(01-09-2013 11:38 PM)GCEagle Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 11:05 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 07:24 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  No offense, TSU, but giving home-and-home arrangements to schools on the fringe of FBS just shows what an amateur our AD is. Again, I mean no offense... it's a coup on your part and you should celebrate it as such.

You are obviously not cognizant of the dire situation with our budget. We have to play who we can afford to play. If people would get off their asses and support Southern Miss athletics then we might have some more options for scheduling.

Just a friendly question. How much money do you donate to Southern Miss athletics? If it's less than $1000 including season ticket purchases you don't have much right to complain.

Do you not understand the type of people we graduate? Most of our graduates are teachers, nurses and things like that. They aren't the kind of people that can just drop a grand on college athletics. I'm currently a student and when I graduate I will likely do the minimum $250 EC donation. Does that mean I shouldn't have a say in how things are run?

I majored in computer science, as did many of my cohorts. I have a number of friends that have advanced degrees in polymer science. other alumni that I have kept up with over the years own their own businesses, accounting firms, & etc, etc. I would venture to say that everyone that I graduated with can afford to drop a thousand bucks on our alma mater.

you could point out that the IHL runs higher education in the state of mississippi like a cartel run by and for the students and alumni of UM and MS without making us sound like paupers and rejects.

Dosent matter....line up play & win.

Winning bri gs fans & gets attention no matter the conference..

(01-09-2013 08:52 PM)Cajuncat Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 07:50 PM)GCEagle Wrote:  I don't understand how we couldn't get TXST to be a one and done. I don't like the WKU series, but it got us a home-and-home in basketball which is a solid series so I guess thats ok.

You don't want the exposure to Texas recruits or more revenue?

Who needs Texas exposure when you have TWO Florida schools in your conference!

(01-09-2013 07:24 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  No offense, TSU, but giving home-and-home arrangements to schools on the fringe of FBS just shows what an amateur our AD is. Again, I mean no offense... it's a coup on your part and you should celebrate it as such.

do you feel that way when so miss gets a home and home with a big boy . Purdue gave Marshall and 1 for one as did lville. Which is basically the same thing

(01-10-2013 10:46 AM)goherd17 Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 07:24 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  No offense, TSU, but giving home-and-home arrangements to schools on the fringe of FBS just shows what an amateur our AD is. Again, I mean no offense... it's a coup on your part and you should celebrate it as such.

do you feel that way when so miss gets a home and home with a big boy . Purdue gave Marshall and 1 for one as did lville. Which is basically the same thing

Yeah, I did think it was a coup when we got A&M, Nebraska, etc. at home.

I don't think their fans are whining about it, though, because their programs were on the way up. We're a decent opponent that won't trash their SoS and their fans can visit NOLA. USM's situation is completely different.

Honestly, if Nebraska were getting kicked out of their conference, their fans would probably start asking if playing at USM was a bad idea.

(01-10-2013 10:28 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 11:38 PM)GCEagle Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 11:05 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 07:24 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  No offense, TSU, but giving home-and-home arrangements to schools on the fringe of FBS just shows what an amateur our AD is. Again, I mean no offense... it's a coup on your part and you should celebrate it as such.

You are obviously not cognizant of the dire situation with our budget. We have to play who we can afford to play. If people would get off their asses and support Southern Miss athletics then we might have some more options for scheduling.

Just a friendly question. How much money do you donate to Southern Miss athletics? If it's less than $1000 including season ticket purchases you don't have much right to complain.

Do you not understand the type of people we graduate? Most of our graduates are teachers, nurses and things like that. They aren't the kind of people that can just drop a grand on college athletics. I'm currently a student and when I graduate I will likely do the minimum $250 EC donation. Does that mean I shouldn't have a say in how things are run?

I majored in computer science, as did many of my cohorts. I have a number of friends that have advanced degrees in polymer science. other alumni that I have kept up with over the years own their own businesses, accounting firms, & etc, etc. I would venture to say that everyone that I graduated with can afford to drop a thousand bucks on our alma mater.

you could point out that the IHL runs higher education in the state of mississippi like a cartel run by and for the students and alumni of UM and MS without making us sound like paupers and rejects.

I'm a CS grad. I'm also taking classes to get my CPA. My perception of USM alumni is that 1) many of us are ambitious; there is a lot of entrepreneurial spirit there and 2) USM has a lot of alumni. Somebody should put together an FBS alumni count ranking. We'd look pretty good, I think.

(01-10-2013 10:20 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  The General is fixing what needs to be fixed. WE HAVE NO MONEY. You gotta understand this. We are going to need to play big opponents exclusively on the road for a couple years. We also can't afford to pay Texas State (and similar programs) to simply come to Hattiesburg and play a game or a series. That's just the way it is.

Looking forward to having Tx State visit Hattiesburg in August. Hope y'all bring some good fans.

Yes, we have to play some big names on the road... But I don't see a problem with an occasional home-and-home with the smaller schools (providing they're not in the same year)...

So i don't want to see a combination of TxSt/SouthBama in the same year with a (two random mid-level BCS-conference teams) lineup...

So if we were able to get an OkSt/Virginia combination (and I just picked two teams at randoM), i'd want that TxSt/ combination with another mid-tierBCS team or higher.

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(01-10-2013 10:20 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 10:04 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Giannini got us home games with Nebraska, A&M, Boise State, etc.

He also gave us Ellis Johnson and racked up how much debt in the process?

The General is fixing what needs to be fixed. WE HAVE NO MONEY. You gotta understand this. We are going to need to play big opponents exclusively on the road for a couple years. We also can't afford to pay Texas State (and similar programs) to simply come to Hattiesburg and play a game or a series. That's just the way it is.

Looking forward to having Tx State visit Hattiesburg in August. Hope y'all bring some good fans.

I just can't take Hammond's financial commentary seriously. The things Giannini has said in response make more sense to me. I think RG has more financial acumen (having spent his career as a college administrator) and has a better grasp on which numbers matter. Plus, the timing of all this money talk (which started right when Hammond was pushing for the AD job) just destroys its credibility. I could be wrong...I was wrong about RG (i.e. didn't appreciate him) until I got a dose of the alternative. I would just suggest that you take care that you don't let your perceptions get controlled by Hammond's machinations. He's in over his head IMHO... he had the political skills to get the AD job, but now he has to actually do the job, and almost nothing in his background has prepared him for it. (Ordering one's secretary to join the Eagle Club is not a fundraising strategy.)

(01-10-2013 12:33 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  A

(01-10-2013 10:20 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 10:04 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Giannini got us home games with Nebraska, A&M, Boise State, etc.

He also gave us Ellis Johnson and racked up how much debt in the process?

The General is fixing what needs to be fixed. WE HAVE NO MONEY. You gotta understand this. We are going to need to play big opponents exclusively on the road for a couple years. We also can't afford to pay Texas State (and similar programs) to simply come to Hattiesburg and play a game or a series. That's just the way it is.

Looking forward to having Tx State visit Hattiesburg in August. Hope y'all bring some good fans.

I just can't take Hammond's financial commentary seriously. The things Giannini has said in response make more sense to me. I think RG has more financial acumen (having spent his career as a college administrator) and has a better grasp on which numbers matter. Plus, the timing of all this money talk (which started right when Hammond was pushing for the AD job) just destroys its credibility. I could be wrong...I was wrong about RG (i.e. didn't appreciate him) until I got a dose of the alternative. I would just suggest that you take care that you don't let your perceptions get controlled by Hammond's machinations.

This is just a ridiculous statement. Giannini left Hammond with multi-million dollar debt. Do you just refuse to acknowledge this? How does that equal "more financial acumen" when the General is doing what needs to be done to relieve said debt? You don't even recognize the plain fact that Hammond hired Tyndall and Monken and secured the money to fire Ellis Johnson (instead of piling MORE debt). The General DID THAT.

Giannini was a complete incompetent and is the MAIN REASON we are not being considered for an invite to other conferences. That boat sailed years ago. How do you not understand this? Or do you just refuse to?

(01-10-2013 12:33 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I just can't take Hammond's financial commentary seriously. The things Giannini has said in response make more sense to me. I think RG has more financial acumen (having spent his career as a college administrator) and has a better grasp on which numbers matter. Plus, the timing of all this money talk (which started right when Hammond was pushing for the AD job) just destroys its credibility. I could be wrong...I was wrong about RG (i.e. didn't appreciate him) until I got a dose of the alternative. I would just suggest that you take care that you don't let your perceptions get controlled by Hammond's machinations. He's in over his head IMHO... he had the political skills to get the AD job, but now he has to actually do the job, and almost nothing in his background has prepared him for it. (Ordering one's secretary to join the Eagle Club is not a fundraising strategy.)

Andre, you're ignoring a few things.

1) The State Audit itself said we were IN THE HOLE financially. It wasn't a USM study or a pro-RG or a pro-JH group, it was an independent state audit. RG kept swearing we weren't., but you keep swearing up and down that RG never lied about that?

I'll take the word of the State auditors over the ex-Ath.Director.

2) the story about ordering someone to join the EC was NOT proven true, but you kept throwing that story out there as if it was.

And then there's one thing you've never done, when I've asked you this: Define SOMETHING, in fact, ANTYHING that has said that Hammond's in over his head? What? He hasn't gotten us in a new conference? Guess what, RG despite all his comments never moved the university away from C-USA.

Hell, RG was the one that kept IGNORING the track coach (see the HA story about that and how our track coach couldn't even get an audience with him.) request for money for the track, Hammond's at least trying to get the situation resolved. Can Hammond get credit for fixing it? Nope, (as the situation still isn't resolved) but RG suredoesn't deserve to be put on the pedastal that you keep wanting to put him on, Andre.

I give RG credit for getting our Football stadium expansion done.. and for the MINOR changes to the Yurt.. but there is so much more he should have done without putting us in a hole (since, by state law, our books are supposed to balance, EVERY year)

My personal take on the state audit is that it did a good job of showing whether or not RG dotted all his Is and crossed his Ts with respect to IHL guidelines and state law. I don't care too much about that crap. I care about it to the extent that it impacts our record and our conference affiliation, i.e. not much.

The sad fact about track is that it's not football.

I want an AD who talks about conference affiliation. Nobody can will us into the Big XII except for whoever's running UT. However, when I hear "we're just fine in CUSA and we're not looking at alternatives," that sets off my BS detector as well as my incompetence detector.

Quote:My personal take on the state audit is that it did a good job of showing whether or not RG dotted all his Is and crossed his Ts with respect to IHL guidelines and state law. I don't care too much about that crap. I care about it to the extent that it impacts our record and our conference affiliation, i.e. not much.

You're the one who just wrote an entire paragraph that said (in a nutshell):

Quote:I think RG has more financial acumen (having spent his career as a college administrator) and has a better grasp on which numbers matter.

But now you don't care that the audit said your financial Guru lied to us as fans? Make up your mind Andre. I honestly believe you're pissed at the General for some unknown reason, and are using every excuse to throw him under the bus.

Quote:The sad fact about track is that it's not football.

The job title doesn't say Athletic Director of USM Football.. It says "Athletic Director". That's ALL athletics, including the non-revenue ones. Just because you don't like the fact that RG ignored a situation that needed resolution doesn't mean it doesn't matter in the term of _all_ athletics.

Quote:I want an AD who talks about conference affiliation.

Talks or delivers? All RG did was talk about how things were looking bright.. And yes, if the Alliance had gone through, I would agree, he did a good job. But the alliance didn't come through, and we were right where we started with RG. We started in a C-USA with RG at the helm, and we ended RG's term with us still in C-USA, so how did he "succeed" in that regard?

Let's get those windows all nice and pretty on the house, and maybe we'll worry about the foundation after the four walls fall in.

Again, I give RG a ton of credit for getting the renovations for the Rock DONE... Pete taylor park? GREAT! The Yurt? a new coat of paint? Ehh.. missing the mark. No Track maintenance? Nope. Wasting money on those "washers"? Talk about a complete 180 on your statement about "knowing his financial numbers".

(01-10-2013 01:08 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  My personal take on the state audit is that it did a good job of showing whether or not RG dotted all his Is and crossed his Ts with respect to IHL guidelines and state law. I don't care too much about that crap. I care about it to the extent that it impacts our record and our conference affiliation, i.e. not much.

The sad fact about track is that it's not football.

I want an AD who talks about conference affiliation. Nobody can will us into the Big XII except for whoever's running UT. However, when I hear "we're just fine in CUSA and we're not looking at alternatives," that sets off my BS detector as well as my incompetence detector.

There is absolutely no way in hell anyone acting as our AD could get us in the Big 12. If you think otherwise, you're completely delusional.

I think we have a shot @ the big12 once texas, tx tech, oklahoma & ok state go to the pac12. also w. Virginia, kansas & kansas st will probably nees to head to the acc.....the nbe members may pic up baylor & tcu, then maybe.....MAYBE we get our invite to the big 12

USM will be very unlikely to move to the Big 12 or any other of the big conferences because our tv market is so small, our stadium is so small, and our support in the area is so lacking. If we could get the financial backing, and attending of games even in a nightmare like 2012 we could do better, but I have never seen USM football get the respect in it's area it got outside of it's area. You can't blame the AD or anyone but the community for that, and the tv market is something that can't be changed as long as you can't get people to move in to the area in huge numbers. Frankly, since I live in the Phoenix market, I can tell you, the small area has advantages over this huge area, but it also has it's drawbacks, but to have a program like USM football and not give it more support is shameful.

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Holds about 30k, right? Very nice.

(01-10-2013 02:34 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  http://smdrcatscradle.files.wordpress.co...may-24.jpg

Holds about 30k, right? Very nice.

Depends on what they put on top of that scaffolding. UH fans know what I'm talking about.

(01-10-2013 01:23 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 01:08 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  My personal take on the state audit is that it did a good job of showing whether or not RG dotted all his Is and crossed his Ts with respect to IHL guidelines and state law. I don't care too much about that crap. I care about it to the extent that it impacts our record and our conference affiliation, i.e. not much.

The sad fact about track is that it's not football.

I want an AD who talks about conference affiliation. Nobody can will us into the Big XII except for whoever's running UT. However, when I hear "we're just fine in CUSA and we're not looking at alternatives," that sets off my BS detector as well as my incompetence detector.

There is absolutely no way in hell anyone acting as our AD could get us in the Big 12. If you think otherwise, you're completely delusional.

That was an example. I'd settle for what McClellan was able to accomplish, i.e. keeping the Southland 2.0 out of Hattiesburg.

(01-10-2013 01:22 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

Quote:My personal take on the state audit is that it did a good job of showing whether or not RG dotted all his Is and crossed his Ts with respect to IHL guidelines and state law. I don't care too much about that crap. I care about it to the extent that it impacts our record and our conference affiliation, i.e. not much.

You're the one who just wrote an entire paragraph that said (in a nutshell):

Quote:I think RG has more financial acumen (having spent his career as a college administrator) and has a better grasp on which numbers matter.

But now you don't care that the audit said your financial Guru lied to us as fans? Make up your mind Andre. I honestly believe you're pissed at the General for some unknown reason, and are using every excuse to throw him under the bus.

Quote:The sad fact about track is that it's not football.

The job title doesn't say Athletic Director of USM Football.. It says "Athletic Director". That's ALL athletics, including the non-revenue ones. Just because you don't like the fact that RG ignored a situation that needed resolution doesn't mean it doesn't matter in the term of _all_ athletics.

Quote:I want an AD who talks about conference affiliation.

Talks or delivers? All RG did was talk about how things were looking bright.. And yes, if the Alliance had gone through, I would agree, he did a good job. But the alliance didn't come through, and we were right where we started with RG. We started in a C-USA with RG at the helm, and we ended RG's term with us still in C-USA, so how did he "succeed" in that regard?

Let's get those windows all nice and pretty on the house, and maybe we'll worry about the foundation after the four walls fall in.

Again, I give RG a ton of credit for getting the renovations for the Rock DONE... Pete taylor park? GREAT! The Yurt? a new coat of paint? Ehh.. missing the mark. No Track maintenance? Nope. Wasting money on those "washers"? Talk about a complete 180 on your statement about "knowing his financial numbers".

I never said RG was the next Alan Greenspan, but he managed and increased our athletic budget during what turned out to be a golden era.

Hammond lost me when he started airing our dirty laundry in public. It was self serving and completely inappropriate. I thought that move should have cost him the AD job.

If Nebraska is not above going to Hattiesburg, Southern Miss is not above going to San Marcos.