(02-19-2013 05:07 PM)GrandmasterTiger Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 05:06 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 04:02 PM)GrandmasterTiger Wrote:  Cincinnati is next in line with UConn but don't sleep on Memphis, who is nipping at their heels...

Memphis isn't going anywhere.

Yeah, and Louisville isn't getting into the ACC either.

Who said that? After Maryland left it was pretty obvious the ACC would add either UConn or Louisville.

When Louisville was in cusa the idea of getting into the big east was outlandish, and when they were in the big east, the acc was farfetched. In fact, common thought was that Uconn was ahead of Louisville.

Fast-forward and we can see that time and circumstances can change outcome. Therefore, if anyone should understand this, it should be a Louisville fan.

So, to say "Memphis isn't going anywhere" is not only not based on any facts, it defies the very logic that led your university to where it is now. A member of a dying ACC that will likely be adding teams when current teams leave.

If you don't believe Memphis is near the top of that list, you aren't paying attention.

(02-19-2013 05:53 PM)GrandmasterTiger Wrote:  When Louisville was in cusa the idea of getting into the big east was outlandish, and when they were in the big east, the acc was farfetched. In fact, common thought was that Uconn was ahead of Louisville.

Fast-forward and we can see that time and circumstances can change outcome. Therefore, if anyone should understand this, it should be a Louisville fan.

So, to say "Memphis isn't going anywhere" is not only not based on any facts, it defies the very logic that led your university to where it is now. A member of a dying ACC that will likely be adding teams when current teams leave.

If you don't believe Memphis is near the top of that list, you aren't paying attention.

Key difference. Louisville has invested in their program, won games, upgraded facilities, academics etc. Memphis has invested in basketball and is just now starting to invest in football. Unfortunately, IF the ACC were adding teams due to necessity Memphis is in a bad position due to timing more than anything.

IF stuff holds off for 10 years or so and the investments Memphis is starting to make now improve their program/school then who knows what will happen.

Cincinnati's previous AD was horrible and put Cincinnati way behind the 8-ball...we are slowly digging our way out of this

(02-19-2013 05:59 PM)krux Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 05:53 PM)GrandmasterTiger Wrote:  When Louisville was in cusa the idea of getting into the big east was outlandish, and when they were in the big east, the acc was farfetched. In fact, common thought was that Uconn was ahead of Louisville.

Fast-forward and we can see that time and circumstances can change outcome. Therefore, if anyone should understand this, it should be a Louisville fan.

So, to say "Memphis isn't going anywhere" is not only not based on any facts, it defies the very logic that led your university to where it is now. A member of a dying ACC that will likely be adding teams when current teams leave.

If you don't believe Memphis is near the top of that list, you aren't paying attention.

Key difference. Louisville has invested in their program, won games, upgraded facilities, academics etc. Memphis has invested in basketball and is just now starting to invest in football. Unfortunately, IF the ACC were adding teams due to necessity Memphis is in a bad position due to timing more than anything.

IF stuff holds off for 10 years or so and the investments Memphis is starting to make now improve their program/school then who knows what will happen.

You obviously need to be informed: Memphis has invested in its program as well which was evidenced by our championship run under Cal and 6 straight bowl appearances under Tommy West. In fact, our athletic budget would be middle of the pack in current ACC.

Again, there are 2 universities solidly ahead of Memphis, after that, Memphis is very much in the mix. Realignment isn't lasting 10 years. Most of these moves will happen in the next year and Memphis will be in that movement. Memphis is in a very good position.

Cinci
Uconn
Memphis
Temple
S. Florida
C. Florida

I need to be informed? I thought I was pretty fair in my assessment but for research sake...those 6 bowl games were the ONLY bowl games you've ever been to.

"The Memphis Tigers currently hold a record of 3–3 in bowl games. The Burley Bowl was not an NCAA sanctioned Division I FBS bowl game." - Wikipedia

"Conference titles 4 (1 SIAA, 3 MVC)" - Wikipedia - Where are the CUSA titles?

"The Tennessee Board of Regents approved last month a $36.2 million budget for University of Memphis athletics in 2012-13, the school's final year in Conference USA." - Memphis Commercial Appeal - The average ACC budget as of the 2010 season was $52 million...hardly middle of the pack.

That championship run resulted in what exactly? Not a final four...considering that doesn't exist in the NCAA's eyes.

I couldn't find Memphis' US News Academic Ranking...probably because they aren't ranked...

(02-19-2013 06:05 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Cincinnati's previous AD was horrible and put Cincinnati way behind the 8-ball...we are slowly digging our way out of this

He must be a cousin of Steve Kragthorpe, who almost single handedly destroyed the entire University of Louisville athletic program, with his serious ineptitude as a footbal coach.

So .... I feel your pain.

I think Cincinnati's "resume" is pretty solid when it comes to being attractive to other conferences. I think the Tuberville hire is a good one. And I like Mick too. A good duo there. I'm not sue if it will be the ACC or the Big XII, but I think one of those will be Cincy's home in time.


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(02-19-2013 03:24 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  an upgraded stadium is not going to resonate with the ACC presidents..

now a new home for the business school and a new cutting edge bio research lab, that might pique the interest.

Academics means nothing to the ACC. If it did, they would have taken UConn over Louisville. But Louisville had a higher ranked FB team this year and 10,000+ more butts in the seats per game.

(02-19-2013 11:16 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 03:24 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  an upgraded stadium is not going to resonate with the ACC presidents..

now a new home for the business school and a new cutting edge bio research lab, that might pique the interest.

Academics means nothing to the ACC. If it did, they would have taken UConn over Louisville. But Louisville had a higher ranked FB team this year and 10,000+ more butts in the seats per game.

Forget Louisville, just look at UNC and you know that academics NOW mean nothing to the ACC.

(02-20-2013 09:21 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 11:16 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 03:24 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  an upgraded stadium is not going to resonate with the ACC presidents..

now a new home for the business school and a new cutting edge bio research lab, that might pique the interest.

Academics means nothing to the ACC. If it did, they would have taken UConn over Louisville. But Louisville had a higher ranked FB team this year and 10,000+ more butts in the seats per game.

Forget Louisville, just look at UNC and you know that academics NOW mean nothing to the ACC.

... burn.

AtlanticLeague, UC's campus has been named as one of the most beautiful in the world by several publications within the past few years. Forbes, Travel and Leisure, Delta Sky, etc...

http://www.uc.edu/news/NR.aspx?id=14362

This has information on it. Maybe you don't like the modern buildings, but UC's design school is ranked among the top 5 in the world. The campus shows this.

Not sure how much truth there is to this twitter but, people at this level definitely don't communicate like this.

(02-19-2013 06:06 PM)GrandmasterTiger Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 05:59 PM)krux Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 05:53 PM)GrandmasterTiger Wrote:  When Louisville was in cusa the idea of getting into the big east was outlandish, and when they were in the big east, the acc was farfetched. In fact, common thought was that Uconn was ahead of Louisville.

Fast-forward and we can see that time and circumstances can change outcome. Therefore, if anyone should understand this, it should be a Louisville fan.

So, to say "Memphis isn't going anywhere" is not only not based on any facts, it defies the very logic that led your university to where it is now. A member of a dying ACC that will likely be adding teams when current teams leave.

If you don't believe Memphis is near the top of that list, you aren't paying attention.

Key difference. Louisville has invested in their program, won games, upgraded facilities, academics etc. Memphis has invested in basketball and is just now starting to invest in football. Unfortunately, IF the ACC were adding teams due to necessity Memphis is in a bad position due to timing more than anything.

IF stuff holds off for 10 years or so and the investments Memphis is starting to make now improve their program/school then who knows what will happen.

You obviously need to be informed: Memphis has invested in its program as well which was evidenced by our championship run under Cal and 6 straight bowl appearances under Tommy West. In fact, our athletic budget would be middle of the pack in current ACC.

Again, there are 2 universities solidly ahead of Memphis, after that, Memphis is very much in the mix. Realignment isn't lasting 10 years. Most of these moves will happen in the next year and Memphis will be in that movement. Memphis is in a very good position.

Cinci
Uconn
Memphis
Temple
S. Florida
C. Florida

Add Houston and SMU to that list and I can't help but think you have a decent core for a conference. But with only 2 million a year in television revenue, it's DOA.

(02-20-2013 10:49 AM)mlb Wrote:  AtlanticLeague, UC's campus has been named as one of the most beautiful in the world by several publications within the past few years. Forbes, Travel and Leisure, Delta Sky, etc...

http://www.uc.edu/news/NR.aspx?id=14362

This has information on it. Maybe you don't like the modern buildings, but UC's design school is ranked among the top 5 in the world. The campus shows this.

Many modern buildings are quite beautiful. My qualm is that the passage of time is not always kind to their design.

Cincinnati needs to remain patient and continue to build up it's academics and athetlic department because they would currently rank with the bottom of the ACC in those categories.

(02-21-2013 09:14 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 10:49 AM)mlb Wrote:  AtlanticLeague, UC's campus has been named as one of the most beautiful in the world by several publications within the past few years. Forbes, Travel and Leisure, Delta Sky, etc...

http://www.uc.edu/news/NR.aspx?id=14362

This has information on it. Maybe you don't like the modern buildings, but UC's design school is ranked among the top 5 in the world. The campus shows this.

Many modern buildings are quite beautiful. My qualm is that the passage of time is not always kind to their design.

The biggest mistakes are the design of the inside more so than outside.
But it isn't as though UC is going to building a brick or limestone building and throw ivy on it.

(02-20-2013 11:00 AM)RedEyeCougar Wrote:  Not sure how much truth there is to this twitter but, people at this level definitely don't communicate like this.

This was in an article in the Enquirer:

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130...id-woo-ACC

The twitteratti stole the "scoop" directly from a major newspaper.


FWIW, I think that we're next in line to the ACC either way. UConn may or may not have been ahead of us based on credentials, but they burned their bridges in both 2003 and 2011 by their reactions to the raids.

(02-21-2013 09:16 AM)Riptsa Wrote:  Cincinnati needs to remain patient and continue to build up it's academics and athetlic department because they would currently rank with the bottom of the ACC in those categories.

Actually our research would rank 5th in the ACC, trailing only Duke, Pitt, UNC, and Georgia Tech:
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf12330/tables/tab15.xls

And our athletic department as a whole would fit in quite nicely, actually. If you added the $15 million difference between the ACC contract and the BE contract to our athletic budget, we'd be comfortably in the middle-third of spending. But we don't have to have that spend as much to have the same quality because most of our football recruiting is local, and most of our secondary sports are able to play OOC games within a short bus trip. Most of the ACC schools (and most other schools in the country, for that matter) have airplane trips blowing up their budgets.

(02-22-2013 09:54 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 09:16 AM)Riptsa Wrote:  Cincinnati needs to remain patient and continue to build up it's academics and athetlic department because they would currently rank with the bottom of the ACC in those categories.

Actually our research would rank 5th in the ACC, trailing only Duke, Pitt, UNC, and Georgia Tech:
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf12330/tables/tab15.xls

And our athletic department as a whole would fit in quite nicely, actually. If you added the $15 million difference between the ACC contract and the BE contract to our athletic budget, we'd be comfortably in the middle-third of spending. But we don't have to have that spend as much to have the same quality because most of our football recruiting is local, and most of our secondary sports are able to play OOC games within a short bus trip. Most of the ACC schools (and most other schools in the country, for that matter) have airplane trips blowing up their budgets.

Ripsta has been banned. He was a troll posing as a UC fan to stir the pot. He was educated on our academics, telivsion market and athletic budget on our board before he got the heave-ho.

(02-22-2013 09:54 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 09:16 AM)Riptsa Wrote:  Cincinnati needs to remain patient and continue to build up it's academics and athetlic department because they would currently rank with the bottom of the ACC in those categories.

Actually our research would rank 5th in the ACC, trailing only Duke, Pitt, UNC, and Georgia Tech:
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf12330/tables/tab15.xls

And our athletic department as a whole would fit in quite nicely, actually. If you added the $15 million difference between the ACC contract and the BE contract to our athletic budget, we'd be comfortably in the middle-third of spending. But we don't have to have that spend as much to have the same quality because most of our football recruiting is local, and most of our secondary sports are able to play OOC games within a short bus trip. Most of the ACC schools (and most other schools in the country, for that matter) have airplane trips blowing up their budgets.

Your right captainbearcat. We are light years ahead of some ACC schools in terms of academic standing, research budget, campus appearence, athletic facilities. UC would fit very nicely into the ACC. The only item we would be behind in is our athletic budget which we have made plans to improve.

In Cincinnati's case is was NOT the former AD Mike Thomas that put us into a bad position, it was the former president Greg Williams who voted down the ESPN 130 million dollar offer, who was steadfast in the that university remain in the Big East and was a very serious supporter of the league spending nearly an entire summer in New York trying to fix the tv and league problems before he resigned. Williams single handedly caused more problems than any president at UC since Henry Winkler.Cincinnati is in a great position to move to a better conference, has upgraded the coaching situation and will move to a better conference within the next two years. You heard it here !!!