(03-23-2013 05:50 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  CUSA will be 5 of 14 recently Sun Belt, 5 holdovers, 2 from the defunct WAC and 1 from FCS and one totally new program. Wow.

Charlotte
UAB
WKU
ODU
La Tech
FIU
FAU
MTSU
North Texas

All have been members of the Belt in the past.

(03-23-2013 05:50 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 05:44 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  1 more step in nBE looking like CUSA

Yep. 7 of 12in nBE are very recent CUSA. 3 others were CUSA several years ago. It will be like old home week for you guys.

CUSA will be 5 of 14 recently Sun Belt, 5 holdovers, 2 from the defunct WAC and 1 from FCS and one totally new program. Wow.

Basically, if Tulsa is #12, it would be 7/12 of C-TBD is former CUSA

If WKU is added after, then 9/14 of CUSA will be former Sun Belt/WAC/FCS.

And if you're going to count Cincy, USF, etc. for CUSA status from long ago, then you're going to have to count UTEP and Rice as WAC, and WKU as FCS. But we know it wouldn't be fair to do this, because each of those programs have since built their brands from those former affiliations since all of those years ago, right?

(03-23-2013 05:53 PM)SiouxRaider1977 Wrote:  Why WKU? Why not Wichita or VCU? Also, why Tulsa, they are an excellent school with good athletics but they don't add much in the way of a media market? Not talking smack, I'm seriously asking what you guys think.

Those two schools don't play football.

(03-23-2013 05:53 PM)SiouxRaider1977 Wrote:  Why WKU? Why not Wichita or VCU? Also, why Tulsa, they are an excellent school with good athletics but they don't add much in the way of a media market? Not talking smack, I'm seriously asking what you guys think.

Out of the remaining schools available Tulsa brings winning football and a pretty decent market, somewhere in the 50's I believe. Plus they are located close to Memphis, Tulane, SMU and Houston. Makes sense. If the nBE lose another team or 2 I could see USM and maybe UMass or Charlotte or ODU being next in line.

WKU will be a good addition for C-USA.

(03-23-2013 03:36 PM)Blazer88 Wrote:  Even trade I guess, WKU makes our basketball conference stronger.

I thought CUSA should have added WKU over some of the earlier picks but this is hardly an even trade. WKU just started playing FBS level Football in 2009. They have a ton of potential and were a Div1AA powerhouse. Tulsa has two Top 25 finishes in the last 3yrs and 12 Top 25 finishes overall. Tulsa has been to 8 Bowl games in the last 10yrs including winning the Liberty Bowl twice. WKU has been to one Bowl game. Like I said, I think WKU is a very solid add to CUSA and will compete in the league right away. I am happy to see Tulsa join ECU and other CUSA schools and only wish Southern Miss was coming with them.

(03-23-2013 06:03 PM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 03:36 PM)Blazer88 Wrote:  Even trade I guess, WKU makes our basketball conference stronger.

I thought CUSA should have added WKU over some of the earlier picks but this is hardly an even trade. WKU just started playing FBS level Football in 2009. They have a ton of potential and were a Div1AA powerhouse. Tulsa has two Top 25 finishes in the last 3yrs and 12 Top 25 finishes overall. Tulsa has been to 8 Bowl games in the last 10yrs including winning the Liberty Bowl twice. WKU has been to one Bowl game. Like I said, I think WKU is a very solid add to CUSA and will compete in the league right away. I am happy to see Tulsa join ECU and other CUSA schools and only wish Southern Miss was coming with them.

True but as of right now WKU has one of the best coaches in college football. If he stays there for 3 years at least they'll be a hell of a football program.

(03-23-2013 05:06 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 04:32 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 04:09 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Would you want WKU, ULL or Arkansas State?

All 3!

That's my thought too. 16 with 2 more compact 8 team divisions and brings 3 good FB teams and good WKU basketball.

By going to 16 you essentially kill off the Sun Belt. Taking the 7 best programs out of the Belt in two years would kill it. They would have to get a waiver from the NCAA just like the WAC had to do. But would the NCAA grant that waiver again or force the remaining Sun Belt members into indy status?

This would also essentially end the upward movement of FCS schools being that they would not have any league to go to. It would increase CUSA BCS share by reducing the total conferences.

It would also tighten the East and West divisions creating better rivalries and cheaper travel. But, there are some schools on the western side of CUSA that do not want to have another school from Louisiana in the conference because they are terrified of competition.

(03-23-2013 06:05 PM)Blazer88 Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 06:03 PM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 03:36 PM)Blazer88 Wrote:  Even trade I guess, WKU makes our basketball conference stronger.

I thought CUSA should have added WKU over some of the earlier picks but this is hardly an even trade. WKU just started playing FBS level Football in 2009. They have a ton of potential and were a Div1AA powerhouse. Tulsa has two Top 25 finishes in the last 3yrs and 12 Top 25 finishes overall. Tulsa has been to 8 Bowl games in the last 10yrs including winning the Liberty Bowl twice. WKU has been to one Bowl game. Like I said, I think WKU is a very solid add to CUSA and will compete in the league right away. I am happy to see Tulsa join ECU and other CUSA schools and only wish Southern Miss was coming with them.

True but as of right now WKU has one of the most erratic coaches in college football. If he stays there for 3 years at least they'll have a lot of knocked up volleyball players, and his wife will cut his dork off with a steak knife.

FIFY.

This one makes sense.

Good luck to Tulsa if it is so.

(03-23-2013 06:05 PM)Blazer88 Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 06:03 PM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 03:36 PM)Blazer88 Wrote:  Even trade I guess, WKU makes our basketball conference stronger.

I thought CUSA should have added WKU over some of the earlier picks but this is hardly an even trade. WKU just started playing FBS level Football in 2009. They have a ton of potential and were a Div1AA powerhouse. Tulsa has two Top 25 finishes in the last 3yrs and 12 Top 25 finishes overall. Tulsa has been to 8 Bowl games in the last 10yrs including winning the Liberty Bowl twice. WKU has been to one Bowl game. Like I said, I think WKU is a very solid add to CUSA and will compete in the league right away. I am happy to see Tulsa join ECU and other CUSA schools and only wish Southern Miss was coming with them.

True but as of right now WKU has one of the best coaches in college football. If he stays there for 3 years at least they'll be a hell of a football program.

Doubt he stays 3yrs

(03-23-2013 05:53 PM)SiouxRaider1977 Wrote:  Why WKU? Why not Wichita or VCU? Also, why Tulsa, they are an excellent school with good athletics but they don't add much in the way of a media market? Not talking smack, I'm seriously asking what you guys think.

VCU???? Please no.....

(not a football school either...)

(03-23-2013 04:32 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 04:09 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Would you want WKU, ULL or Arkansas State?

All 3!

The prospect of a 16 team league scares me. Too many chances to split and reform later on.

Of course, I really don't care what ASU does. I don't see any chance we don't have a conference home, so if our administration says that SBC is the right call, I'll happily stay. Its not that I don't appreciate our rivalries with MTSU and WKU, but I am pretty confident we would dominate the SBC for a few years with move ups, which might be better for our program in the long run.

(03-23-2013 05:56 PM)Texas2Step Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 05:50 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 05:44 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  1 more step in nBE looking like CUSA

Yep. 7 of 12in nBE are very recent CUSA. 3 others were CUSA several years ago. It will be like old home week for you guys.

CUSA will be 5 of 14 recently Sun Belt, 5 holdovers, 2 from the defunct WAC and 1 from FCS and one totally new program. Wow.

Basically, if Tulsa is #12, it would be 7/12 of C-TBD is former CUSA

If WKU is added after, then 9/14 of CUSA will be former Sun Belt/WAC/FCS.

And if you're going to count Cincy, USF, etc. for CUSA status from long ago, then you're going to have to count UTEP and Rice as WAC, and WKU as FCS. But we know it wouldn't be fair to do this, because each of those programs have since built their brands from those former affiliations since all of those years ago, right?

Why stop there? Go all the way back to the beginning. We are all new athletic programs who just began sports.

(03-23-2013 06:13 PM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 06:05 PM)Blazer88 Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 06:03 PM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 03:36 PM)Blazer88 Wrote:  Even trade I guess, WKU makes our basketball conference stronger.

I thought CUSA should have added WKU over some of the earlier picks but this is hardly an even trade. WKU just started playing FBS level Football in 2009. They have a ton of potential and were a Div1AA powerhouse. Tulsa has two Top 25 finishes in the last 3yrs and 12 Top 25 finishes overall. Tulsa has been to 8 Bowl games in the last 10yrs including winning the Liberty Bowl twice. WKU has been to one Bowl game. Like I said, I think WKU is a very solid add to CUSA and will compete in the league right away. I am happy to see Tulsa join ECU and other CUSA schools and only wish Southern Miss was coming with them.

True but as of right now WKU has one of the best coaches in college football. If he stays there for 3 years at least they'll be a hell of a football program.

Doubt he stays 3yrs

Well the only way that happens is of he has continued success which will be great for WKU & potentially CUSA.

(03-23-2013 08:36 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 05:56 PM)Texas2Step Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 05:50 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 05:44 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  1 more step in nBE looking like CUSA

Yep. 7 of 12in nBE are very recent CUSA. 3 others were CUSA several years ago. It will be like old home week for you guys.

CUSA will be 5 of 14 recently Sun Belt, 5 holdovers, 2 from the defunct WAC and 1 from FCS and one totally new program. Wow.

Basically, if Tulsa is #12, it would be 7/12 of C-TBD is former CUSA

If WKU is added after, then 9/14 of CUSA will be former Sun Belt/WAC/FCS.

And if you're going to count Cincy, USF, etc. for CUSA status from long ago, then you're going to have to count UTEP and Rice as WAC, and WKU as FCS. But we know it wouldn't be fair to do this, because each of those programs have since built their brands from those former affiliations since all of those years ago, right?

Why stop there? Go all the way back to the beginning. We are all new athletic programs who just began sports.

We are all people with an average life span of 20 years who cannot form complex thoughts. We roam about our abundant grasslands as the odd creatures walking around on our hind legs only. We do this because our intellect allows us to feed ourselves better than other animals, thus allowing us to waste energy in an inefficient form of locomotion.

Next up on the agenda? Simple hand tools. None of that biting and tearing for creatures as complex us.

(03-23-2013 08:42 PM)Freshy Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 08:36 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 05:56 PM)Texas2Step Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 05:50 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 05:44 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  1 more step in nBE looking like CUSA

Yep. 7 of 12in nBE are very recent CUSA. 3 others were CUSA several years ago. It will be like old home week for you guys.

CUSA will be 5 of 14 recently Sun Belt, 5 holdovers, 2 from the defunct WAC and 1 from FCS and one totally new program. Wow.

Basically, if Tulsa is #12, it would be 7/12 of C-TBD is former CUSA

If WKU is added after, then 9/14 of CUSA will be former Sun Belt/WAC/FCS.

And if you're going to count Cincy, USF, etc. for CUSA status from long ago, then you're going to have to count UTEP and Rice as WAC, and WKU as FCS. But we know it wouldn't be fair to do this, because each of those programs have since built their brands from those former affiliations since all of those years ago, right?

Why stop there? Go all the way back to the beginning. We are all new athletic programs who just began sports.

We are all people with an average life span of 20 years who cannot form complex thoughts. We roam about our abundant grasslands as the odd creatures walking around on our hind legs only. We do this because our intellect allows us to feed ourselves better than other animals, thus allowing us to waste energy in an inefficient form of locomotion.

Next up on the agenda? Simple hand tools. None of that biting and tearing for creatures as complex us.

Are you talking early man or Ole Miss and WVU fans?

(03-23-2013 08:44 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 08:42 PM)Freshy Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 08:36 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 05:56 PM)Texas2Step Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 05:50 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Yep. 7 of 12in nBE are very recent CUSA. 3 others were CUSA several years ago. It will be like old home week for you guys.

CUSA will be 5 of 14 recently Sun Belt, 5 holdovers, 2 from the defunct WAC and 1 from FCS and one totally new program. Wow.

Basically, if Tulsa is #12, it would be 7/12 of C-TBD is former CUSA

If WKU is added after, then 9/14 of CUSA will be former Sun Belt/WAC/FCS.

And if you're going to count Cincy, USF, etc. for CUSA status from long ago, then you're going to have to count UTEP and Rice as WAC, and WKU as FCS. But we know it wouldn't be fair to do this, because each of those programs have since built their brands from those former affiliations since all of those years ago, right?

Why stop there? Go all the way back to the beginning. We are all new athletic programs who just began sports.

We are all people with an average life span of 20 years who cannot form complex thoughts. We roam about our abundant grasslands as the odd creatures walking around on our hind legs only. We do this because our intellect allows us to feed ourselves better than other animals, thus allowing us to waste energy in an inefficient form of locomotion.

Next up on the agenda? Simple hand tools. None of that biting and tearing for creatures as complex us.

Are you talking early man or Ole Miss and WVU fans?

I can't speak for WVU, but I am pretty sure Ole Miss fans are evolving in the opposite direction.

IF Tulsa leaves, and there is no certainty of that, I think Texas State will be the next school added.

(03-23-2013 08:52 PM)TU 1978 Wrote:  IF Tulsa leaves, and there is no certainty of that, I think Texas State will be the next school added.

I agree - there is no certainty that Tulsa moves - it's far from an easy choice. I don't agree that TSU is next in line - I think it'll be WKU.