(01-04-2013 07:21 PM)Caltex2 Wrote:  But like I said, at least SBU has been relevant every now and then so it is what it is. And you guys need a new Bob Lanier.

We just had one!

Mid-major is a football thing ~ which makes sense, since you need far more resources to field a top level competitive football team, year after year. A conference that is a mid-major in football could be the highest ranked basketball conference in the country, it would be a mid-major conference that plays excellent basketball. Sagarin rankings, to take a widely available example, have the MWC 2nd and the current Big East 3rd ... but because the MWC is a football mid-major, its not going to shake the "mid-major" tag.

(A-10, Missouri Valley and WCC are 8, 9 and 10 respectively)

The opportunity for the C7C is to sidestep that. If C7C basketball ranks, as a conference, consistently in and amongst the Five Majors, it has an excellent opportunity to be "the sixth, Basketball-Only, Major".

Ranking close to but underneath the lowest rated of the Football Majors won't do it, because its too easy for the lazy and underinformed to just draw a line underneath the weakest of the Football Majors and say, "this is the boundary line in basketaball".

(01-17-2013 06:13 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Mid-major is a football thing ~ which makes sense, since you need far more resources to field a top level competitive football team, year after year. A conference that is a mid-major in football could be the highest ranked basketball conference in the country, it would be a mid-major conference that plays excellent basketball. Sagarin rankings, to take a widely available example, have the MWC 2nd and the current Big East 3rd ... but because the MWC is a football mid-major, its not going to shake the "mid-major" tag.

(A-10, Missouri Valley and WCC are 8, 9 and 10 respectively)

The opportunity for the C7C is to sidestep that. If C7C basketball ranks, as a conference, consistently in and amongst the Five Majors, it has an excellent opportunity to be "the sixth, Basketball-Only, Major".

Ranking close to but underneath the lowest rated of the Football Majors won't do it, because its too easy for the lazy and underinformed to just draw a line underneath the weakest of the Football Majors and say, "this is the boundary line in basketaball".

Well i'm pretty sure if we invite the 5 we've been hearing about (Butler, Xavier, Dayton, Creighton and SLU) we are already better than the Pac and SEC.

(01-17-2013 07:07 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 06:13 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Mid-major is a football thing ~ which makes sense, since you need far more resources to field a top level competitive football team, year after year. A conference that is a mid-major in football could be the highest ranked basketball conference in the country, it would be a mid-major conference that plays excellent basketball. Sagarin rankings, to take a widely available example, have the MWC 2nd and the current Big East 3rd ... but because the MWC is a football mid-major, its not going to shake the "mid-major" tag.

(A-10, Missouri Valley and WCC are 8, 9 and 10 respectively)

The opportunity for the C7C is to sidestep that. If C7C basketball ranks, as a conference, consistently in and amongst the Five Majors, it has an excellent opportunity to be "the sixth, Basketball-Only, Major".

Ranking close to but underneath the lowest rated of the Football Majors won't do it, because its too easy for the lazy and underinformed to just draw a line underneath the weakest of the Football Majors and say, "this is the boundary line in basketaball".

Well i'm pretty sure if we invite the 5 we've been hearing about (Butler, Xavier, Dayton, Creighton and SLU) we are already better than the Pac and SEC.

...and probably the Big East remnants...

(01-17-2013 07:30 PM)cr8ngrad Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 07:07 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 06:13 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Mid-major is a football thing ~ which makes sense, since you need far more resources to field a top level competitive football team, year after year. A conference that is a mid-major in football could be the highest ranked basketball conference in the country, it would be a mid-major conference that plays excellent basketball. Sagarin rankings, to take a widely available example, have the MWC 2nd and the current Big East 3rd ... but because the MWC is a football mid-major, its not going to shake the "mid-major" tag.

(A-10, Missouri Valley and WCC are 8, 9 and 10 respectively)

The opportunity for the C7C is to sidestep that. If C7C basketball ranks, as a conference, consistently in and amongst the Five Majors, it has an excellent opportunity to be "the sixth, Basketball-Only, Major".

Ranking close to but underneath the lowest rated of the Football Majors won't do it, because its too easy for the lazy and underinformed to just draw a line underneath the weakest of the Football Majors and say, "this is the boundary line in basketaball".

Well i'm pretty sure if we invite the 5 we've been hearing about (Butler, Xavier, Dayton, Creighton and SLU) we are already better than the Pac and SEC.

...and probably the Big East remnants...

He said the FIVE majors, I automatically assumed they were not part of that conversation.

(01-17-2013 07:57 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 07:30 PM)cr8ngrad Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 07:07 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 06:13 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Mid-major is a football thing ~ which makes sense, since you need far more resources to field a top level competitive football team, year after year. A conference that is a mid-major in football could be the highest ranked basketball conference in the country, it would be a mid-major conference that plays excellent basketball. Sagarin rankings, to take a widely available example, have the MWC 2nd and the current Big East 3rd ... but because the MWC is a football mid-major, its not going to shake the "mid-major" tag.

(A-10, Missouri Valley and WCC are 8, 9 and 10 respectively)

The opportunity for the C7C is to sidestep that. If C7C basketball ranks, as a conference, consistently in and amongst the Five Majors, it has an excellent opportunity to be "the sixth, Basketball-Only, Major".

Ranking close to but underneath the lowest rated of the Football Majors won't do it, because its too easy for the lazy and underinformed to just draw a line underneath the weakest of the Football Majors and say, "this is the boundary line in basketaball".

Well i'm pretty sure if we invite the 5 we've been hearing about (Butler, Xavier, Dayton, Creighton and SLU) we are already better than the Pac and SEC.

...and probably the Big East remnants...

He said the FIVE majors, I automatically assumed they were not part of that conversation.

LOL...good point...my bad...