(02-21-2013 10:50 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:36 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  MAC West titles are not MAC titles, unless you're a salesman or a politician.

Well, let's be honest- recruiters are a little bit of both.

I was just about the say that. And I bet that EVERY coaching staff 'fibs & exaggerates' when recruiting. ALL coaching staffs say and do whatever they can to get their man.

(02-21-2013 11:00 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:50 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:36 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  MAC West titles are not MAC titles, unless you're a salesman or a politician.

Well, let's be honest- recruiters are a little bit of both.

I was just about the say that. And I bet that EVERY coaching staff 'fibs & exaggerates' when recruiting. ALL coaching staffs say and do whatever they can to get their man.

Sure seems like the UT recruiters could come up with some MAC numbers that are true and still impressive enough - even if it's just for a certain time frame.

(02-21-2013 11:00 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:50 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:36 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  MAC West titles are not MAC titles, unless you're a salesman or a politician.

Well, let's be honest- recruiters are a little bit of both.

I was just about the say that. And I bet that EVERY coaching staff 'fibs & exaggerates' when recruiting. ALL coaching staffs say and do whatever they can to get their man.

Not Miami, Sir!

(02-21-2013 11:44 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 11:00 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:50 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:36 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  MAC West titles are not MAC titles, unless you're a salesman or a politician.

Well, let's be honest- recruiters are a little bit of both.

I was just about the say that. And I bet that EVERY coaching staff 'fibs & exaggerates' when recruiting. ALL coaching staffs say and do whatever they can to get their man.

Not Miami, Sir!

You're right! I forgot to exclude them. Stupid me.

(02-21-2013 09:23 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 07:07 AM)gZusLuvsU15 Wrote:  My purpose in stating that we were the "the winningest program in the MAC" was to draw light upon our recent successes in the MAC. It was not meant to declare that we have the highest total wins, win percentage, etc. but to declare to the recruit that we feel we are currently the premier program in the MAC.

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'

I hope BG makes a recruiting film indicating that the Falcons have won 14 National Championships, 6 in the past 8 years. Really just to declare that BG has improved recently.

Exactly.

(02-21-2013 07:07 AM)gZusLuvsU15 Wrote:  Hey Guys,

My name is David Sankovich and I'm the Video Coordinator for the Rockets. As a staff member, I prefer not to be involved in forum debates, but after being alerted to the conversation on this board by one of my student workers, I felt the need to respond. The video was made strictly as a recruiting video for recruits. The concept was to encourage them to consider what it would be like to be a Toledo Rocket - to make them a Rocket for a couple of minutes. My purpose in stating that we were the "the winningest program in the MAC" was to draw light upon our recent successes in the MAC. It was not meant to declare that we have the highest total wins, win percentage, etc. but to declare to the recruit that we feel we are currently the premier program in the MAC. I'm sure other teams and their fans would disagree with this perception, but I bet I would disagree with what other teams are telling recruits as well. I'm sure a lively debate could also ensue that we don't have "a tradition unlike any other" in the MAC, but that's what I believe we have at Toledo and what I wanted to communicate to a recruit.

As far as the MAC "titles", this was drawn directly from our school's media guide and business cards. It's fair to debate whether divisional championships and co-championships should be included in this number, but I don't feel like that is important to a recruit. Although it may not be higher than some other teams, we are proud of this number, which is why we display every championship, co-championship, and divisional championship prominently in our stadium, as well as our media guide and business cards. I feel that if there is an issue, it should be made towards those, instead of a recruiting video...

The video was never intended to get as much public recognition as it has. We posted it for recruits on our Vimeo and YouTube page and it soon got picked up by various other sites. Because of the amount of attention it has generated though, I have changed the "winningest" phrase to "one of the winningest" and have updated it on Vimeo - which is the version we use internally. To be honest, I don't think that this changes anything at ALL about the message of the video and how recruits perceive it, but I understand how others may have been upset by it.

Thank you for the kind words and support.

Go Rockets!

P.S. YouTube does not allow me to "update" videos, but I posted a new video and put a link in the original video's description.

:johnkerry:

Sort of reminds me of a kids song -

If you're lying and you know it clap your hands

(02-21-2013 07:07 AM)gZusLuvsU15 Wrote:  :clap2:

If you're lying and you know it clap your hands

(02-21-2013 07:07 AM)gZusLuvsU15 Wrote:  :clap2:

No mas pantelones

:johnkerry:

(02-21-2013 07:07 AM)gZusLuvsU15 Wrote:  My purpose in stating that we were the "the winningest program in the MAC" was .....not meant to declare that we have the highest total wins, win percentage, etc.

Wut?

(02-21-2013 12:31 PM)sarasotahuskie Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 07:07 AM)gZusLuvsU15 Wrote:  My purpose in stating that we were the "the winningest program in the MAC" was .....not meant to declare that we have the highest total wins, win percentage, etc.

Wut?

Well, when YOU take TWO sentences, then delete parts of them, it is likely to make no sense. You pretty much took out the part where he was explaining what he was saying "...was to draw light upon our recent successes in the MAC..." Here's the full quote that you butchered...

(02-21-2013 07:07 AM)gZusLuvsU15 Wrote:  My purpose in stating that we were the "the winningest program in the MAC" was to draw light upon our recent successes in the MAC. It was not meant to declare that we have the highest total wins, win percentage, etc. but to declare to the recruit that we feel we are currently the premier program in the MAC.

Speaking of politicians...

His remarks on the Senate floor were "not intended to be a factual statement." ~ Senator Jon Kyl, AZ [R] 4/9/11

(02-21-2013 12:46 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 12:31 PM)sarasotahuskie Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 07:07 AM)gZusLuvsU15 Wrote:  My purpose in stating that we were the "the winningest program in the MAC" was .....not meant to declare that we have the highest total wins, win percentage, etc.

Wut?

Well, when YOU take TWO sentences, then delete parts of them, it is likely to make no sense. You pretty much took out the part where he was explaining what he was saying "...was to draw light upon our recent successes in the MAC..." Here's the full quote that you butchered...

(02-21-2013 07:07 AM)gZusLuvsU15 Wrote:  My purpose in stating that we were the "the winningest program in the MAC" was to draw light upon our recent successes in the MAC. It was not meant to declare that we have the highest total wins, win percentage, etc. but to declare to the recruit that we feel we are currently the premier program in the MAC.

Can't wait to see Akron's "winningest program in the MAC" slogan.

But of course, only to declare to recruits that they currently feel they are the premier program in the MAC.

(02-21-2013 09:46 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 09:26 AM)JSF Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 11:23 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Toledo is most overrated MAC program.

Come on. It's Ohio.

If I was an Ohio fan I'd just shut up about now and enjoy a Miami fan jousting with a different windmill.

Yeah, well, I'm not a fan of Ohio football.

Of course, now other schools can use it and say "Here's how much you can trust what the Toledo recruiters say. Be careful what they promise you."

If you come and play for us at Toledo, all your wildest dreams will come true!

(02-21-2013 02:32 PM)axeme Wrote:  Of course, now other schools can use it and say "Here's how much you can trust what the Toledo recruiters say. Be careful what they promise you."

Yea, because all other schools are always 100% truthful when recruiting. And what exactly did UT lie about? Having 16 titles? Nope, that's the truth. Being one of the winningest programs in the MAC? Nope, that is true.

Didn't the original video say they WERE the winningest program in the MAC? That was not true, so...

(02-21-2013 03:05 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 02:32 PM)axeme Wrote:  Of course, now other schools can use it and say "Here's how much you can trust what the Toledo recruiters say. Be careful what they promise you."

Yea, because all other schools are always 100% truthful when recruiting. And what exactly did UT lie about? Having 16 MAC titles? Nope, that's NOT the truth. Being (one of) the winningest programs in the MAC? Nope, that is NOT true.

ftfy

(02-21-2013 03:05 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 02:32 PM)axeme Wrote:  Of course, now other schools can use it and say "Here's how much you can trust what the Toledo recruiters say. Be careful what they promise you."

Yea, because all other schools are always 100% truthful when recruiting. And what exactly did UT lie about? Having 16 titles? Nope, that's the truth. Being one of the winningest programs in the MAC? Nope, that is true.

So when UT catches other schools in lies made public (like the ones before the retractions that UT has been forced to make) you can use them.

It's too easy to use the Lance Armstrong/SEC defense: "I just did it because everyone else did."

If all other schools lie, it should be easy to point it out. Be our guest. Actually, I imagine some schools really are honest with recruits.

At any rate, the rest of the MAC is getting some good chuckles out of this one!

(02-21-2013 04:27 PM)axeme Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 03:05 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 02:32 PM)axeme Wrote:  Of course, now other schools can use it and say "Here's how much you can trust what the Toledo recruiters say. Be careful what they promise you."

Yea, because all other schools are always 100% truthful when recruiting. And what exactly did UT lie about? Having 16 titles? Nope, that's the truth. Being one of the winningest programs in the MAC? Nope, that is true.

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So when UT catches other schools in lies made public (like the ones before the retractions that UT has been forced to make) you can use them.

It's too easy to use the Lance Armstrong/SEC defense: "I just did it because everyone else did."

If all other schools lie, it should be easy to point it out. Be our guest. Actually, I imagine some schools really are honest with recruits.

At any rate, the rest of the MAC is getting some good chuckles out of this one!

You know what, you're right, Toledo is the ONLY school in the MAC that has ever 'lied' or exaggerated when recruiting. You better call the NCAA and let them know.

Haters gonna hate.

And FYI, WHEN other schools lie it is not easy to point out because fans only hear or see like 1% of what goes on during recruiting.

No, I think Toledo is just the first one to stupidly put it on tape

Nobody said NO ONE else did it, just that the assumption that EVERYONE does it is a weak justification with no evidence to support it. If you think "fans only hear or see like 1% of what goes on during recruiting" why would you presume to know what does go on at other schools?