asking to be a smart butt. I'm genuinely curious. Would your wife feel the same way about Turner Field and going to a Braves game?

The thing about Turner field is that nobody approaches it from the south. Coming in from the north, all you see are parking lots. On the other hand, Going to the Dome, you either walk over the gulch and the under-bridge dwellers of the gulch, you park in the gulch, or you approach along Northside drive (the straight road to the left of the Dome in the last picture panama's posted above) which is known by people who live in the city as a bit of a line of demarcation between the relative safety of downtown and the less-patrolled/controlled areas west of the city center.

I feel safe doing either, but I used to walk the length of downtown from GSU to Peachtree Center, every night after class - I can easily see how some suburbanites would not be comfortable.

Hopefully, the New Dome and related urban renewal, along with the proposed greenline/MMPT will help to tie the Dome area to Centennial Park in a better way.

Speak for yourself. I live in the Southwest burbs. I always approach from the South.

So do you go back-roads, or come up 75/85? If you use the interstate, what exit do you use? (Just asking).
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Personally (and I'm not smack talking here), I feel much more safe walking around the GA Dome than I did when I was walking around the GA State campus and it borders Underground Atlanta, one of the tourist hot spots. I don't think safety is an issue around the current location of the Dome. As stated before, there are some seriously bad neighborhoods right next to GT.

As for not bashing GA State with my reply earlier, the title of the thread directed the new facility as it related to State. I was simply making note that I noticed NOTHING AT ALL that referenced State or even the color blue. State is a secondary thought (if a thought at all) with regards to the new facility. Personally, I think they'd be better off if they found a way to build their own, smaller facility specific to them and in a closer proximity to their campus. I think it may help with student attendance as well because the school and it's students will feel more ownership in the program.
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(05-02-2013 12:00 PM)Pike51 Wrote:  Personally (and I'm not smack talking here), I feel much more safe walking around the GA Dome than I did when I was walking around the GA State campus and it borders Underground Atlanta, one of the tourist hot spots. I don't think safety is an issue around the current location of the Dome. As stated before, there are some seriously bad neighborhoods right next to GT.

As for not bashing GA State with my reply earlier, the title of the thread directed the new facility as it related to State. I was simply making note that I noticed NOTHING AT ALL that referenced State or even the color blue. State is a secondary thought (if a thought at all) with regards to the new facility. Personally, I think they'd be better off if they found a way to build their own, smaller facility specific to them and in a closer proximity to their campus. I think it may help with student attendance as well because the school and it's students will feel more ownership in the program.

There is no reason to be so literal when we all know GaSt will be playing in the new facility unless they suddenly decide to build their own stadium. A direct linkage to GaSt was not needed.
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(05-02-2013 12:00 PM)Pike51 Wrote:  Personally (and I'm not smack talking here), I feel much more safe walking around the GA Dome than I did when I was walking around the GA State campus and it borders Underground Atlanta, one of the tourist hot spots. I don't think safety is an issue around the current location of the Dome. As stated before, there are some seriously bad neighborhoods right next to GT.

As for not bashing GA State with my reply earlier, the title of the thread directed the new facility as it related to State. I was simply making note that I noticed NOTHING AT ALL that referenced State or even the color blue. State is a secondary thought (if a thought at all) with regards to the new facility. Personally, I think they'd be better off if they found a way to build their own, smaller facility specific to them and in a closer proximity to their campus. I think it may help with student attendance as well because the school and it's students will feel more ownership in the program.
Where? The Ga Dome is 2 blocks from campus and from what I have heard the new stadium will be 800 yards CLOSER. So I am wondering where we can build a stadium closer than that. As for being an afterthought I agree but then again everything is an afterthought with this project other than the Falcons. I love the Dome but I think this new stadium would be a tad impersonal for anything other than an overblown NFL show. I imagine people looking around dumbfounded at their surroundings and ignoring the event. We need a new AD and Prez to get a stadium done. The land costs and political hurdles are too great for our current administration to handle. There are 55 acres of parking lots north of the Ted and practically on our campus that the city is looking to redevelop. One of the proposals did mention a stadium. But people at a high level would have to get their rears in gear for that to happen.
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(05-02-2013 12:09 PM)troy4ever Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 12:00 PM)Pike51 Wrote:  Personally (and I'm not smack talking here), I feel much more safe walking around the GA Dome than I did when I was walking around the GA State campus and it borders Underground Atlanta, one of the tourist hot spots. I don't think safety is an issue around the current location of the Dome. As stated before, there are some seriously bad neighborhoods right next to GT.

As for not bashing GA State with my reply earlier, the title of the thread directed the new facility as it related to State. I was simply making note that I noticed NOTHING AT ALL that referenced State or even the color blue. State is a secondary thought (if a thought at all) with regards to the new facility. Personally, I think they'd be better off if they found a way to build their own, smaller facility specific to them and in a closer proximity to their campus. I think it may help with student attendance as well because the school and it's students will feel more ownership in the program.

There is no reason to be so literal when we all know GaSt will be playing in the new facility unless they suddenly decide to build their own stadium. A direct linkage to GaSt was not needed.
Correct. Forgot to mention,the contract lists legacy events that will be grandfathered into the new facility including the Chik Fil A games, SEC Championship and GSU football.
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(05-02-2013 12:18 PM)panama Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 12:00 PM)Pike51 Wrote:  Personally (and I'm not smack talking here), I feel much more safe walking around the GA Dome than I did when I was walking around the GA State campus and it borders Underground Atlanta, one of the tourist hot spots. I don't think safety is an issue around the current location of the Dome. As stated before, there are some seriously bad neighborhoods right next to GT.

As for not bashing GA State with my reply earlier, the title of the thread directed the new facility as it related to State. I was simply making note that I noticed NOTHING AT ALL that referenced State or even the color blue. State is a secondary thought (if a thought at all) with regards to the new facility. Personally, I think they'd be better off if they found a way to build their own, smaller facility specific to them and in a closer proximity to their campus. I think it may help with student attendance as well because the school and it's students will feel more ownership in the program.
Where? The Ga Dome is 2 blocks from campus and from what I have heard the new stadium will be 800 yards CLOSER. So I am wondering where we can build a stadium closer than that. As for being an afterthought I agree but then again everything is an afterthought with this project other than the Falcons. I love the Dome but I think this new stadium would be a tad impersonal for anything other than an overblown NFL show. I imagine people looking around dumbfounded at their surroundings and ignoring the event. We need a new AD and Prez to get a stadium done. The land costs and political hurdles are too great for our current administration to handle. There are 55 acres of parking lots north of the Ted and practically on our campus that the city is looking to redevelop. One of the proposals did mention a stadium. But people at a high level would have to get their rears in gear for that to happen.
If the Dome is 2 blocks from the edge of the campus and the new stadium is 800 closer to the campus than the dome is to the campus now how......never mind
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(05-02-2013 12:09 PM)troy4ever Wrote:  There is no reason to be so literal when we all know GaSt will be playing in the new facility unless they suddenly decide to build their own stadium. A direct linkage to GaSt was not needed.

Perhaps you should take your own advice and have not started the thread itself with State in mind then? Pot meet kettle.
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(05-02-2013 12:38 PM)Pike51 Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 12:09 PM)troy4ever Wrote:  There is no reason to be so literal when we all know GaSt will be playing in the new facility unless they suddenly decide to build their own stadium. A direct linkage to GaSt was not needed.

Perhaps you should take your own advice and have not started the thread itself with State in mind then? Pot meet kettle.

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(05-02-2013 12:38 PM)Pike51 Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 12:09 PM)troy4ever Wrote:  There is no reason to be so literal when we all know GaSt will be playing in the new facility unless they suddenly decide to build their own stadium. A direct linkage to GaSt was not needed.

Perhaps you should take your own advice and have not started the thread itself with State in mind then? Pot meet kettle.

Not even a pot meet kettle moment. You just don't understand.
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(05-02-2013 12:18 PM)panama Wrote:  Where? The Ga Dome is 2 blocks from campus and from what I have heard the new stadium will be 800 yards CLOSER. So I am wondering where we can build a stadium closer than that. As for being an afterthought I agree but then again everything is an afterthought with this project other than the Falcons. I love the Dome but I think this new stadium would be a tad impersonal for anything other than an overblown NFL show. I imagine people looking around dumbfounded at their surroundings and ignoring the event. We need a new AD and Prez to get a stadium done. The land costs and political hurdles are too great for our current administration to handle. There are 55 acres of parking lots north of the Ted and practically on our campus that the city is looking to redevelop. One of the proposals did mention a stadium. But people at a high level would have to get their rears in gear for that to happen.

What about something like this:

[Image: Tokyo_rooftop_football.jpg]

Seriously, I'd be a huge supporter if State decided to go with something like this. Seriously though, I understand the logistical issues State has but there has got to be a way to do something besides rent whatever facility the Falcons are using. My personal opinion is that the excessive empty seating and lack of dedicated State "graphics" is a deterrent not only to fans wanting to attend, but also to recruits. I'll use Valdosta State as an example... 3 time D2 National Champions, hell, they won the title last season... they play in the Valdosta High Stadium, whice itself is very nice and seats more than enough for D2 football. However, it's decked out in black and gold with a giant paw print in the middle of the field. Now, even though the stadium is in the middle of VSU's campus (literally), VSU averages less than 2500 per game... When the student body (of over 15,000) was asked about what would it taker for them to attend games, the overwhelming response (more than 65%) was VSU having it's own facility. That example is different on many levels, I understand, but I would think State would do well to figure out how to build it's own facility with a personal identity as quickly as possible.

If the parking lots you mentioned are available and are close, I'd start a ground roots push to get moving on that! But don't rule out a roof top stadium!! :)
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(05-02-2013 12:46 PM)Pike51 Wrote:  Seriously, I'd be a huge supporter if State decided to go with something like this. Seriously though, I understand the logistical issues State has but there has got to be a way to do something besides rent whatever facility the Falcons are using. My personal opinion is that the excessive empty seating and lack of dedicated State "graphics" is a deterrent not only to fans wanting to attend, but also to recruits. I'll use Valdosta State as an example... 3 time D2 National Champions, hell, they won the title last season... they play in the Valdosta High Stadium, whice itself is very nice and seats more than enough for D2 football. However, it's decked out in black and gold with a giant paw print in the middle of the field. Now, even though the stadium is in the middle of VSU's campus (literally), VSU averages less than 2500 per game... When the student body (of over 15,000) was asked about what would it taker for them to attend games, the overwhelming response (more than 65%) was VSU having it's own facility. That example is different on many levels, I understand, but I would think State would do well to figure out how to build it's own facility with a personal identity as quickly as possible.

If the parking lots you mentioned are available and are close, I'd start a ground roots push to get moving on that! But don't rule out a roof top stadium!! :)

So, to argue that we should move out of an NFL facility where we have our own graphics on the field, the railings, the jumbo-trons, in the concessions, and one every one of the bazillion TV screens, you give an example of a college moving out of a High School stadium where the College had none of that.....did that really just happen?

Yeah....I'm sure recruits would rather play in a glorified high school stadium than a brand-new NFL arena/wonderdome.
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I think Atlanta will 1 up Dallas and their stadium....And this is the 3rd time ive heard a rumor about a Birds nest like stadium.
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(05-02-2013 01:00 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  I think Atlanta will 1 up Dallas and their stadium....And this is the 3rd time ive heard a rumor about a Birds nest like stadium.

Wow. Way to take my words out of our private conversation through text message and put them on the message board as your own.
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(05-02-2013 12:46 PM)Pike51 Wrote:  ...Seriously, I'd be a huge supporter if State decided to go with something like this... If the parking lots you mentioned are available and are close, I'd start a ground roots push to get moving on that! But don't rule out a roof top stadium!! :)

Come on man, you're not being realistic. A roof top stadium??? Do you know how much that would cost??? Neither do I, but come on. There aren't going to be any billion dollar stadiums in the Sun Belt. Hypothetically speaking, if the NFL had a franchise in Statesboro when we started our program and their stadium was on our campus do you think we would sink money into building a stadium of our own?

I agree it's fun to pick on them for not having a stadium of their own, but the reality is they are making the right choice.
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Just cannot see Georgia State ever building a stadium of their own on campus. The Georgia Dome, or it's replacement, will serve them well for years. Would think it is a better recruitment tool than distraction. It would be nice to have an on campus facility, but nice costs way too much to justify in downtown Atlanta.
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(05-02-2013 01:07 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Just cannot see Georgia State ever building a stadium of their own on campus. The Georgia Dome, or it's replacement, will serve them well for years. Would think it is a better recruitment tool than distraction. It would be nice to have an on campus facility, but nice costs way too much to justify in downtown Atlanta.

Not smack, a legitimate question:

Does Ga. State have an actual campus? I was in downtown Atlanta once and it just seemed like it was a couple of high rises in downtown. Does Ga. State own these buildings or are they leased? Is there more to the campus or is that it?
05-02-2013 01:11 PM
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