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From what I have heard, it's sad to see the noob schools reaction to the blogs/articles that were initially reported as well as to their knee-jerk fan reactions.

In any event, lets get this settled and move on.

The Cats need to find a way out of this.

I guess ajerseyguy saying the newbies should just sit down and shut up without any money will settle that issue. I'm not sure that gap can be bridged.

At the end of the day UC, UConn, and USF will receive installments to off set the TV contract. If they leave where do you think that money is going? If the conference stays together, I am sure the next TV deal will be larger.

(03-10-2013 09:12 AM)Topkat Wrote:  http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=5634

From what I have heard, it's sad to see the noob schools reaction to the blogs/articles that were initially reported as well as to their knee-jerk fan reactions.

In any event, lets get this settled and move on.

The Cats need to find a way out of this.

who are the cats...how do the cats connect with snoopy?

(03-10-2013 09:21 AM)Claw Wrote:  I guess ajerseyguy saying the newbies should just sit down and shut up without any money will settle that issue. I'm not sure that gap can be bridged.

A large chunk of the sixty million will end up in the newbies hands anyway when UConn and Cinn jump ship for the ACC after it is raided again. Just be patient. Not so sure USF has any place to go in the future though so they will end up with their thirty million eventually. If the B-12 takes Clemson and FSU and stops, and everyone else puts expansion on hold, the ACC will be happy to settle with just Miami in the Florida market while Cinn joins as a travel partner for L'Ville, and UConn joins Pitt, BC, and Syracuse to strengthen their BB hold on the NE.

I don't think Blausdschun has a high IQ.

Blaudschun is officially trolling you guys with this blogpost.

I understand how the newbs feel.

UConn, Cincy, and USF should be paying entrance fees for joining the latest version of Conference USA.

Blaudschun is echoing the position held by the 3 schools and many others. But in any dispute, there are 2 sides to almost every story. I understand Blaudschun's position. The 3 were in the conference and the others weren't. They were damaged, while the others are coming to a better situation, although nothing like they expected. I get it.

But the other side of the coin is that the $10M initially offered only covers half the cost of our entrance fees to join 3 schools that got us maybe $500K more than we make now. If we had known we would lose 10 of the 13 schools we thought we were joining, a lot of us may not have moved. Then what would the 3 do. Plus we were damaged, too. Memphis is still on the hook for a $500K exit fee, plus up to $6M in TV damages, although it is negotiable. We are also leavng behind millions in NCAA credits. They will reduce the TV damage claim, but we're still losing them.

When, this first came to light, I said the minimum should at least be to eliminate the entry fees, which were included in the war chest totals. Plus, we will be full members before UL and RU leave, and here during the collection of the money coming in over the next 5-7 years. IMO, a fair compromise is elimination of the entry fees and loss of claim to any money that comes in after any of the 3 depart.

I think he has forgotten that the Big East raided C-USA to SAVE the Big East just like they did once before. We gleefully jumped at the chance to move up to the big leagues just as the original group gleefully jumped. We were happy to pay big exit and entrance fees, because we were joining a BCS conference and the money would be flowing.

Now lets fast forward to where we are today. The BCS status is gone, the Big East name has been sold, the football heavyweights are gone, basketball prestige gone, money gone.

There is nothing left to JOIN! There is NO conference! There are 3 schools desperately sitting by the phone hoping to God the ACC will call, and they want the saviors to bend over and take their medicine like big boys?

I don't think so.

(03-10-2013 09:55 AM)lollaperuna Wrote:  I think he has forgotten that the Big East raided C-USA to SAVE the Big East just like they did once before. We gleefully jumped at the chance to move up to the big leagues just as the original group gleefully jumped. We were happy to pay big exit and entrance fees, because we were joining a BCS conference and the money would be flowing.

Now lets fast forward to where we are today. The BCS status is gone, the Big East name has been sold, the football heavyweights are gone, basketball prestige gone, money gone.

There is nothing left to JOIN! There is NO conference! There are 3 schools desperately sitting by the phone hoping to God the ACC will call, and they want the saviors to bend over and take their medicine like big boys?

I don't think so.

So, exactly why are you entitled to a share of the exit fees?

By my count, the exit fees represent $55 million of the $85 million in question. If the other $30 million were simply split in half between the two sides, the result would be $70 million to the remaining 3 (UConn, UC, USF) rather than the $76 million that rumors have reported. Not much of a difference.

(03-10-2013 09:55 AM)lollaperuna Wrote:  I think he has forgotten that the Big East raided C-USA to SAVE the Big East just like they did once before. We gleefully jumped at the chance to move up to the big leagues just as the original group gleefully jumped. We were happy to pay big exit and entrance fees, because we were joining a BCS conference and the money would be flowing.

Now lets fast forward to where we are today. The BCS status is gone, the Big East name has been sold, the football heavyweights are gone, basketball prestige gone, money gone.

There is nothing left to JOIN! There is NO conference! There are 3 schools desperately sitting by the phone hoping to God the ACC will call, and they want the saviors to bend over and take their medicine like big boys?

I don't think so.

UH, SMU, UCF and Memphis definitely feel the greatest sting from this deal because you guys signed up to a far superior conference then what you got. Hindsight is 20/20 people feel you should have all seen Rutgers going to the Big1G...which nobody predicted and the C7 leaving which was always talked about but Fox coming on board with a two new channels and willing to pay the C7 extra money to bolt was not exactly predicted by many.

For ECU and Tulane it came down to a pretty crap simple choice. Do you want to follow the best of CUSA minus Tulsa and Southern Miss or stay and play a hodge podge of start up FB programs and Sunbelt Members. We could have certainly made the best of CUSA and I think the ECU vs ODU rivalry would grow to be a good one but it was well worth rolling the dice to continue playing UCF, UH, SMU, Memphis and add UC, UCONN, USF and Temple for whatever time period.

(03-10-2013 10:18 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  For ECU and Tulane it came down to a pretty crap simple choice. Do you want to follow the best of CUSA minus Tulsa and Southern Miss or stay and play a hodge podge of start up FB programs and Sunbelt Members. We could have certainly made the best of CUSA and I think the ECU vs ODU rivalry would grow to be a good one but it was well worth rolling the dice to continue playing UCF, UH, SMU, Memphis and add UC, UCONN, USF and Temple for whatever time period.

We'll get Tulsa, so all that leaves is USM -- who went 0-12 last year.

I know im an outsider in this. However i m throwing in my 2 cents anyway. The new schools shouldnt get a DIME of the money in question. They should however have their entrance fees eliminated. Help with exit fees would be nice, but shouldnt be a deal breaker. As a gesture of good will, i would try to schedule most of the conference championships at the new schools sites. Basketball would have to go to the BEST available venue no matter where it is.

At the end I think the agreement will be that entrance fees will be waived and the new schools will get 1-2 million total for the loss of the name UConn,UC and USF will get the rest paid by years losing it if they leave early. All the payments will be yearly, allowing league to collect and gain interest before paying it out.
I think Memphis gets the men's basketball tourney, women's remains in Hartfort.

(03-10-2013 10:22 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 10:18 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  For ECU and Tulane it came down to a pretty crap simple choice. Do you want to follow the best of CUSA minus Tulsa and Southern Miss or stay and play a hodge podge of start up FB programs and Sunbelt Members. We could have certainly made the best of CUSA and I think the ECU vs ODU rivalry would grow to be a good one but it was well worth rolling the dice to continue playing UCF, UH, SMU, Memphis and add UC, UCONN, USF and Temple for whatever time period.

We'll get Tulsa, so all that leaves is USM -- who went 0-12 last year.

I know that Tulsa is all the talk. Huge mistake IMO.

(03-10-2013 10:30 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  At the end I think the agreement will be that entrance fees will be waived and the new schools will get 1-2 million total for the loss of the name UConn,UC and USF will get the rest paid by years losing it if they leave early. All the payments will be yearly, allowing league to collect and gain interest before paying it out.
I think Memphis gets the men's basketball tourney, women's remains in Hartfort.

I think you're spot on and that is reasonable. No one would argue the 3 remaining aren't due the lion's share. The dispute is over what is reasonable. CUSA exit fees were incurred with a higher conference TV payout in mind by the newbies and there should be some consideration for that. Otherwise in principle the holdovers are due the most of the money pool and no one would argue otherwise.

(03-10-2013 10:30 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  At the end I think the agreement will be that entrance fees will be waived and the new schools will get 1-2 million total for the loss of the name UConn,UC and USF will get the rest paid by years losing it if they leave early. All the payments will be yearly, allowing league to collect and gain interest before paying it out.
I think Memphis gets the men's basketball tourney, women's remains in Hartfort.

I think that makes sense and is all anybody can ask for Cube. This conference needs to learn a little word called "compromise". Work it out and move forward.

I don't believe Tulsa is the slam dunk many think they are. The league will look at who strengthen it in the future and its obvious that its not just about being successful on the field right now.
Ill say that ODU is one to keep an eye on. They might not be the sexy pick right now but look at what they offer and won't be surprised if they jump in picture for a 2015 addition.

(03-10-2013 10:34 AM)ultraviolet Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 10:30 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  At the end I think the agreement will be that entrance fees will be waived and the new schools will get 1-2 million total for the loss of the name UConn,UC and USF will get the rest paid by years losing it if they leave early. All the payments will be yearly, allowing league to collect and gain interest before paying it out.
I think Memphis gets the men's basketball tourney, women's remains in Hartfort.

I think you're spot on and that is reasonable. No one would argue the 3 remaining aren't due the lion's share. The dispute is over what is reasonable. CUSA exit fees were incurred with a higher conference TV payout in mind by the newbies and there should be some consideration for that. Otherwise in principle the holdovers are due the most of the money pool and no one would argue otherwise.

+1 Nobody is arguing that UC, UCONN and USF are not entitled to a majority of the money in the old Big East war chest with exit fees, NCAA Tournament units etc.. The only thing the new schools would like to see is reduced or eliminated entrace fees and the money from the sale of the Big East name to the C7 to be paid out over years instead of lump sum so if the 3 bolt it does not look like a fire sale on the way out the door. If they leave behind some of that name rights money and exit fees then we are cool.