(04-01-2013 06:36 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 06:17 PM)jdcurran235 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 05:51 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 05:43 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

Not to mention Lamar went 3-28 in men's basketball this year

You do realize Lamar went to the NCAA tournament last year and it was an all freshman squad this year. And we are a historic basketball school with a 10K arena that has been known to sell out in years past. We also have Pat Knight as our coach. And whether you like it or not we are on your list of potential adds cause we already have facilities in place for an FBS jump and are in the SBC footprint. But I will not argue that we are not good at football as of yet. We just brought our program back 4 years ago and probably did not hire the right coach for the job. But your flame is unwarranted and not completely fair. I am not going to be a liberty poster and spend a whole bunch of time pimping my school but there are other schools on the list besides JMU (who might not accept). So why not have a little conversation about other potential schools that could be added without flaming all over them.

Not impressed with a 10k basketball facility that has sold out because we have the same thing. Lamar did well last year, but look at the years before that. Lamar brings nothing to the table. A terrible add and bad for the whole FBS.

Lamar Basketball Past (Sorry to everyone else, not trying to pimp LU, just want fair criticism of the school):
Founded in 1924 the men's and women's basketball teams at Lamar have both advanced deep into the NCAA tournament. The men's team has 4 NIT appearances, 6 NCAA tournament appearances, 4 second round appearances, and 1 sweet 16 appearance. The women's team has 1 NIT appearance, 2 NCAA tournament appearances, and 1 elite eight appearance.

UNT Basketball History:
The Mean Green have appeared in the NCAA Tournament three times. Their combined record is 0–3.

Glass House and all that stuff!!

(04-01-2013 06:04 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 05:57 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 05:43 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  Didn't UL stomp Lamar into a pile of dust 40-0 at the half? Yeah no thanks. I know the other sports are important too, but if you suck ass in the most important one, GO AWAY! Football attendance in the Sun Belt is generally 3-5 times more than that of Men's Basketball which is widely considered the second most popular sport in the Sun Belt. At Louisiana, it's almost 8 times what their basketball attendance is!

I would be surprised if average attendance in all other sports added up to be even equal to the average football game at Troy. That's how big football is. If you suck at football, stay home, don't come! Yet we have all these dudes with mediocre FCS ability wanting to be FBS?

That's why I am very excited about ASU, GSU, and JMU (If they join), and not programs like Missouri State (3-8 last year; ranked 42nd in FCS), Liberty (6-5; ranked 57th in FCS), and Lamar (4-8; ranked 89th in FCS). I mean honestly, what do you guys think is going to happen to those teams if they join? Bake them a cake and say "hello neighbor please beat my ass"?

And for the pro-Liberty crowd, they haven't had more than 8 wins since 2008. 8 wins is ok for FCS, but unless you're snagging 10+ somewhat consistently, I'd rather not have you.

EDIT: after further review, JMU isn't the juggernaut I thought they were. We'll just have to see about them. I wanted them until I saw all those 6 and 7 win seasons. I remember watching them in the playoffs a few years ago and beating a ranked VT or WVU in maybe a different year, I don't know.

JMU and LU are going to bring about the same thing athletically to the field in the major sports. Both MBB teams made the Tourney, and their FB teams are pretty evenly matched. As for other sports LU probably gets the nod.

Jerry Falwell Jr. can blow me.

Classy dude.

(04-01-2013 06:53 PM)accelerati incredibilus Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 06:04 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 05:57 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 05:43 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  Didn't UL stomp Lamar into a pile of dust 40-0 at the half? Yeah no thanks. I know the other sports are important too, but if you suck ass in the most important one, GO AWAY! Football attendance in the Sun Belt is generally 3-5 times more than that of Men's Basketball which is widely considered the second most popular sport in the Sun Belt. At Louisiana, it's almost 8 times what their basketball attendance is!

I would be surprised if average attendance in all other sports added up to be even equal to the average football game at Troy. That's how big football is. If you suck at football, stay home, don't come! Yet we have all these dudes with mediocre FCS ability wanting to be FBS?

That's why I am very excited about ASU, GSU, and JMU (If they join), and not programs like Missouri State (3-8 last year; ranked 42nd in FCS), Liberty (6-5; ranked 57th in FCS), and Lamar (4-8; ranked 89th in FCS). I mean honestly, what do you guys think is going to happen to those teams if they join? Bake them a cake and say "hello neighbor please beat my ass"?

And for the pro-Liberty crowd, they haven't had more than 8 wins since 2008. 8 wins is ok for FCS, but unless you're snagging 10+ somewhat consistently, I'd rather not have you.

EDIT: after further review, JMU isn't the juggernaut I thought they were. We'll just have to see about them. I wanted them until I saw all those 6 and 7 win seasons. I remember watching them in the playoffs a few years ago and beating a ranked VT or WVU in maybe a different year, I don't know.

JMU and LU are going to bring about the same thing athletically to the field in the major sports. Both MBB teams made the Tourney, and their FB teams are pretty evenly matched. As for other sports LU probably gets the nod.

Jerry Falwell Jr. can blow me.

Classy dude.

Thanks. I try.

(04-01-2013 06:38 PM)jdcurran235 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 06:36 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 06:17 PM)jdcurran235 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 05:51 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 05:43 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

Not to mention Lamar went 3-28 in men's basketball this year

You do realize Lamar went to the NCAA tournament last year and it was an all freshman squad this year. And we are a historic basketball school with a 10K arena that has been known to sell out in years past. We also have Pat Knight as our coach. And whether you like it or not we are on your list of potential adds cause we already have facilities in place for an FBS jump and are in the SBC footprint. But I will not argue that we are not good at football as of yet. We just brought our program back 4 years ago and probably did not hire the right coach for the job. But your flame is unwarranted and not completely fair. I am not going to be a liberty poster and spend a whole bunch of time pimping my school but there are other schools on the list besides JMU (who might not accept). So why not have a little conversation about other potential schools that could be added without flaming all over them.

Not impressed with a 10k basketball facility that has sold out because we have the same thing. Lamar did well last year, but look at the years before that. Lamar brings nothing to the table. A terrible add and bad for the whole FBS.

Lamar Basketball Past (Sorry to everyone else, not trying to pimp LU, just want fair criticism of the school):
Founded in 1924 the men's and women's basketball teams at Lamar have both advanced deep into the NCAA tournament. The men's team has 4 NIT appearances, 6 NCAA tournament appearances, 4 second round appearances, and 1 sweet 16 appearance. The women's team has 1 NIT appearance, 2 NCAA tournament appearances, and 1 elite eight appearance.

UNT Basketball History:
The Mean Green have appeared in the NCAA Tournament three times. Their combined record is 0–3.

Glass House and all that stuff!!

One sweet sixteen 33 years ago! Add them! Hurry!

Lamar needs to realize its place and work to one day maybe become a halfway competitive FCS team and leave it at that. That would be success for Lamar.

(04-01-2013 06:55 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 06:38 PM)jdcurran235 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 06:36 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 06:17 PM)jdcurran235 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 05:51 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  Not to mention Lamar went 3-28 in men's basketball this year

You do realize Lamar went to the NCAA tournament last year and it was an all freshman squad this year. And we are a historic basketball school with a 10K arena that has been known to sell out in years past. We also have Pat Knight as our coach. And whether you like it or not we are on your list of potential adds cause we already have facilities in place for an FBS jump and are in the SBC footprint. But I will not argue that we are not good at football as of yet. We just brought our program back 4 years ago and probably did not hire the right coach for the job. But your flame is unwarranted and not completely fair. I am not going to be a liberty poster and spend a whole bunch of time pimping my school but there are other schools on the list besides JMU (who might not accept). So why not have a little conversation about other potential schools that could be added without flaming all over them.

Not impressed with a 10k basketball facility that has sold out because we have the same thing. Lamar did well last year, but look at the years before that. Lamar brings nothing to the table. A terrible add and bad for the whole FBS.

Lamar Basketball Past (Sorry to everyone else, not trying to pimp LU, just want fair criticism of the school):
Founded in 1924 the men's and women's basketball teams at Lamar have both advanced deep into the NCAA tournament. The men's team has 4 NIT appearances, 6 NCAA tournament appearances, 4 second round appearances, and 1 sweet 16 appearance. The women's team has 1 NIT appearance, 2 NCAA tournament appearances, and 1 elite eight appearance.

UNT Basketball History:
The Mean Green have appeared in the NCAA Tournament three times. Their combined record is 0–3.

Glass House and all that stuff!!

One sweet sixteen 33 years ago! Add them! Hurry!

No sweet 16s go UNT!!!

Not making a case for them, but Lamar's stadium is just as big and a lot better than that dump Idaho plays in.

(04-01-2013 06:57 PM)accelerati incredibilus Wrote:  Not making a case for them, but Lamar's stadium is just as big and a lot better than that dump Idaho plays in.

True..but Idahos's is half the size of a proper FBS stadium, as is Lamar's.

(04-01-2013 06:56 PM)jdcurran235 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 06:55 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 06:38 PM)jdcurran235 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 06:36 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 06:17 PM)jdcurran235 Wrote:  You do realize Lamar went to the NCAA tournament last year and it was an all freshman squad this year. And we are a historic basketball school with a 10K arena that has been known to sell out in years past. We also have Pat Knight as our coach. And whether you like it or not we are on your list of potential adds cause we already have facilities in place for an FBS jump and are in the SBC footprint. But I will not argue that we are not good at football as of yet. We just brought our program back 4 years ago and probably did not hire the right coach for the job. But your flame is unwarranted and not completely fair. I am not going to be a liberty poster and spend a whole bunch of time pimping my school but there are other schools on the list besides JMU (who might not accept). So why not have a little conversation about other potential schools that could be added without flaming all over them.

Not impressed with a 10k basketball facility that has sold out because we have the same thing. Lamar did well last year, but look at the years before that. Lamar brings nothing to the table. A terrible add and bad for the whole FBS.

Lamar Basketball Past (Sorry to everyone else, not trying to pimp LU, just want fair criticism of the school):
Founded in 1924 the men's and women's basketball teams at Lamar have both advanced deep into the NCAA tournament. The men's team has 4 NIT appearances, 6 NCAA tournament appearances, 4 second round appearances, and 1 sweet 16 appearance. The women's team has 1 NIT appearance, 2 NCAA tournament appearances, and 1 elite eight appearance.

UNT Basketball History:
The Mean Green have appeared in the NCAA Tournament three times. Their combined record is 0–3.

Glass House and all that stuff!!

One sweet sixteen 33 years ago! Add them! Hurry!

No sweet 16s go UNT!!!

Lamar. LOL

(04-01-2013 06:59 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 06:56 PM)jdcurran235 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 06:55 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 06:38 PM)jdcurran235 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 06:36 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  Not impressed with a 10k basketball facility that has sold out because we have the same thing. Lamar did well last year, but look at the years before that. Lamar brings nothing to the table. A terrible add and bad for the whole FBS.

Lamar Basketball Past (Sorry to everyone else, not trying to pimp LU, just want fair criticism of the school):
Founded in 1924 the men's and women's basketball teams at Lamar have both advanced deep into the NCAA tournament. The men's team has 4 NIT appearances, 6 NCAA tournament appearances, 4 second round appearances, and 1 sweet 16 appearance. The women's team has 1 NIT appearance, 2 NCAA tournament appearances, and 1 elite eight appearance.

UNT Basketball History:
The Mean Green have appeared in the NCAA Tournament three times. Their combined record is 0–3.

Glass House and all that stuff!!

One sweet sixteen 33 years ago! Add them! Hurry!

No sweet 16s go UNT!!!

Lamar. LOL

UNT.LOL

(04-01-2013 04:58 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  ASU, ULL, ULM, and Texas State are blocking any and all Southland Schools. Even Lamar.

Not discounting what you're saying, and not even doubting, but curious... According to what you've heard has Texas State's representatives actually taking an active role in these proceedings?

(04-01-2013 04:39 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Just wonder what Delaware is thinking right now.

They are thinking Yeah we will get to play SUNY Albany and SUNY Stony Brook as equals and peer instituions. Schools that were DII until the late 1990s.

Because for Delaware that is whats going to become reality. Stony Brook has a stadium that holds 8,750 and Albany's new stadium will be 10k.

(04-01-2013 05:43 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  Didn't UL stomp Lamar into a pile of dust 40-0 at the half? Yeah no thanks. I know the other sports are important too, but if you suck ass in the most important one, GO AWAY! Football attendance in the Sun Belt is generally 3-5 times more than that of Men's Basketball which is widely considered the second most popular sport in the Sun Belt. At Louisiana, it's almost 8 times what their basketball attendance is!

I would be surprised if average attendance in all other sports added up to be even equal to the average football game at Troy. That's how big football is. If you suck at football, stay home, don't come! Yet we have all these dudes with mediocre FCS ability wanting to be FBS?

That's why I am very excited about ASU, GSU, and JMU (If they join), and not programs like Missouri State (3-8 last year; ranked 42nd in FCS), Liberty (6-5; ranked 57th in FCS), and Lamar (4-8; ranked 89th in FCS). I mean honestly, what do you guys think is going to happen to those teams if they join? Bake them a cake and say "hello neighbor please beat my ass"?

And for the pro-Liberty crowd, they haven't had more than 8 wins since 2008. 8 wins is ok for FCS, but unless you're snagging 10+ somewhat consistently, I'd rather not have you.

EDIT: after further review, JMU isn't the juggernaut I thought they were. We'll just have to see about them. I wanted them until I saw all those 6 and 7 win seasons. I remember watching them in the playoffs a few years ago and beating a ranked VT or WVU in maybe a different year, I don't know.

(04-01-2013 07:12 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 04:39 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Just wonder what Delaware is thinking right now.

They are thinking Yeah we will get to play SUNY Albany and SUNY Stony Brook as equals and peer instituions. Schools that were DII until the late 1990s.

Because for Delaware that is whats going to become reality. Stony Brook has a stadium that holds 8,750 and Albany's new stadium will be 10k.

Take it that Delaware is not going to replace that old 20K stadium they have then as they have been saying for years?

(04-01-2013 07:23 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Take it that Delaware is not going to replace that old 20K stadium they have then as they have been saying for years?

Ive said it many times that if Delaware were to move up they would have to spend millions to upgrade their facilities, including their overgrown high school football stadium. Because thats what it looks like.

They have alumni that could make it happen.

(04-01-2013 05:03 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 04:59 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 04:56 PM)jdcurran235 Wrote:  I have been surprised by how little Lamar has been mentioned in this latest round of expansion. I would LU would be ahead of liberty if JMU does not accept. Lamar has been talking to the Sunbelt afterall and is a former Sunbelt member. I would think ULL and TxSt would be even pushing for an LU invite.

I will say this one final time! Louisiana, ULM, stAte and Texas State will block every SLC schools attempt to get into the Sun Belt.

Like Dkembe Mtumbo

(04-01-2013 07:36 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  They have alumni that could make it happen.

They don't have leadership nor desire. I don't even know if they have the alumni. They are an older fan base that would rather see the status quo. Their alums also probably have a IA school they follow (Penn State, Temple, Maryland all within driving distance) and having Delaware IA would upset their little apple cart.

(04-01-2013 07:46 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 07:36 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  They have alumni that could make it happen.

They don't have leadership nor desire. I don't even know if they have the alumni. They are an older fan base that would rather see the status quo. Their alums also probably have a IA school they follow (Penn State, Temple, Maryland all within driving distance) and having Delaware IA would upset their little apple cart.

That's a good point, bet you are right, especially given their location.

(04-01-2013 04:19 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 04:17 PM)WinstonApp Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 04:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  This guy's profile says he is a Journalism Student at UTEP...how is he a source?

Yeahhhh...about that.

I've seen other reports floating around saying similar things, but seems VERY unlikely this is the guy to break the news. Still believe JMU is too smart to turn down a FBS invite. I know they had, and still have, different aspirations for FBS football but you have to get your foot in the door because it's clear that the nBE and C-USA are not plucking schools from the FCS-level.

Didn't CUSA pluck Old Dominion recently?

I guess I should have qualified that statement a bit. Yes, Charlotte and ODU have been taken by C-USA, but that's more a by-product of a major media market for Charlotte and a hotbed of recruiting for ODU.

As for schools like JMU and App that were waiting and waiting and waiting for a C-USA invite just because of history, winning tradition, passionate fans and excellent facilities - all things you would logically assume matter in expansion - not so much.

(04-01-2013 07:49 PM)WinstonApp Wrote:  I guess I should have qualified that statement a bit. Yes, Charlotte and ODU have been taken by C-USA, but that's more a by-product of a major media market for Charlotte and a hotbed of recruiting for ODU.

Charlotte was a former member of CUSA. And still in good standing with everyone.

(04-01-2013 08:08 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 07:49 PM)WinstonApp Wrote:  I guess I should have qualified that statement a bit. Yes, Charlotte and ODU have been taken by C-USA, but that's more a by-product of a major media market for Charlotte and a hotbed of recruiting for ODU.

Charlotte was a former member of CUSA. And still in good standing with everyone.

I get that it's April 1st but if you're trying to say that's the reason that Charlotte is back in C-USA...

Does that make the fit logical? Sure, but c'mon...Charlotte is nestled in a top-25 media market, is expected to have over 30,000 students by the end of the decade and also happens to be located in fertile recruiting grounds. What made Charlotte valuable wasn't the fact that they're a former member. By that argument, if Charlotte never joined C-USA in the first place, they wouldn't be re-joining the league now.