(03-13-2013 03:48 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 03:41 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 12:33 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  that's like saying the Big East during the 80's was a mid major conference because it didn't sponsor football.

Yes, that's exactly what I AM saying.

Ok then we couldn't disagree more.

But to football people, the Big East may have been considered a mid-major conference. Growing up, most people didnt consider any conference that didnt sponsor football as "major". Not saying thats right or wrong--but that attitude is pretty common.

(03-13-2013 06:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 03:48 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 03:41 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 12:33 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  that's like saying the Big East during the 80's was a mid major conference because it didn't sponsor football.

Yes, that's exactly what I AM saying.

Ok then we couldn't disagree more.

But to football people, the Big East may have been considered a mid-major conference. Growing up, most people didnt consider any conference that didnt sponsor football as "major". Not saying thats right or wrong--but that attitude is pretty common.

That must be a Texas thing, because even in the heart of ACC country no one dared considered the Big East anything other than a major basketball conference. I think too many people either weren't around or can't remember what the college landscape was like pre-BCS.

Unfortunately, I don't have any RPI data prior to the 1993-94 season, so there is nothing to show the comparative strength of the old version of the Metro (pre-91) to other leagues. As far as RPI for the final two seasons of the GMC and the Metro and the first 10 years of C-USA, here you go:

RPI ranking for the Great Midwest, Metro and Conference USA, 1993-94 to 2004-05
1993-94 (Great Midwest): #6
1993-94 (Metro): #4
1994-95 (Great Midwest): #8
1994-95 (Metro): #3
1995-96 (C-USA): #5
1996-97 (C-USA): #9
1997-98 (C-USA): #8
1998-99 (C-USA): #6
1999-00 (C-USA): #5
2000-01 (C-USA): #10
2001-02 (C-USA): #8
2002-03 (C-USA): #8
2003-04 (C-USA): #5
2004-05 (C-USA): #9

(03-13-2013 06:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 06:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  But to football people, the Big East may have been considered a mid-major conference. Growing up, most people didnt consider any conference that didnt sponsor football as "major". Not saying thats right or wrong--but that attitude is pretty common.

That must be a Texas thing, because even in the heart of ACC country no one dared considered the Big East anything other than a major basketball conference. I think too many people either weren't around or can't remember what the college landscape was like pre-BCS.

Well, I wonder actually if the people who don't consider the Metro a major conference consider the ACC in the 1980s to be a major conference. They didn't have a major bowl tie in. Clemson and Georgia Tech won national titles, but so did BYU.

I looked at the AP Poll Archive, top ten appearances 1980-89. Three ACC schools (Clemson, UNC and Maryland) cracked the top ten, the same number as the then-Big East (BC, Syracuse, Pitt) and the then-Metro (Florida State, South Carolina, Southern Miss) and the WAC (BYU, Air Force, Wyoming.) (Georgia Tech's title was maybe in 1990? I don't care.)

Nobody called the WAC a major conference in the 1980s. What about the ACC? Were they major?

(03-13-2013 06:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 03:48 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 03:41 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 12:33 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  that's like saying the Big East during the 80's was a mid major conference because it didn't sponsor football.

Yes, that's exactly what I AM saying.

Ok then we couldn't disagree more.

But to football people, the Big East may have been considered a mid-major conference. Growing up, most people didnt consider any conference that didnt sponsor football as "major". Not saying thats right or wrong--but that attitude is pretty common.

good grief, i never wanted my school to join the big east, i wanted my school to join a conference with a bcs payout. seriously, didnt connectcut lose like about 25 million dolltars in their las bcs game. good football schools have been looking for a way out of the big east for 25 years. if wouldnt care if we ditched connecticut for southern miss tomorrow. temple almost quit playing football so few people cared. as for cincy, they are definitely the tallest midget at the table but come on, a football power such that we should tremble with fear? i think not.
usf was purely a florida replacement for the tampa market when they were invited. usf coulda been tampa junior college for nails and glamour and they would have been invited for the tampa market.

the school with the greatest growth potential in terms of academics and sports is the one with the mouse ears.

(03-12-2013 08:13 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:02 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  I thought of Big Metro over a month ago.....

I like the way that sounds.....

(03-12-2013 08:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:05 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Big Metro beats A12

Agreed. I wasnt a big Metro supporter, but after that America-12 near miss, Im fine if we just go with some variation of Metro. Id like a traditional modifier to make it sound a little older--Big Metro, Eastern Metro, Great Metro, Atlantic Metro, blah, blah, blah...

Wait --- as the "Big Metro" we'll be known as the 'BM' Conference.

the Metro America Conference is better. MAC is better than BM wait...nevermind

(03-13-2013 07:12 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:13 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:02 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  I thought of Big Metro over a month ago.....

I like the way that sounds.....

(03-12-2013 08:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:05 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Big Metro beats A12

Agreed. I wasnt a big Metro supporter, but after that America-12 near miss, Im fine if we just go with some variation of Metro. Id like a traditional modifier to make it sound a little older--Big Metro, Eastern Metro, Great Metro, Atlantic Metro, blah, blah, blah...

Wait --- as the "Big Metro" we'll be known as the 'BM' Conference.

the Metro America Conference is better. MAC is better than BM wait...nevermind

Don't get tricky...just call it the Metro Conference.

Some of you don't understand where the term "mid-major" originated, or what it meant. IIRC, the term was coined by a basketball writer in the 1950s or 1960s. Just like today, there were perhaps 30-33 college basketball conferences. To better describe them, this guy started calling the top 10 or 11 "high major," the next 10-11 "mid-major," and the bottom teams "low major."

Somehow, that has incorrectly evolved into the 5-6 power FOOTBALL conferences being "major" in basketball, and everybody else being "mid-major."

(03-13-2013 08:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Some of you don't understand where the term "mid-major" originated, or what it meant. IIRC, the term was coined by a basketball writer in the 1950s or 1960s. Just like today, there were perhaps 30-33 college basketball conferences. To better describe them, this guy started calling the top 10 or 11 "high major," the next 10-11 "mid-major," and the bottom teams "low major."

Somehow, that has incorrectly evolved into the 5-6 power FOOTBALL conferences being "major" in basketball, and everybody else being "mid-major."

has anyone been called a low major

(03-13-2013 09:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Some of you don't understand where the term "mid-major" originated, or what it meant. IIRC, the term was coined by a basketball writer in the 1950s or 1960s. Just like today, there were perhaps 30-33 college basketball conferences. To better describe them, this guy started calling the top 10 or 11 "high major," the next 10-11 "mid-major," and the bottom teams "low major."

Somehow, that has incorrectly evolved into the 5-6 power FOOTBALL conferences being "major" in basketball, and everybody else being "mid-major."

has anyone been called a low major

They used to be, 50 years ago. Some old-time AAU guys still describe talent as high, mid and low major talent.

Metro = Permanent Mid Major Status.

No to Metro. Just NO.

(03-13-2013 09:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Metro = Permanent Mid Major Status.

No to Metro. Just NO.

That was solidified the day the name was sold.

(03-13-2013 09:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Some of you don't understand where the term "mid-major" originated, or what it meant. IIRC, the term was coined by a basketball writer in the 1950s or 1960s. Just like today, there were perhaps 30-33 college basketball conferences. To better describe them, this guy started calling the top 10 or 11 "high major," the next 10-11 "mid-major," and the bottom teams "low major."

Somehow, that has incorrectly evolved into the 5-6 power FOOTBALL conferences being "major" in basketball, and everybody else being "mid-major."

has anyone been called a low major

The one-bid basketball leagues such as the Southland are often described as low-major

How about the Urban Players, instead?

(03-13-2013 10:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Metro = Permanent Mid Major Status.

No to Metro. Just NO.

That was solidified the day the name was sold.

Yep.

METRO: MINOR LEAGUE, MID MAJOR, FAILED BASKETBALL LEAGUE NAME.

Just Stop. Stop. We need something new and fresh, not a rehashed failed league. Metro: Permanently cementing your school into mid major status.

Should have thought about that before the name sale.