(02-21-2013 12:32 PM)panite Wrote:  Nothing will happen until after March Madness so there are more NCAA Tournament credits to fight over and negotiate making the the exit fees to leave early much higher.

This. If either 'Cuse, Pitt or both went to the Final Four you're looking at an additional $9.5-$19 million in total future credits.

(02-21-2013 01:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  actually, they don't just work for the conference.

looked- these are the guys that reffed last nights Providence/Syracuse game...
http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/bryan-kersey/schedule
http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/karl-hess/schedule
http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/tim-cl...y/schedule

as you can see- ALL work more than just Big East.

My bad, i guess it's just FB that does that.

(02-21-2013 01:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 01:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  actually, they don't just work for the conference.

looked- these are the guys that reffed last nights Providence/Syracuse game...
http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/bryan-kersey/schedule
http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/karl-hess/schedule
http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/tim-cl...y/schedule

as you can see- ALL work more than just Big East.

My bad, i guess it's just FB that does that.

yeah, just fb. heck, one could make the arguement that FB should go to the BB model quite frankly.

btw- 2 points-
1- isn't that site amazing how detailed they go into the game by game for the refs?
2- isn't it crazy how many games these guys call? I mean 75 games called right now? The season started 11/9 so it's been 104 days in the season up to now. So only 28 days off in the 15 weeks the season has taken place.

(02-21-2013 01:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah, just fb. heck, one could make the arguement that FB should go to the BB model quite frankly.

btw- 2 points-
1- isn't that site amazing how detailed they go into the game by game for the refs?
2- isn't it crazy how many games these guys call? I mean 75 games called right now? The season started 11/9 so it's been 104 days in the season up to now. So only 28 days off in the 15 weeks the season has taken place.

Yup. Statsheet is just an incredible, incredible resource. I don't know how/if the owner plans to monetize it, but it's invaluable.

(02-21-2013 01:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 01:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 01:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  actually, they don't just work for the conference.

looked- these are the guys that reffed last nights Providence/Syracuse game...
http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/bryan-kersey/schedule
http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/karl-hess/schedule
http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/tim-cl...y/schedule

as you can see- ALL work more than just Big East.

My bad, i guess it's just FB that does that.

yeah, just fb. heck, one could make the arguement that FB should go to the BB model quite frankly.

btw- 2 points-
1- isn't that site amazing how detailed they go into the game by game for the refs?
2- isn't it crazy how many games these guys call? I mean 75 games called right now? The season started 11/9 so it's been 104 days in the season up to now. So only 28 days off in the 15 weeks the season has taken place.

Heck one guy did the Marquette game then flew to South Bend to do the ND/UofL game because one of those refs got sick. How crazy is that?

yeah that guy was amazing. fortuantely he didn't ref anything the day before.

http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=5238

According to sources familiar with the talks now being held among the Catholic 7, the group will initially focus on a 10 team conference, which would mean invitations to Butler and Xavier of the Atlantic 10. An internal tug of war over the 10th team is being waged with Marquette leading a charge to include Creighton, while Georgetown and the Eastern Catholic schools are focusing on Richmond of the Atlantic 10.

Although Fox sports, which has tendered a tentative offer of 40 million a year for broadcast rights, which would start as early as the 2014 season–the push to begin next season is losing power and no likely–has indicated it would like to see 12 teams, the initial thinking among the Catholic 7 is to go with 10 schools, which would allow for a double round robbin schedule of 18 conference games. Such an arrangement would also allow each school to include high profile–and television friendly–non conference games as well

sounds exactly like we were thinking about the east vs west battle.

(02-21-2013 03:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=5238

According to sources familiar with the talks now being held among the Catholic 7, the group will initially focus on a 10 team conference, which would mean invitations to Butler and Xavier of the Atlantic 10. An internal tug of war over the 10th team is being waged with Marquette leading a charge to include Creighton, while Georgetown and the Eastern Catholic schools are focusing on Richmond of the Atlantic 10.

Although Fox sports, which has tendered a tentative offer of 40 million a year for broadcast rights, which would start as early as the 2014 season–the push to begin next season is losing power and no likely–has indicated it would like to see 12 teams, the initial thinking among the Catholic 7 is to go with 10 schools, which would allow for a double round robbin schedule of 18 conference games. Such an arrangement would also allow each school to include high profile–and television friendly–non conference games as well

sounds exactly like we were thinking about the east vs west battle.

to me, if we go 10 with Butler, Xavier, and Richmond.....
A10 likely gets Creighton and Wichita State out west. Probably picks up a Detroit I would guess to kind of fill the gap there. George Mason quite possible as well. A10 would seem to be way too viable there.

Woo! 10 team league!

Also of note in that article is that Blaudschen is saying that the commissioner might be current WCC commish Jamie Zainovich.

(02-21-2013 03:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=5238

According to sources familiar with the talks now being held among the Catholic 7, the group will initially focus on a 10 team conference, which would mean invitations to Butler and Xavier of the Atlantic 10. An internal tug of war over the 10th team is being waged with Marquette leading a charge to include Creighton, while Georgetown and the Eastern Catholic schools are focusing on Richmond of the Atlantic 10.

Although Fox sports, which has tendered a tentative offer of 40 million a year for broadcast rights, which would start as early as the 2014 season–the push to begin next season is losing power and no likely–has indicated it would like to see 12 teams, the initial thinking among the Catholic 7 is to go with 10 schools, which would allow for a double round robbin schedule of 18 conference games. Such an arrangement would also allow each school to include high profile–and television friendly–non conference games as well

sounds exactly like we were thinking about the east vs west battle.

Exactly. Looks like Richmond will be the 10th member if this is true.

(02-21-2013 04:09 PM)BigmanU Wrote:  Exactly. Looks like Richmond will be the 10th member if this is true.

Interesting that was exactly what Katz reported a couple of weeks ago..

(02-21-2013 03:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=5238

Although Fox sports, which has tendered a tentative offer of 40 million a year for broadcast rights, which would start as early as the 2014 season–the push to begin next season is losing power and no likely–has indicated it would like to see 12 teams, the initial thinking among the Catholic 7 is to go with 10 schools, which would allow for a double round robbin schedule of 18 conference games. Such an arrangement would also allow each school to include high profile–and television friendly–non conference games as well

sounds exactly like we were thinking about the east vs west battle.

Good god that man needs to hire an editor, stat. Seems to be a rehash of older reporting. "Initial thinking" of C7 was to go to 10, but Fox wants 12. Creighton, Richmond in the mix for 10.

Only news, I think, is that ESPN matched. First time I'd seen that. The rest I'd take with a grain of salt. Isn't this guy sorta kinda more keyed in to the Aresco side of things?

And, yes, the idea that centering the Big East in the Midwest wouldn't matter was always a fantasy. It's gonna be 50/50 at least.

it'll be interesting if Richmond does happen if the seeds have been planted for eventual discord between the western faction and the eastern faction.... I always thought that could be a problem....

(02-21-2013 04:07 PM)stever20 Wrote:  to me, if we go 10 with Butler, Xavier, and Richmond.....
A10 likely gets Creighton and Wichita State out west. Probably picks up a Detroit I would guess to kind of fill the gap there. George Mason quite possible as well. A10 would seem to be way too viable there.

None of those teams are going to join any conference while the C7+ is at 10, given the likelihood that it will be moving to 12. (Good guess to that is that Marquette put their put down on Creighton vis-a-vis Dayton and they just said "pause" as compromise)

All of those schools will spend all their energies in their current situations making themselves pretty.

I don't think if we start at 10 we go to 12 any time soon. For one, the TV deal would be locked in- it'd be stupid for us to expand 2 years later.

(02-21-2013 04:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think if we start at 10 we go to 12 any time soon. For one, the TV deal would be locked in- it'd be stupid for us to expand 2 years later.

Unless it's part of the deal. I could see a scenario where Fox says you can have one year at 10, but then you have to get your **** together and bring it up to 12.

(02-21-2013 04:28 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 04:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think if we start at 10 we go to 12 any time soon. For one, the TV deal would be locked in- it'd be stupid for us to expand 2 years later.

Unless it's part of the deal. I could see a scenario where Fox says you can have one year at 10, but then you have to get your **** together and bring it up to 12.

That I could see. But, unless we were starting this year(to help with the exit fees etc), why would we even WANT a year of 10?

(02-21-2013 04:09 PM)BigmanU Wrote:  Exactly. Looks like Richmond will be the 10th member if this is true.

Not from what I hear.

BTW, the info in the article is almost a month old. Decision on the 10 has already been made, if league starts in 2013. Although 2013 is a longshot, it is certainly the goal. 12 if the league starts in 2014. Two spots undecided, at least as of last week.

Aresco's mouth piece has not been very accurate with his predictions as of late. Take all of this with a HUUUUUUUUGE grain of salt.

(02-21-2013 04:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 04:28 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 04:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think if we start at 10 we go to 12 any time soon. For one, the TV deal would be locked in- it'd be stupid for us to expand 2 years later.

Unless it's part of the deal. I could see a scenario where Fox says you can have one year at 10, but then you have to get your **** together and bring it up to 12.

That I could see. But, unless we were starting this year(to help with the exit fees etc), why would we even WANT a year of 10?

1) It's still more money per school
2) It gives other candidates a chance to give a 2 year notice
2) Because there's still disagreement on 11 and 12
3) Just to see what happens with the ACC/realignment in general

Maybe none of these is probable, but I think they're all individually (and in combination) possible. That's just off the top of my head, but I can think of plenty more reasons why a "wait and see" approach isn't so bad if the 10 year media deal is already in hand.