(03-21-2013 08:52 AM)Roader Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 08:00 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Louisville - no titles as a member of the Big East, no titles in the past 25 years
Cincinnati - no titles as a member of the Big East, no titles in the past 50 years
Pitt - no titles in the entire tournament era, much less as a member of the Big East

St. Louis - not a new member of the Big East
Dayton - not a new member of the Big East

Being "a better Big East" does not mean more titles. It is better in terms of true rivalries, in terms of institutional fit, in terms of stability. Especially in terms of stability. That's what these presidents want. Yes, they want to compete in sports at a high level, which this conference will due, but they'd like to have the security of being able to predict who their membership will be in 5 years. They'd like to know who their colleagues are going to be in the future.

As for future championships, Final Fours, or Final 8's, what will matter will be how many are won in the future. That's how this conference will be judged, not how many were won 25 years ago or 50 years ago.

Is this new conference stable? What happens when GT finds green pastures? Eventually ACC is going to expand or be raided and everyone knows they would love to be associated with those schools and not Creighton, VCU, UD, SLU, X, Butler, etc (should any of the three mentioned get in to the NBE)

Stop. Please.

All sports conferences are not adding non-football schools. Only Notre Dame has been added without football and that's with the hope that they will move their football into the conference some day.

Georgetown is not going anywhere.

(03-15-2013 11:49 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 10:42 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 08:56 AM)jnewyouth Wrote:  Atleast the Times respects you. ESPN doesn't acknowledge the new (C7) Big East, claims this is the last Big East Tournament ever.

Technically it is. This Big East will be somewhat of a spinoff.

I don't see how half the teams is a spinoff. It's just sports writers being idiots thinking that the league is 3 or 4 teams who wont be there anymore. Is anyone really eulogizing UofL who has been here for what 7 years? It's about the last time Cuse, ND and Pitt will play in this tournament. UConn would have been in there too if they were eligible. They aren't pinning for more Rutgers or USF Big East tournament appearances.

Next year 5 of the 8 original teams will still be playing in the Big East tournament at MSG. How is that a spin off?

Actually 8 yrs, and I think we have contibuted more in our time here than your team. In fact I know we have. Save your eulogies for someone that needs them, we're off to the ACC.

(03-29-2013 04:07 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 11:49 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 10:42 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 08:56 AM)jnewyouth Wrote:  Atleast the Times respects you. ESPN doesn't acknowledge the new (C7) Big East, claims this is the last Big East Tournament ever.

Technically it is. This Big East will be somewhat of a spinoff.

I don't see how half the teams is a spinoff. It's just sports writers being idiots thinking that the league is 3 or 4 teams who wont be there anymore. Is anyone really eulogizing UofL who has been here for what 7 years? It's about the last time Cuse, ND and Pitt will play in this tournament. UConn would have been in there too if they were eligible. They aren't pinning for more Rutgers or USF Big East tournament appearances.

Next year 5 of the 8 original teams will still be playing in the Big East tournament at MSG. How is that a spin off?

Actually 8 yrs, and I think we have contibuted more in our time here than your team. In fact I know we have. Save your eulogies for someone that needs them, we're off to the ACC.

Hahaha who is this guy and why does he think I was writing a eulogy?

I think helping create the league helped more than a few wins. In fact I'd say the league helped UofL more than UofL helped the league.

(03-29-2013 04:07 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 11:49 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 10:42 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 08:56 AM)jnewyouth Wrote:  Atleast the Times respects you. ESPN doesn't acknowledge the new (C7) Big East, claims this is the last Big East Tournament ever.

Technically it is. This Big East will be somewhat of a spinoff.

I don't see how half the teams is a spinoff. It's just sports writers being idiots thinking that the league is 3 or 4 teams who wont be there anymore. Is anyone really eulogizing UofL who has been here for what 7 years? It's about the last time Cuse, ND and Pitt will play in this tournament. UConn would have been in there too if they were eligible. They aren't pinning for more Rutgers or USF Big East tournament appearances.

Next year 5 of the 8 original teams will still be playing in the Big East tournament at MSG. How is that a spin off?

Actually 8 yrs, and I think we have contibuted more in our time here than your team. In fact I know we have. Save your eulogies for someone that needs them, we're off to the ACC.

You're delusional.

(03-29-2013 04:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 04:07 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 11:49 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 10:42 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 08:56 AM)jnewyouth Wrote:  Atleast the Times respects you. ESPN doesn't acknowledge the new (C7) Big East, claims this is the last Big East Tournament ever.

Technically it is. This Big East will be somewhat of a spinoff.

I don't see how half the teams is a spinoff. It's just sports writers being idiots thinking that the league is 3 or 4 teams who wont be there anymore. Is anyone really eulogizing UofL who has been here for what 7 years? It's about the last time Cuse, ND and Pitt will play in this tournament. UConn would have been in there too if they were eligible. They aren't pinning for more Rutgers or USF Big East tournament appearances.

Next year 5 of the 8 original teams will still be playing in the Big East tournament at MSG. How is that a spin off?

Actually 8 yrs, and I think we have contibuted more in our time here than your team. In fact I know we have. Save your eulogies for someone that needs them, we're off to the ACC.

Hahaha who is this guy and why does he think I was writing a eulogy?

I think helping create the league helped more than a few wins. In fact I'd say the league helped UofL more than UofL helped the league.

He doesn't even know history while each has been in the Big East.

St. John's = 5 regular season conference titles + 3 tournament titles
Louisville = 2 regular season titles + 3 tournament titles.

St. John's = 3 Elite 8's + 1 Final Four
Louisville = 4 Elite 8's + 1 Final Four

(03-30-2013 01:57 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 04:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 04:07 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 11:49 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 10:42 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Technically it is. This Big East will be somewhat of a spinoff.

I don't see how half the teams is a spinoff. It's just sports writers being idiots thinking that the league is 3 or 4 teams who wont be there anymore. Is anyone really eulogizing UofL who has been here for what 7 years? It's about the last time Cuse, ND and Pitt will play in this tournament. UConn would have been in there too if they were eligible. They aren't pinning for more Rutgers or USF Big East tournament appearances.

Next year 5 of the 8 original teams will still be playing in the Big East tournament at MSG. How is that a spin off?

Actually 8 yrs, and I think we have contibuted more in our time here than your team. In fact I know we have. Save your eulogies for someone that needs them, we're off to the ACC.

Hahaha who is this guy and why does he think I was writing a eulogy?

I think helping create the league helped more than a few wins. In fact I'd say the league helped UofL more than UofL helped the league.

He doesn't even know history while each has been in the Big East.

St. John's = 5 regular season conference titles + 3 tournament titles
Louisville = 2 regular season titles + 3 tournament titles.

St. John's = 3 Elite 8's + 1 Final Four
Louisville = 4 Elite 8's + 1 Final Four

Of course it took the former 34 years to accumulate those numbers while the latter did it in 8 years.

Cheers,
Neil

(03-30-2013 11:21 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 01:57 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 04:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 04:07 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  

(03-15-2013 11:49 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I don't see how half the teams is a spinoff. It's just sports writers being idiots thinking that the league is 3 or 4 teams who wont be there anymore. Is anyone really eulogizing UofL who has been here for what 7 years? It's about the last time Cuse, ND and Pitt will play in this tournament. UConn would have been in there too if they were eligible. They aren't pinning for more Rutgers or USF Big East tournament appearances.

Next year 5 of the 8 original teams will still be playing in the Big East tournament at MSG. How is that a spin off?

Actually 8 yrs, and I think we have contibuted more in our time here than your team. In fact I know we have. Save your eulogies for someone that needs them, we're off to the ACC.

Hahaha who is this guy and why does he think I was writing a eulogy?

I think helping create the league helped more than a few wins. In fact I'd say the league helped UofL more than UofL helped the league.

He doesn't even know history while each has been in the Big East.

St. John's = 5 regular season conference titles + 3 tournament titles
Louisville = 2 regular season titles + 3 tournament titles.

St. John's = 3 Elite 8's + 1 Final Four
Louisville = 4 Elite 8's + 1 Final Four

Of course it took the former 34 years to accumulate those numbers while the latter did it in 8 years.

Cheers,
Neil

Of course . . .

So, what's the point?

(03-31-2013 05:43 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 11:21 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 01:57 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 04:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 04:07 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  Actually 8 yrs, and I think we have contibuted more in our time here than your team. In fact I know we have. Save your eulogies for someone that needs them, we're off to the ACC.

Hahaha who is this guy and why does he think I was writing a eulogy?

I think helping create the league helped more than a few wins. In fact I'd say the league helped UofL more than UofL helped the league.

He doesn't even know history while each has been in the Big East.

St. John's = 5 regular season conference titles + 3 tournament titles
Louisville = 2 regular season titles + 3 tournament titles.

St. John's = 3 Elite 8's + 1 Final Four
Louisville = 4 Elite 8's + 1 Final Four

Of course it took the former 34 years to accumulate those numbers while the latter did it in 8 years.

Cheers,
Neil

Of course . . .

So, what's the point?

They only think of wins and loses as contributions, not the fact that some schools actually put the hard work in to actually form a conference and nurture it into a strong league with lasting power.

(03-31-2013 11:32 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 05:43 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 11:21 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 01:57 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 04:21 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Hahaha who is this guy and why does he think I was writing a eulogy?

I think helping create the league helped more than a few wins. In fact I'd say the league helped UofL more than UofL helped the league.

He doesn't even know history while each has been in the Big East.

St. John's = 5 regular season conference titles + 3 tournament titles
Louisville = 2 regular season titles + 3 tournament titles.

St. John's = 3 Elite 8's + 1 Final Four
Louisville = 4 Elite 8's + 1 Final Four

Of course it took the former 34 years to accumulate those numbers while the latter did it in 8 years.

Cheers,
Neil

Of course . . .

So, what's the point?

They only think of wins and loses as contributions, not the fact that some schools actually put the hard work in to actually form a conference and nurture it into a strong league with lasting power.

Actually it was the UConn fan who tried to reduce the contributions to the numbers. I just pointed out the discrepancy in years it took to reach those numbers.

Anyone who doesn't realize that Louisville would have as much an impact on the Big East brand (had the league stayed together over the next 5 years) as St. John's has had is fooling themselves.

We are talking about a Top 7 program of all-time, who gets full year coverage and who, after ND, has the best the overall athletics as well.

Peace,
Neil

(03-31-2013 01:21 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 11:32 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 05:43 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 11:21 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 01:57 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  He doesn't even know history while each has been in the Big East.

St. John's = 5 regular season conference titles + 3 tournament titles
Louisville = 2 regular season titles + 3 tournament titles.

St. John's = 3 Elite 8's + 1 Final Four
Louisville = 4 Elite 8's + 1 Final Four

Of course it took the former 34 years to accumulate those numbers while the latter did it in 8 years.

Cheers,
Neil

Of course . . .

So, what's the point?

They only think of wins and loses as contributions, not the fact that some schools actually put the hard work in to actually form a conference and nurture it into a strong league with lasting power.

Actually it was the UConn fan who tried to reduce the contributions to the numbers. I just pointed out the discrepancy in years it took to reach those numbers.

Anyone who doesn't realize that Louisville would have as much an impact on the Big East brand (had the league stayed together over the next 5 years) as St. John's has had is fooling themselves.

We are talking about a Top 7 program of all-time, who gets full year coverage and who, after ND, has the best the overall athletics as well.

Peace,
Neil

St. John's is top 7 wins all time if we want to get into numbers.

(03-31-2013 05:56 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 01:21 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 11:32 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 05:43 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 11:21 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Of course it took the former 34 years to accumulate those numbers while the latter did it in 8 years.

Cheers,
Neil

Of course . . .

So, what's the point?

They only think of wins and loses as contributions, not the fact that some schools actually put the hard work in to actually form a conference and nurture it into a strong league with lasting power.

Actually it was the UConn fan who tried to reduce the contributions to the numbers. I just pointed out the discrepancy in years it took to reach those numbers.

Anyone who doesn't realize that Louisville would have as much an impact on the Big East brand (had the league stayed together over the next 5 years) as St. John's has had is fooling themselves.

We are talking about a Top 7 program of all-time, who gets full year coverage and who, after ND, has the best the overall athletics as well.

Peace,
Neil

St. John's is top 7 wins all time if we want to get into numbers.

Yes and that's great. But in 5-7 years, Louisville will surpass you there as well.

Listen, St. John's is an all-time Top 15-20 program and the Big East will do just fine with Butler, Xavier, and Creighton added to Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, and St. John's. And it looks like you made out well in terms of TV $$$.

But the days of the Big East sending multiple teams to the Elite 8 on a consistent basis (3 times out of the last 5) and at least 1 team to the Final 4 every year (like they have the last 5) are over.

Peace,
Neil

top 7 wins is not the same as being a top 7 program. Never won a championship. Kind of tough to put them ahead of UCLA, Duke, UNC, Louisville, Kentucky, Indiana just off the top. UConn and Kansas probably both way ahead with 3 titles each.

Oh and St John's will likely fall down to 9th next year- UCLA I believe is 1 win behind, and Notre Dame is 6.

Oh and if you say that wins are all that matters, we by doing the split dropped the #6 wins team of all time in Temple. And 21 Cincy and 27 UConn.

(03-31-2013 08:26 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 05:56 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 01:21 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 11:32 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 05:43 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Of course . . .

So, what's the point?

They only think of wins and loses as contributions, not the fact that some schools actually put the hard work in to actually form a conference and nurture it into a strong league with lasting power.

Actually it was the UConn fan who tried to reduce the contributions to the numbers. I just pointed out the discrepancy in years it took to reach those numbers.

Anyone who doesn't realize that Louisville would have as much an impact on the Big East brand (had the league stayed together over the next 5 years) as St. John's has had is fooling themselves.

We are talking about a Top 7 program of all-time, who gets full year coverage and who, after ND, has the best the overall athletics as well.

Peace,
Neil

St. John's is top 7 wins all time if we want to get into numbers.

Yes and that's great. But in 5-7 years, Louisville will surpass you there as well.

Listen, St. John's is an all-time Top 15-20 program and the Big East will do just fine with Butler, Xavier, and Creighton added to Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, and St. John's. And it looks like you made out well in terms of TV $$$.

But the days of the Big East sending multiple teams to the Elite 8 on a consistent basis (3 times out of the last 5) and at least 1 team to the Final 4 every year (like they have the last 5) are over.

Peace,
Neil

Wow. Didn't realize the days where we needed to play the games were over. Tell me, who takes over that role? ACC? MVC?

(03-31-2013 08:26 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 05:56 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 01:21 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 11:32 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 05:43 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Of course . . .

So, what's the point?

They only think of wins and loses as contributions, not the fact that some schools actually put the hard work in to actually form a conference and nurture it into a strong league with lasting power.

Actually it was the UConn fan who tried to reduce the contributions to the numbers. I just pointed out the discrepancy in years it took to reach those numbers.

Anyone who doesn't realize that Louisville would have as much an impact on the Big East brand (had the league stayed together over the next 5 years) as St. John's has had is fooling themselves.

We are talking about a Top 7 program of all-time, who gets full year coverage and who, after ND, has the best the overall athletics as well.

Peace,
Neil

St. John's is top 7 wins all time if we want to get into numbers.

Yes and that's great. But in 5-7 years, Louisville will surpass you there as well.

Listen, St. John's is an all-time Top 15-20 program and the Big East will do just fine with Butler, Xavier, and Creighton added to Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, and St. John's. And it looks like you made out well in terms of TV $$$.

But the days of the Big East sending multiple teams to the Elite 8 on a consistent basis (3 times out of the last 5) and at least 1 team to the Final 4 every year (like they have the last 5) are over.

Peace,
Neil

If you know the future why aren't you playing the lotto?

(03-31-2013 08:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  top 7 wins is not the same as being a top 7 program. Never won a championship. Kind of tough to put them ahead of UCLA, Duke, UNC, Louisville, Kentucky, Indiana just off the top. UConn and Kansas probably both way ahead with 3 titles each.

Oh and St John's will likely fall down to 9th next year- UCLA I believe is 1 win behind, and Notre Dame is 6.

Oh and if you say that wins are all that matters, we by doing the split dropped the #6 wins team of all time in Temple. And 21 Cincy and 27 UConn.

Are you done?

wow Redman as condescending as ever tonight.

(03-31-2013 08:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  top 7 wins is not the same as being a top 7 program. Never won a championship. Kind of tough to put them ahead of UCLA, Duke, UNC, Louisville, Kentucky, Indiana just off the top. UConn and Kansas probably both way ahead with 3 titles each.

Oh and St John's will likely fall down to 9th next year- UCLA I believe is 1 win behind, and Notre Dame is 6.

Oh and if you say that wins are all that matters, we by doing the split dropped the #6 wins team of all time in Temple. And 21 Cincy and 27 UConn.

St. John's never won a national championship?

They won the 1944 NIT over a field that included NCAA champ Utah. How is that not a national championship?

They have a history that goes back as far as their 1913 team that was recognized by the Helms foundation for the mythical national championship.

I'm not a big fan of talking "all time", but if we're going to have that conversation, St. John's has some major accolades to fall back on, including 4 NIT titles up through 1965 in an era when that tournament still included teams ranked in the top ten.

(03-31-2013 08:26 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 05:56 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 01:21 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 11:32 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 05:43 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Of course . . .

So, what's the point?

They only think of wins and loses as contributions, not the fact that some schools actually put the hard work in to actually form a conference and nurture it into a strong league with lasting power.

Actually it was the UConn fan who tried to reduce the contributions to the numbers. I just pointed out the discrepancy in years it took to reach those numbers.

Anyone who doesn't realize that Louisville would have as much an impact on the Big East brand (had the league stayed together over the next 5 years) as St. John's has had is fooling themselves.

We are talking about a Top 7 program of all-time, who gets full year coverage and who, after ND, has the best the overall athletics as well.

Peace,
Neil

St. John's is top 7 wins all time if we want to get into numbers.

Yes and that's great. But in 5-7 years, Louisville will surpass you there as well.

Listen, St. John's is an all-time Top 15-20 program and the Big East will do just fine with Butler, Xavier, and Creighton added to Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, and St. John's. And it looks like you made out well in terms of TV $$$.

But the days of the Big East sending multiple teams to the Elite 8 on a consistent basis (3 times out of the last 5) and at least 1 team to the Final 4 every year (like they have the last 5) are over.

Peace,
Neil

I think I'll wait for history to decide those things instead of taking your word for it if you don't mind.

ok so maybe 1 championship for St John's. That's not the same as what the others have done(all of the group UCLA, Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Indiana, UConn, and Kansas have 3+ titles, and Louisville is favored to get their 3rd this year).

(03-31-2013 09:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  wow Redman as condescending as ever tonight.

Huh? Redmen fans have been condescending?