(03-09-2013 07:42 PM)troy4ever Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:39 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:31 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:08 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:59 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  There weren't going to announce any decisions until April. But it sounds like agreements weren't honored because UL, ASU and ULM held firm on no Sam Houston or any other SLC program right now. My suspicion is no concensus could be reached on NMSU after the votes for App State and Georgia Southern. Tempers probably flared once that happened.

You would be correct. The whole NMSU thing is the hold up. Some tempers flared when it was time to vote on them. Seems the East schools want to go East and the West schools want to go West. East schools don't want NMSU. ASU, ULM, and ULL have established a relationship with NMSU and would gladly allow them back in.

It's clear those in the east have their own agenda. Supposedly a agreement was in place for UL, ASU and ULM to vote for App. State and Georgia Southern, for the agreement to keep out SLC programs right now. Once someone pushed Sam Houston, that agreement was broke.

Who pushed for SHSU? Is Georgia State in the room participating? Texas State?

Why in the world would any school be pushing for SHSU?!? Just because they've been to the last two FCS championships? If so, that's some pretty stupid logic.

UTA may get a vote. UALR definately does.

I dont know what or who would be so offensive unless it was Liberty (many reasons) or JMU (distance). Two in the east and one in the west sounds reasonable. What's the hold up? The eastern schools have to travel to New Mexico once a year or so? At most. How frigging hard is that?

We have to add someone, most likely three. I don't get the consternation.

(03-09-2013 07:39 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Who pushed for SHSU? Is Georgia State in the room participating? Texas State?

I don't think we have a say in the matter yet (and I don't know if that's the way it should be or not, but that's a whole other discussion), but I would bet my bottom dollar that our school representatives didn't say a word other than "whatever you guys decide is cool with me."

But Liberty? That's Falwell's university, right? Personally speaking, I'd be ashamed to be in the same league as them.

(03-09-2013 08:17 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  SHSU would destroy NMSU on the field. But, true that they are not FBS and NMSU is FBS.

Who cares what they would do agianst Sam Houston. This is the larger picture, we don't share the same vision as programs in the East. If you want to keep the confence together then you will realize that you can't have everything your way. We have added one football program in the West, and with the supposed addition of App State and Georgia Southern now 3 in the East. Until you agree to add another to the West, you are not going to get the votes to add anymore to the East after this vote. UL, ASU and ULM have a relationship with NMSU and they are not going to vote for any SLC programs.

(03-09-2013 08:24 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:42 PM)troy4ever Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:39 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:31 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:08 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  You would be correct. The whole NMSU thing is the hold up. Some tempers flared when it was time to vote on them. Seems the East schools want to go East and the West schools want to go West. East schools don't want NMSU. ASU, ULM, and ULL have established a relationship with NMSU and would gladly allow them back in.

It's clear those in the east have their own agenda. Supposedly a agreement was in place for UL, ASU and ULM to vote for App. State and Georgia Southern, for the agreement to keep out SLC programs right now. Once someone pushed Sam Houston, that agreement was broke.

Who pushed for SHSU? Is Georgia State in the room participating? Texas State?

Why in the world would any school be pushing for SHSU?!? Just because they've been to the last two FCS championships? If so, that's some pretty stupid logic.

UTA may get a vote. UALR definately does.

I dont know what or who would be so offensive unless it was Liberty (many reasons) or JMU (distance). Two in the east and one in the west sounds reasonable. What's the hold up? The eastern schools have to travel to New Mexico once a year or so? At most. How frigging hard is that?

We have to add someone, most likely three. I don't get the consternation.

Although many times forgotten, there are 19 sports in the Sun Belt.

(03-09-2013 08:24 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:42 PM)troy4ever Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:39 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:31 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:08 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  You would be correct. The whole NMSU thing is the hold up. Some tempers flared when it was time to vote on them. Seems the East schools want to go East and the West schools want to go West. East schools don't want NMSU. ASU, ULM, and ULL have established a relationship with NMSU and would gladly allow them back in.

It's clear those in the east have their own agenda. Supposedly a agreement was in place for UL, ASU and ULM to vote for App. State and Georgia Southern, for the agreement to keep out SLC programs right now. Once someone pushed Sam Houston, that agreement was broke.

Who pushed for SHSU? Is Georgia State in the room participating? Texas State?

Why in the world would any school be pushing for SHSU?!? Just because they've been to the last two FCS championships? If so, that's some pretty stupid logic.

UTA may get a vote. UALR definately does.

I dont know what or who would be so offensive unless it was Liberty (many reasons) or JMU (distance). Two in the east and one in the west sounds reasonable. What's the hold up? The eastern schools have to travel to New Mexico once a year or so? At most. How frigging hard is that?

We have to add someone, most likely three. I don't get the consternation.

Agree!

(03-09-2013 08:25 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 08:24 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:42 PM)troy4ever Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:39 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:31 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  It's clear those in the east have their own agenda. Supposedly a agreement was in place for UL, ASU and ULM to vote for App. State and Georgia Southern, for the agreement to keep out SLC programs right now. Once someone pushed Sam Houston, that agreement was broke.

Who pushed for SHSU? Is Georgia State in the room participating? Texas State?

Why in the world would any school be pushing for SHSU?!? Just because they've been to the last two FCS championships? If so, that's some pretty stupid logic.

UTA may get a vote. UALR definately does.

I dont know what or who would be so offensive unless it was Liberty (many reasons) or JMU (distance). Two in the east and one in the west sounds reasonable. What's the hold up? The eastern schools have to travel to New Mexico once a year or so? At most. How frigging hard is that?

We have to add someone, most likely three. I don't get the consternation.

Although many times forgotten, there are 19 sports in the Sun Belt.

There sure are 19 sports in the Sun Belt, all of which travel all over the place to play games, meets, whatever. Conference and non-conference included. One trip every other year (at most) for the eastern schools to El Paso, and thats basically where NMSU is, wont bust the athletic budgets. No, its not ideal. If you want ideal, go be in a conference by yourself. I understand if its Liberty. NMSU I just dont see why they're so awful.

(03-09-2013 08:36 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 08:25 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 08:24 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:42 PM)troy4ever Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:39 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Who pushed for SHSU? Is Georgia State in the room participating? Texas State?

Why in the world would any school be pushing for SHSU?!? Just because they've been to the last two FCS championships? If so, that's some pretty stupid logic.

UTA may get a vote. UALR definately does.

I dont know what or who would be so offensive unless it was Liberty (many reasons) or JMU (distance). Two in the east and one in the west sounds reasonable. What's the hold up? The eastern schools have to travel to New Mexico once a year or so? At most. How frigging hard is that?

We have to add someone, most likely three. I don't get the consternation.

Although many times forgotten, there are 19 sports in the Sun Belt.

There sure are 19 sports in the Sun Belt, all of which travel all over the place to play games, meets, whatever. Conference and non-conference included. One trip every other year (at most) for the eastern schools to El Paso, and thats basically where NMSU is, wont bust the athletic budgets. No, its not ideal. If you want ideal, go be in a conference by yourself. I understand if its Liberty. NMSU I just dont see why they're so awful.

I agree. Not a budget buster. Just was pointing out that it's more than one trip every year or two. Heck, going to NMSU is no different than Texas schools having to go to South Florida every year.

(03-09-2013 08:25 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 08:17 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  SHSU would destroy NMSU on the field. But, true that they are not FBS and NMSU is FBS.

Who cares what they would do agianst Sam Houston. This is the larger picture, we don't share the same vision as programs in the East. If you want to keep the confence together then you will realize that you can't have everything your way. We have added one football program in the West, and with the supposed addition of App State and Georgia Southern now 3 in the East. Until you agree to add another to the West, you are not going to get the votes to add anymore to the East after this vote. UL, ASU and ULM have a relationship with NMSU and they are not going to vote for any SLC programs.

I hear you in that there is much more involved than on the surface and can certainly understand the difficult position for UL and Ark St. Under the old system, I would say NMSU is a fair east/west compromise. However, with conference payouts now based on performance, there is a good chance NMSU will at some point cause the conference to drop a spot in the payout order and that is what the President's are surely struggling with. "Am I wiling to invite a member that has no hope in improving in football and at some point will cost my school $500k in payouts while at the same time running up the travel expenses?"

That is a tough pill to swallow and a tough question to have to answer when it happens. With the new payout by performance, everything is quantifiable and NMSU's football impact will be measurable in $.

The real thing we have seen out of the meetings today is that ASU and ULL are both clearly working together. Both os us are smart enough to know that UALR and ULM will follow whatever we do, which gives us a block of 4 votes. At the same time, USA, Troy, and Georgia State are all clearly working for their end as well. If the two sides cant get along, very little will happen, and we'll sit still and get raided again. The problem for Troy especially right now is that both ASU and ULL are clearly above them in the pecking order, and would survive a conference blowup. The same cannot be said for Troy at this point unfortunately.

If the two sides dont get along, The Trojans and ULM stand the most to lose.

I heard the presidents voted us in earlier today as well. Hopefully this is true and not just more rumors circulating.

Yes, our BBall has some work to do, but we bring solid football and baseball.

Southern is a growing school. It would be a wise investment for the SBC. You would not regret this invitation. Can't wait to get confirmation!!!!!!

HAIL SOUTHERN!! HAIL SUN BELT!!

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(03-09-2013 09:14 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The real thing we have seen out of the meetings today is that ASU and ULL are both clearly working together. Both os us are smart enough to know that UALR and ULM will follow whatever we do, which gives us a block of 4 votes. At the same time, USA, Troy, and Georgia State are all clearly working for their end as well. If the two sides cant get along, very little will happen, and we'll sit still and get raided again. The problem for Troy especially right now is that both ASU and ULL are clearly above them in the pecking order, and would survive a conference blowup. The same cannot be said for Troy at this point unfortunately.

If the two sides dont get along, The Trojans and ULM stand the most to lose.

But it could be argued that Tx St and Ga State are ahead in the CUSA pecking order, therefore UL and Ark St should do what is best for the conference long term. The same can be said with Ga State and TX state as they could be in the SB for a while. Who knows if and when CUSA will add and who is next? That being the case, make your current home the best you possibly can.

If the conference blows up as you suggest, it doesn't mean another conference is going to throw out lifeboats and rescue schools. They could add them now IF they wanted to.

(03-09-2013 09:18 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:14 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The real thing we have seen out of the meetings today is that ASU and ULL are both clearly working together. Both os us are smart enough to know that UALR and ULM will follow whatever we do, which gives us a block of 4 votes. At the same time, USA, Troy, and Georgia State are all clearly working for their end as well. If the two sides cant get along, very little will happen, and we'll sit still and get raided again. The problem for Troy especially right now is that both ASU and ULL are clearly above them in the pecking order, and would survive a conference blowup. The same cannot be said for Troy at this point unfortunately.

If the two sides dont get along, The Trojans and ULM stand the most to lose.

But it could be argued that Tx St and Ga State are ahead in the CUSA pecking order, therefore UL and Ark St should do what is best for the conference long term. The same can be said with Ga State and TX state as they could be in the SB for a while. Who knows if and when CUSA will add and who is next? That being the case, make your current home the best you possibly can.

If the conference blow up as you suggest, it doesn't mean another conference is going to throw out lifeboats and rescue schools. They could add them now IF they wanted to.

The only way to blow up the Sun Belt would involve a coordinated effort from the MWC, CUSA, and the whatever they call themselves conference. ASU and ULL should have an edge on Georgia State with 4 possibly 5 belt teams in CUSA, and even if something crazy happened there, the other leagues would still have to come in and pick the rest of us off to kill the league. We'd end up somewhere. The same cannot be said for Troy and ULM.

If the league wants NMSU, then each President must make a conscious decision to say I am willing to donate $500k from my school to another league school for the sake of having them in my conference. They are that bad in football and it will at some point result in the conference dropping a spot in the payouts. I would ask each President that supports NMSU if they are willing to donate $500k to a team in another conference. It is a bit bigger issue than an east/west compromise. It is money out of every member's pocket. Too big of a risk in the new system.

(03-09-2013 09:36 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  If the league wants NMSU, then each President must make a conscious decision to say I am willing to donate $500k from my school to another league school for the sake of having them in my conference. They are that bad in football and it will at some point result in the conference dropping a spot in the payouts. I would ask and President that supports NMSU if they are willing to donate $500k to a team in another conference.

You struggle to understand that the money NMSU cost the conference in football would be regain by their basketball credits.

(03-09-2013 09:07 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 08:25 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 08:17 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  SHSU would destroy NMSU on the field. But, true that they are not FBS and NMSU is FBS.

Who cares what they would do agianst Sam Houston. This is the larger picture, we don't share the same vision as programs in the East. If you want to keep the confence together then you will realize that you can't have everything your way. We have added one football program in the West, and with the supposed addition of App State and Georgia Southern now 3 in the East. Until you agree to add another to the West, you are not going to get the votes to add anymore to the East after this vote. UL, ASU and ULM have a relationship with NMSU and they are not going to vote for any SLC programs.

I hear you in that there is much more involved than on the surface and can certainly understand the difficult position for UL and Ark St. Under the old system, I would say NMSU is a fair east/west compromise. However, with conference payouts now based on performance, there is a good chance NMSU will at some point cause the conference to drop a spot in the payout order and that is what the President's are surely struggling with. "Am I wiling to invite a member that has no hope in improving in football and at some point will cost my school $500k in payouts while at the same time running up the travel expenses?"

That is a tough pill to swallow and a tough question to have to answer when it happens. With the new payout by performance, everything is quantifiable and NMSU's football impact will be measurable in $.

If that truely is a concern, then why consider a program with a $10 mil athletic budget?

(03-09-2013 09:36 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  If the league wants NMSU, then each President must make a conscious decision to say I am willing to donate $500k from my school to another league school for the sake of having them in my conference. They are that bad in football and it will at some point result in the conference dropping a spot in the payouts. I would ask each President that supports NMSU if they are willing to donate $500k to a team in another conference. It is a bit bigger issue than an east/west compromise. It is money out of every member's pocket. Too big of a risk in the new system.

Wow, no official invite as yet but you are already dictating what the Presidents should do? If you believe ULM, ULL or stAte didn't do enough to get the conference ranked, do you kick them out? With that kind of thinking, I can understand why the West schools would want numerical parity with the East schools.

(03-09-2013 09:36 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  If the league wants NMSU, then each President must make a conscious decision to say I am willing to donate $500k from my school to another league school for the sake of having them in my conference. They are that bad in football and it will at some point result in the conference dropping a spot in the payouts. I would ask each President that supports NMSU if they are willing to donate $500k to a team in another conference. It is a bit bigger issue than an east/west compromise. It is money out of every member's pocket. Too big of a risk in the new system.

As a football school, I wouldnt expect you guys to understand the importance that basketball is to this league. A long time ago we had a decent league that was considered one of the better mid major leagues in the country. We got multiple teams in the NCAA's and won games. Now, we are in serious danger of falling off the map in baksetball. Our best team is heading for CUSA this year, our most tradition rich program is likely following next year. Yeah, we could add Sam Houston or James Madison...but we might all give up any shot of making any money off basketball if we do so.

NMSU may suck in football, but they are a strong basketball program who will bring NCAA units, and the money that comes with it, over to the league with them.

(03-09-2013 09:39 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:36 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  If the league wants NMSU, then each President must make a conscious decision to say I am willing to donate $500k from my school to another league school for the sake of having them in my conference. They are that bad in football and it will at some point result in the conference dropping a spot in the payouts. I would ask and President that supports NMSU if they are willing to donate $500k to a team in another conference.

You struggle to understand that the money NMSU cost the conference in football would be regain by their basketball credits.

To get more credits, wouldn't the Sun Belt need two members to make the tournament? Or are you saying NMSU would make a run in the tournament and earn the conference more credits?

(03-09-2013 09:48 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:36 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  If the league wants NMSU, then each President must make a conscious decision to say I am willing to donate $500k from my school to another league school for the sake of having them in my conference. They are that bad in football and it will at some point result in the conference dropping a spot in the payouts. I would ask each President that supports NMSU if they are willing to donate $500k to a team in another conference. It is a bit bigger issue than an east/west compromise. It is money out of every member's pocket. Too big of a risk in the new system.

Wow, no official invite as yet but you are already dictating what the Presidents should do? If you believe ULM, ULL or stAte didn't do enough to get the conference ranked, do you kick them out? With that kind of thinking, I can understand why the West schools would want numerical parity with the East schools.

I am not one of the Presidents. I promise. Just a person on a message board. Just pointing out that these are issues that all CURRENT school Presidents are debating.

(03-09-2013 09:49 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:39 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:36 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  If the league wants NMSU, then each President must make a conscious decision to say I am willing to donate $500k from my school to another league school for the sake of having them in my conference. They are that bad in football and it will at some point result in the conference dropping a spot in the payouts. I would ask and President that supports NMSU if they are willing to donate $500k to a team in another conference.

You struggle to understand that the money NMSU cost the conference in football would be regain by their basketball credits.

To get more credits, wouldn't the Sun Belt need two members to make the tournament? Or are you saying NMSU would make a run in the tournament and earn the conference more credits?

NCAA Credits are over six years...not just one year. NMSU stands a good chance of becoming an at large team, or winning a tourney game, and we would get those units.