(02-21-2013 04:37 PM)MU88 Wrote:  Not from what I hear.

I was literally told those 3 + SLU and UD just Sunday night, through someone that isn't in a position where guessing would be needed.

I could very well see some sort of development happening that lead to them just taking 3 of the 5 now, given the two wouldn't go anywhere. That would allow time for resolution of whatever conflicts (mostly Marquette) still might have

(02-21-2013 04:41 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 04:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 04:28 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 04:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think if we start at 10 we go to 12 any time soon. For one, the TV deal would be locked in- it'd be stupid for us to expand 2 years later.

Unless it's part of the deal. I could see a scenario where Fox says you can have one year at 10, but then you have to get your **** together and bring it up to 12.

That I could see. But, unless we were starting this year(to help with the exit fees etc), why would we even WANT a year of 10?

1) It's still more money per school and
2) Because there's still disagreement on 11 and 12 and/or
3) Just to see what happens with the ACC

Maybe not probable, but possible. I can think of plenty more reasons why a "wait and see" approach isn't so bad if the 10 year media deal is already in hand.

1 is not a guarantee at all. I could see Fox paying more per team to get the volume they desire.

3 I don't see at all. Don't think the ACC has much to do with us at all quite frankly.

(02-21-2013 04:43 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 04:41 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 04:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 04:28 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 04:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think if we start at 10 we go to 12 any time soon. For one, the TV deal would be locked in- it'd be stupid for us to expand 2 years later.

Unless it's part of the deal. I could see a scenario where Fox says you can have one year at 10, but then you have to get your **** together and bring it up to 12.

That I could see. But, unless we were starting this year(to help with the exit fees etc), why would we even WANT a year of 10?

1) It's still more money per school and
2) Because there's still disagreement on 11 and 12 and/or
3) Just to see what happens with the ACC

Maybe not probable, but possible. I can think of plenty more reasons why a "wait and see" approach isn't so bad if the 10 year media deal is already in hand.

1 is not a guarantee at all. I could see Fox paying more per team to get the volume they desire.

3 I don't see at all. Don't think the ACC has much to do with us at all quite frankly.

I agree ACC has nothing to do with this. As long as their is High D1 football to be played, we will not be involved with those teams.

I know Blaudschun is close to Aresco. And he's connected, but I'm not sure how plugged in to the C-7 he is at this point.

Still hoping for VCU over Richmond, but....

(02-21-2013 04:11 PM)bostonspider Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 04:09 PM)BigmanU Wrote:  Exactly. Looks like Richmond will be the 10th member if this is true.

Interesting that was exactly what Katz reported a couple of weeks ago..

Seems similar to what Katz reported yes, but remember, the next day, he kind of backtracked and said that Creighton was being heavily considered as #10 and that Richmond might be #11 or #12....

Yes it sounds like the battle between Marquette and Georgetown is still on-going between who the 10th member would be. I still think they should just go all the way to 12 with SLU and both UR and CU.

(02-21-2013 05:38 PM)bostonspider Wrote:  Yes it sounds like the battle between Marquette and Georgetown is still on-going between who the 10th member would be. I still think they should just go all the way to 12 with SLU and both UR and CU.

Conferences are expanding and expanding....soon the Big Ten will have like 20 teams and other power conferences will have 16-18 teams. Minus well get to 14 and add Dayton and Gonzaga as well and be done with it.

(02-21-2013 05:44 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 05:38 PM)bostonspider Wrote:  Yes it sounds like the battle between Marquette and Georgetown is still on-going between who the 10th member would be. I still think they should just go all the way to 12 with SLU and both UR and CU.

Conferences are expanding and expanding....soon the Big Ten will have like 20 teams and other power conferences will have 16-18 teams. Minus well get to 14 and add Dayton and Gonzaga as well and be done with it.

This is why no one wants a number in their conference name.

(02-21-2013 04:43 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 04:41 PM)thegalen Wrote:  1) It's still more money per school and
2) Because there's still disagreement on 11 and 12 and/or
3) Just to see what happens with the ACC

Maybe not probable, but possible. I can think of plenty more reasons why a "wait and see" approach isn't so bad if the 10 year media deal is already in hand.

1 is not a guarantee at all. I could see Fox paying more per team to get the volume they desire.

3 I don't see at all. Don't think the ACC has much to do with us at all quite frankly.

Right, it's not a guarantee. Unless it's something everyone's okay with, which is possible. If the C7 really does need the time to hash out #11 and #12, inking the deal for 10 at one year with 12 at nine years doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

As for #3, it has nothing to do with picking up an ACC school and everything to do with seeing what the map looks like. Does the ACC lose dominance in VA? Do they respond by trying to push further into the Rust Belt or Northeast? Ostensibly, Fox may know where the B1G is heading, but neither has a definite idea of how the ACC might react. Maybe this isn't likely, but I think it's a possible consideration.

they need to go to 12. to me this article suggests that #12 would be down to st louis or dayton and that vcu appears to be out of the running (since its unlikely theyd take 2 from the same city) if that is the case than stl has the edge

(02-21-2013 10:52 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  they need to go to 12. to me this article suggests that #12 would be down to st louis or dayton and that vcu appears to be out of the running (since its unlikely theyd take 2 from the same city) if that is the case than stl has the edge

I wouldn't sleep on adding two sets of two teams in the same metro area. Doubling and tripling down on (relatively uncontested) top 10 markets and their edges isn't any dumber than wedging yourself between the Big 12, SEC and the B1G. You'd have, more or less, a regional pair in Marquette and DePaul, then X and Dayton with Butler nearby, and VCU and Richmond with Georgetown nearby, and SJU/Villanova and Seton Hall with Providence not too far away. I would take the recruiting pipelines and television viewers from that combo all day long.

(02-21-2013 11:25 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:52 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  they need to go to 12. to me this article suggests that #12 would be down to st louis or dayton and that vcu appears to be out of the running (since its unlikely theyd take 2 from the same city) if that is the case than stl has the edge

I wouldn't sleep on adding two sets of two teams in the same metro area. Doubling and tripling down on (relatively uncontested) top 10 markets and their edges isn't any dumber than wedging yourself between the Big 12, SEC and the B1G. You'd have, more or less, a regional pair in Marquette and DePaul, then X and Dayton with Butler nearby, and VCU and Richmond with Georgetown nearby, and SJU/Villanova and Seton Hall with Providence not too far away. I would take the recruiting pipelines and television viewers from that combo all day long.

Creighton averages 17,000 attendance at hone. That's higher than anyone currently in the C7 or any other prospective member. Second best is Marquette with 15,000. I don't see how the league can pass on a team with that kind of following.

In addition, I'm sure that Creighton has a following beyond Omaha. Like any private school - Catholic or otherwise - they are drawing their enrollment regionally, not locally. And their graduates are going on to jobs outside the immediate Omaha area - probably to Chicago and the other big cities of the Midwest.

Compare that to Richmond, a smaller school than Creighton (although both are small schools) which draws only 6,000 fans. It seems like a no brainer to me.

I think location is a bigger deal than some people are saying. It is not just that UR is less than a 100 miles from Georgetown, it is that 4 of the C7 can bus all of their sports teams to Richmond. That closeness to NYC, Philly and DC makes UR an easy add. Creighton is just too far from the east coast for the eastern 5.

(02-22-2013 08:05 AM)bostonspider Wrote:  I think location is a bigger deal than some people are saying. It is not just that UR is less than a 100 miles from Georgetown, it is that 4 of the C7 can bus all of their sports teams to Richmond. That closeness to NYC, Philly and DC makes UR an easy add. Creighton is just too far from the east coast for the eastern 5.

Seems like the eastern schools, which comprise 5 of the C7, want one more eastern school and their preference is Richmond. With 6 eastern and 6 western schools, schedule makers could easily schedule to avoid long midweek roadtrips for anyone unless dictated by TV.

(02-22-2013 08:05 AM)bostonspider Wrote:  I think location is a bigger deal than some people are saying. It is not just that UR is less than a 100 miles from Georgetown, it is that 4 of the C7 can bus all of their sports teams to Richmond. That closeness to NYC, Philly and DC makes UR an easy add. Creighton is just too far from the east coast for the eastern 5.

Then why not VCU?

(02-22-2013 08:33 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 08:05 AM)bostonspider Wrote:  I think location is a bigger deal than some people are saying. It is not just that UR is less than a 100 miles from Georgetown, it is that 4 of the C7 can bus all of their sports teams to Richmond. That closeness to NYC, Philly and DC makes UR an easy add. Creighton is just too far from the east coast for the eastern 5.

Then why not VCU?

Because of an overwhelming bias against teams nicknamed the Rams.

Why do you think VCU wasn't considered?

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But anyway, I think it's probably likely both sides will eventually get there wish, even if it is over a number of years. Ultimately, Dayton looks like the big loser if marquette really requires creighton

Still hope they go 12 with 4 Midwestern, Xavier, Butler, St Louis and Creighton and one eastern either vcu or Richmond

(02-22-2013 08:33 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Then why not VCU?

I will quote district baller from the VCU board.

"UR has some influential members of the C7 lobbying for them heavily. They value their academic pedigree and shared profile which is something we can not compete with quite honestly. It is considered a better academic school in academia, and that's not a point of contention."

(02-22-2013 08:49 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  Still hope they go 12 with 4 Midwestern, Xavier, Butler, St Louis and Creighton and one eastern either vcu or Richmond

Im down for 14. Better chance of landing Gonzaga plus the other 6 we want.

(02-21-2013 05:38 PM)bostonspider Wrote:  Yes it sounds like the battle between Marquette and Georgetown is still on-going between who the 10th member would be. I still think they should just go all the way to 12 with SLU and both UR and CU.

No battle. This is old news. The 10 who would start in 2013 know who they are. Don't know why they wouldn't start with 12 in 2013, but I not sure it matters. That said, 2013 is an extreme long shot (although maybe not so much after that crappy BE contract for 2013-14). Its the added two, if the league starts in 2014 that are up in the air. Everything in the article jives with what I heard a month ago.