(04-24-2013 06:14 PM)emu steve Wrote:  man, I'm going to disagree with this 'paint-them-all-with-the-same-brush' approach.

We are seeing players leave because of character or academic issues.

Some are leaving to get closer to home, some because of family health issues.

Some leave because of playing time (those are those moving down).

Some are actually moving up (e.g., Luke Hancock from Mason to L'ville and Paul from WMU to ?, maybe Illinois).

That CBS sports website I frequently refer has over 260 D-I transfers and it would be fallicious to label them character/academic risks.

Think of EMU:

Still and Bryant had issues.

Harrison is an all-MAC academic player. Absolutely no evidence of issues.

Riley came back to Detroit because of family health issues. Absolutely no evidence of issues.

Talley has a very good reputation and got caught behind a kid, McConnell, who beat him out as the starting PG. McConnell is a good player.

To me leaving a school because of playing time falls in the negative category, which means that you were or are not good enough. Riley WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. So he came to EMU because of family issues. Yeah right. That is the excuse used in today's basketball. "My grandma is not doing well so I must transfer" Come on now... what grandma in the world is doing great ? And Harrison not good enough to play in the Mountain West. So out of 260 kids 80-90% fall in the negative category in my opinion.

ONLY AT EMU

OFF THE BANDWAGON FOR NOW

JUST GOT OVER MURPHY'S STYLE OF PLAY AND NOW THE DISCIPLINE ISSUES ARE IN PLAY

SAD, SAD, SAD

(04-24-2013 06:15 PM)EMUEagle17 Wrote:  Now when people start to talk about coaching, and what EMU needs, I was thinking Bill Carmody former Northwestern coach. Now I still like Murphy and think he's done a okay job so far, I mean he's had a good recruiting class, finished 1st in the MAC west one year and had a okay year this last year but nothing to brag about.

Carmody would never...

(04-24-2013 06:15 PM)EMUEagle17 Wrote:  Now when people start to talk about coaching, and what EMU needs, I was thinking Bill Carmody former Northwestern coach. Now I still like Murphy and think he's done a okay job so far, I mean he's had a good recruiting class, finished 1st in the MAC west one year and had a okay year this last year but nothing to brag about.

Hells noooooooooo. No more Princeton offense. I want to see us score 80 just once more in my life. Oh, and Carmody would never come here, so I guess the point is moot.

(04-24-2013 06:25 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 06:15 PM)EMUEagle17 Wrote:  Now when people start to talk about coaching, and what EMU needs, I was thinking Bill Carmody former Northwestern coach. Now I still like Murphy and think he's done a okay job so far, I mean he's had a good recruiting class, finished 1st in the MAC west one year and had a okay year this last year but nothing to brag about.

Carmody would never...

Better then no job at all. What about Dane Fife?

(04-24-2013 06:28 PM)EMUEagle17 Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 06:25 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 06:15 PM)EMUEagle17 Wrote:  Now when people start to talk about coaching, and what EMU needs, I was thinking Bill Carmody former Northwestern coach. Now I still like Murphy and think he's done a okay job so far, I mean he's had a good recruiting class, finished 1st in the MAC west one year and had a okay year this last year but nothing to brag about.

Carmody would never...

Better then no job at all. What about Dane Fife?

Carmody will land somewhere, he might take a year or two off but he will be fine. Plus I would take an assistant position at a good school over being a head coach at EMU and I wouldn't be surprised if he will eventually do that (be an assistant somewhere).

(04-24-2013 06:25 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 06:14 PM)emu steve Wrote:  man, I'm going to disagree with this 'paint-them-all-with-the-same-brush' approach.

We are seeing players leave because of character or academic issues.

Some are leaving to get closer to home, some because of family health issues.

Some leave because of playing time (those are those moving down).

Some are actually moving up (e.g., Luke Hancock from Mason to L'ville and Paul from WMU to ?, maybe Illinois).

That CBS sports website I frequently refer has over 260 D-I transfers and it would be fallicious to label them character/academic risks.

Think of EMU:

Still and Bryant had issues.

Harrison is an all-MAC academic player. Absolutely no evidence of issues.

Riley came back to Detroit because of family health issues. Absolutely no evidence of issues.

Talley has a very good reputation and got caught behind a kid, McConnell, who beat him out as the starting PG. McConnell is a good player.

To me leaving a school because of playing time falls in the negative category, which means that you were or are not good enough. Riley WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. So he came to EMU because of family issues. Yeah right. That is the excuse used in today's basketball. "My grandma is not doing well so I must transfer" Come on now... what grandma in the world is doing great ? And Harrison not good enough to play in the Mountain West. So out of 260 kids 80-90% fall in the negative category in my opinion.

I disagree with you 100%.

Riley may or may not have been good enough to play on a team which went to the Elite Eight in the Big East. Big deal!!!

Syracuse is a definitely upper echelon team.

Interesting when I was on campus for a game in February, I sat with Riley's grandparents, Glenn Bryant's girl friend, and some of his (GB's) relatives.

(04-24-2013 06:25 PM)Dennis Hoopster Wrote:  ONLY AT EMU

OFF THE BANDWAGON FOR NOW

JUST GOT OVER MURPHY'S STYLE OF PLAY AND NOW THE DISCIPLINE ISSUES ARE IN PLAY

SAD, SAD, SAD

Dennis,

I thought you got off the bandwagon a lot time ago? Correct?

(04-24-2013 06:28 PM)EMUEagle17 Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 06:25 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 06:15 PM)EMUEagle17 Wrote:  Now when people start to talk about coaching, and what EMU needs, I was thinking Bill Carmody former Northwestern coach. Now I still like Murphy and think he's done a okay job so far, I mean he's had a good recruiting class, finished 1st in the MAC west one year and had a okay year this last year but nothing to brag about.

Carmody would never...

Better then no job at all. What about Dane Fife?

Actually, didn't Fife remove himself from the previous coaching candidates pool to take the assistant job at MSU? Fife can go F*** himself!

(04-24-2013 06:34 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 06:25 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 06:14 PM)emu steve Wrote:  man, I'm going to disagree with this 'paint-them-all-with-the-same-brush' approach.

We are seeing players leave because of character or academic issues.

Some are leaving to get closer to home, some because of family health issues.

Some leave because of playing time (those are those moving down).

Some are actually moving up (e.g., Luke Hancock from Mason to L'ville and Paul from WMU to ?, maybe Illinois).

That CBS sports website I frequently refer has over 260 D-I transfers and it would be fallicious to label them character/academic risks.

Think of EMU:

Still and Bryant had issues.

Harrison is an all-MAC academic player. Absolutely no evidence of issues.

Riley came back to Detroit because of family health issues. Absolutely no evidence of issues.

Talley has a very good reputation and got caught behind a kid, McConnell, who beat him out as the starting PG. McConnell is a good player.

To me leaving a school because of playing time falls in the negative category, which means that you were or are not good enough. Riley WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. So he came to EMU because of family issues. Yeah right. That is the excuse used in today's basketball. "My grandma is not doing well so I must transfer" Come on now... what grandma in the world is doing great ? And Harrison not good enough to play in the Mountain West. So out of 260 kids 80-90% fall in the negative category in my opinion.

I disagree with you 100%.

Riley may or may not have been good enough to play on a team which went to the Elite Eight in the Big East. Big deal!!!

Syracuse is a definitely upper echelon team.

Interesting when I was on campus for a game in February, I sat with Riley's grandparents, Glenn Bryant's girl friend, and some of his (GB's) relatives.

Well yes, I am pretty sure that his grandma was the official reason for the transfer.

EDIT:

So far Riley has been proven to be a mediocre player in one of the worst conferences in the country. And Bryant is a thug... So did I miss something?

EDIT #2:

Austin Harper = COMPLETE BUST and Harrison another very mediocre player, at least his grades are great. And the jury is still out on the rest

Beyond disappointed. This was a guy who was one of my favorites to watch and I looked forward to seeing him again next season. Such a kick in the gut to this team, program, school, and to us the fans, who only ask for a good team to root for. I just don't know what to say anymore...

Thing to consider: from what I understand the rest of the guys on the team found out through article as well. They had no clue up until today and its almost thursday... Was there an attempt to keep this quiet ?

this is miserable.......

how is Murphy going to respond to this? how is Sue Martin going to respond to this? i have to imagine that Murphy is going to be on a really, really short leash for the upcoming season. Three big black eyes to the program in under a year is not ok.

what kind of punishment can a university give to a coach, short of firing him? can a university fine a coach?

Don't forget transfers like Thompson. While we should wait for the legal procedures to take place and even if innocent Bryant has put an unneeded cloud over the program. To some extent I say a coach doesn't control his individual player actions but is responsible for the type of players he or she brings into the program. I too was unaware of Bryant's background. All of this certainly gives our friends at WMU all the ammo to question Murphy and the program and other teams as well. It may hurt other transfers from coming to EMU and having this happen in the middle of finalizing recruiting is not good at all. I enjoyed watching Bryant play but IF this charges are true we've seen the last of Bryant at EMU. In terms of Murphy he will be gauged by a new AD at some point.
And yes this does hurt next year big time.

(04-25-2013 03:11 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Don't forget transfers like Thompson. While we should wait for the legal procedures to take place and even if innocent Bryant has put an unneeded cloud over the program. To some extent I say a coach doesn't control his individual player actions but is responsible for the type of players he or she brings into the program. I too was unaware of Bryant's background. All of this certainly gives our friends at WMU all the ammo to question Murphy and the program and other teams as well. It may hurt other transfers from coming to EMU and having this happen in the middle of finalizing recruiting is not good at all. I enjoyed watching Bryant play but IF this charges are true we've seen the last of Bryant at EMU. In terms of Murphy he will be gauged by a new AD at some point.
And yes this does hurt next year big time.

Well stated, '79.

BTW, I too was aware of Bryant's background which wasn't pristine but suggestive of some bad judgment.

Lets hope Murphy and staff are learning their lessons, any questionable actions in a background should result in a no we don't them that bad.

Actions like this should be measured its the 1% whose actions bring a cloud into the program, 99% of EMU athletes are model citizens who try to do the right things and an education. We need to tell the 99% including those on the men's basketball team that we are proud of them and stand with them.

No one will come out a winner in the Bryant situation. Its a lose lose for the school, for Glenn, for his teammates, for the victim, the program and for us fans and students. It is heartbreaking for all of us at EMU.

Here is the annarbor.com article on Bryant:

http://www.annarbor.com/news/ypsilanti/e...l-charges/

I'll let the article speak for itself.

(04-24-2013 06:35 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 06:25 PM)Dennis Hoopster Wrote:  ONLY AT EMU

OFF THE BANDWAGON FOR NOW

JUST GOT OVER MURPHY'S STYLE OF PLAY AND NOW THE DISCIPLINE ISSUES ARE IN PLAY

SAD, SAD, SAD

Dennis,

I thought you got off the bandwagon a lot time ago? Correct?

STEVE, ON AND OFF AGAIN. EVERYTIME SOMETHNG POSITIVE SEEMS TO HAPPEN, IT IS FOLLOWED BY SOMETHING NEGATIVE. I GIVE UP! EVERYTIME MURPHY RECRUITS A TRANSFER, THERE APPEARS TO BE ISSUES, RE: LEE, STILL, BRYANT - WHY CAN'T HE RECRUIT HS TALENT?

(04-25-2013 09:02 AM)Dennis Hoopster Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 06:35 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 06:25 PM)Dennis Hoopster Wrote:  ONLY AT EMU

OFF THE BANDWAGON FOR NOW

JUST GOT OVER MURPHY'S STYLE OF PLAY AND NOW THE DISCIPLINE ISSUES ARE IN PLAY

SAD, SAD, SAD

Dennis,

I thought you got off the bandwagon a lot time ago? Correct?

WHY CAN'T HE RECRUIT HS TALENT?

Interesting question.

(04-25-2013 09:09 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(04-25-2013 09:02 AM)Dennis Hoopster Wrote:  WHY CAN'T HE RECRUIT HS TALENT?

Interesting question.

i assume it's because high school players take longer to develop and he's looking for a quick ticket out of town.