(01-09-2013 09:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 07:55 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 07:47 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 07:30 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 07:23 PM)thegalen Wrote:  I love it. Agree to a block of home and homes effectively making them an informal 13th member and the new conference relevant in a new market for the low low price of $0 (save for travel costs incurred by individual schools, of course).

I think that helps them a lot more than that helps us. They get big names from the best pure BBall conference. We get an essential mid-major. We need to be scheduling big name schools like Duke, UK, Ohio St, Indiana, Cuse, UofL, UConn, UCLA, Arizona and KU. Schools from the Big 5 are who we need to play and beat to be seen as equals to them. The BBall cousin of the Big 5 so to speak.

I'm not with you on Gonzaga being a "mid major." I am with you on packing the OOC with blue bloods, but there will be plenty of open OOC slots thanks to plenty of schools like Duke and Kentucky wondering why they should deign to schedule "essentially a mid-major" in Butler, Xavier or Creighton and thereby pick their own pocket in helping the NBE's at-large prospects. Plus, I like the idea of hoops-first/only schools sticking together, even if they can't all be in the same super-hoops conference.

Group scheduling Gonzaga, and scheduling blue bloods, aren't either/or propositions!

I was just saying that they get a LOT more out of the arrangement than we do. We put them on our level without really getting anything back. We in fact make the WCC more valuable.

Gonzaga is on our level. Look at their schedules normally. This year a down schedule for them- West Virginia, Clemson, Oklahoma, Illinois, Kansas St, Baylor, Oklahoma St, Butler still... They are elite any way you slice it.

As an added bonus, any game the new conference plays against Gonzaga is one less game Gonzaga plays against the B1G, the ACC or any of those whack ass football conferences. F em all!

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...rs-sources

Quote:Representatives from the Catholic 7 held discussions in New York on Wednesday that included potential future commissioners of the league as well as its television deal, sources said.

At the meeting, Fox officials reaffirmed a $500 million rights fee offer that would be predicated on a 12-year deal with the Catholic 7 (DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's, Villanova) adding five additional teams to the league.

It will be 12 teams if Fox has it's way. If the conference wants it's payday, Fox is going to have it's way.

(01-10-2013 09:41 AM)VCUfan Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...rs-sources

Quote:Representatives from the Catholic 7 held discussions in New York on Wednesday that included potential future commissioners of the league as well as its television deal, sources said.

At the meeting, Fox officials reaffirmed a $500 million rights fee offer that would be predicated on a 12-year deal with the Catholic 7 (DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's, Villanova) adding five additional teams to the league.

It will be 12 teams if Fox has it's way. If the conference wants it's payday, Fox is going to have it's way.

If Fox wants us right away maybe we can negotiate a way for them to pay for some of the exit fees AND the Big East name.

ESPN has the language in there again, that would blow this whole thing up.

(01-10-2013 10:05 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 09:41 AM)VCUfan Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...rs-sources

Quote:Representatives from the Catholic 7 held discussions in New York on Wednesday that included potential future commissioners of the league as well as its television deal, sources said.

At the meeting, Fox officials reaffirmed a $500 million rights fee offer that would be predicated on a 12-year deal with the Catholic 7 (DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's, Villanova) adding five additional teams to the league.

It will be 12 teams if Fox has it's way. If the conference wants it's payday, Fox is going to have it's way.

If Fox wants us right away maybe we can negotiate a way for them to pay for some of the exit fees AND the Big East name.

You're already covered! (unless you were referring to the incoming teams)

Quote:Although the teams can leave the Big East without any exit fees if they leave at the end of June 2015, they hope to leave much sooner.

(01-10-2013 10:37 AM)Title Wrote:  ESPN has the language in there again, that would blow this whole thing up.

Yea, very strange to see that crop up again. And even though Rovell's first iteration of this article got a bunch of stuff wrong that was caught and corrected be some ESPN editor, he is citing McMurphy who is generally pretty reliable on realignment. What's striking about the unequal pay tiers is that it's such obvious poison in the well. I can't, for the life of me, figure out what the play is here. Maybe it's a carrot to keep the wobblier of the 7 in line until the exit vote?

(01-10-2013 10:45 AM)thegalen Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 10:37 AM)Title Wrote:  ESPN has the language in there again, that would blow this whole thing up.

Yea, very strange to see that crop up again. And even though Rovell's first iteration of this article got a bunch of stuff wrong that was caught and corrected be some ESPN editor, he is citing McMurphy who is generally pretty reliable on realignment. What's striking about the unequal pay tiers is that it's such obvious poison in the well. I can't, for the life of me, figure out what the play is here. Maybe it's a carrot to keep the wobblier of the 7 in line until the exit vote?

That was not mentioned in this article. I think you guys are confused by espn stating how the current big east divides its tv revenue. The FB schools make 3 mil and the non FB schools (C7+ND) makes 1.5.

(01-10-2013 10:59 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 10:45 AM)thegalen Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 10:37 AM)Title Wrote:  ESPN has the language in there again, that would blow this whole thing up.

Yea, very strange to see that crop up again. And even though Rovell's first iteration of this article got a bunch of stuff wrong that was caught and corrected be some ESPN editor, he is citing McMurphy who is generally pretty reliable on realignment. What's striking about the unequal pay tiers is that it's such obvious poison in the well. I can't, for the life of me, figure out what the play is here. Maybe it's a carrot to keep the wobblier of the 7 in line until the exit vote?

That was not mentioned in this article. I think you guys are confused by espn stating how the current big east divides its tv revenue. The FB schools make 3 mil and the non FB schools (C7+ND) makes 1.5.

"Due to what would likely be a lower fees split with the new teams in the conference, sources say the Catholic 7 could more than double their annual money on TV revenue"

Seems pretty clear to me.

(01-10-2013 11:01 AM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 10:59 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 10:45 AM)thegalen Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 10:37 AM)Title Wrote:  ESPN has the language in there again, that would blow this whole thing up.

Yea, very strange to see that crop up again. And even though Rovell's first iteration of this article got a bunch of stuff wrong that was caught and corrected be some ESPN editor, he is citing McMurphy who is generally pretty reliable on realignment. What's striking about the unequal pay tiers is that it's such obvious poison in the well. I can't, for the life of me, figure out what the play is here. Maybe it's a carrot to keep the wobblier of the 7 in line until the exit vote?

That was not mentioned in this article. I think you guys are confused by espn stating how the current big east divides its tv revenue. The FB schools make 3 mil and the non FB schools (C7+ND) makes 1.5.

"Due to what would likely be a lower fees split with the new teams in the conference, sources say the Catholic 7 could more than double their annual money on TV revenue"

Seems pretty clear to me.

Yeah they updated it from the original link.

I still say bullchit. No one but ESPN is mentioning this. No reputable publication outside of espn has reported this.

(01-09-2013 12:57 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 12:39 PM)thegalen Wrote:  My personal opinion is that ESPN et al have created a bubble, and the C7+ should take what they can get before it bursts. This arms race, and cable cross-subsidization, isn't going to last forever.

FoxSports1 is set to launch with UFC, NASCAR, some Major League Baseball on Saturdays, Champions League soccer and college sports from the Big 12 and PAC. They're in about 80M homes as SPEED, compared to 100M for ESPN. With what they have now, a northeastern carrier could argue that all of the FS1 programming is essentially niche programming that customers will pay extra for, so it goes on a sports tier. Big East basketball changes that, a little bit. IT's not a slam-dunk--the Yankees had to fight tooth and nail to get their network carried. But it helps.

Oh hai Fox Sports and your $3 billion dollar NASCAR rights purchase! It's me, Richmond!

(01-10-2013 12:27 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 12:57 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 12:39 PM)thegalen Wrote:  My personal opinion is that ESPN et al have created a bubble, and the C7+ should take what they can get before it bursts. This arms race, and cable cross-subsidization, isn't going to last forever.

FoxSports1 is set to launch with UFC, NASCAR, some Major League Baseball on Saturdays, Champions League soccer and college sports from the Big 12 and PAC. They're in about 80M homes as SPEED, compared to 100M for ESPN. With what they have now, a northeastern carrier could argue that all of the FS1 programming is essentially niche programming that customers will pay extra for, so it goes on a sports tier. Big East basketball changes that, a little bit. IT's not a slam-dunk--the Yankees had to fight tooth and nail to get their network carried. But it helps.

Oh hai Fox Sports and your $3 billion dollar NASCAR rights purchase! It's me, Richmond!

NASCAR should get FoxSports1 full coverage in Virginia, but doesn't do it north of the Potomac. Or north of Quantico, probably.

(01-10-2013 12:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 12:27 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 12:57 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 12:39 PM)thegalen Wrote:  My personal opinion is that ESPN et al have created a bubble, and the C7+ should take what they can get before it bursts. This arms race, and cable cross-subsidization, isn't going to last forever.

FoxSports1 is set to launch with UFC, NASCAR, some Major League Baseball on Saturdays, Champions League soccer and college sports from the Big 12 and PAC. They're in about 80M homes as SPEED, compared to 100M for ESPN. With what they have now, a northeastern carrier could argue that all of the FS1 programming is essentially niche programming that customers will pay extra for, so it goes on a sports tier. Big East basketball changes that, a little bit. IT's not a slam-dunk--the Yankees had to fight tooth and nail to get their network carried. But it helps.

Oh hai Fox Sports and your $3 billion dollar NASCAR rights purchase! It's me, Richmond!

NASCAR should get FoxSports1 full coverage in Virginia, but doesn't do it north of the Potomac. Or north of Quantico, probably.

DC's HH ratings kinda shocked me. Thought they'd be closer to NYC or LA- instead they're tracking closer to Tampa's.

Who'da thunk it?

(01-09-2013 07:03 PM)JPSchmack Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 02:31 PM)Title Wrote:  Yes because whomever is 11 and 12 are not what is defining the value proposition of the deal.

There is no one remotely comparable to the value of BYU and Gonzaga in those spots. It makes logical sense to take steps to see if its feasible. Both St Louis and Dayton will still be there in two years.

(01-09-2013 04:57 PM)Title Wrote:  The likely reason for the "pit stop" as you call it is that they aren't enthralled with anyone for spots 11 and 12 right now.

I can't imagine why they wouldn't be. Whomever is 11 and 12 isn't "defining" the value, but the presence of 11 and 12 very well could be. Teams 11 and 12 give you way more inventory: 6 more conference games, 48 more non-conference games, two more conference tournament games.

The schedule could be orchestrated to maximize more lucrative matchups. It doesn't "matter" WHO is #11 and #12 per se, because each of the candidates will bring enough interesting games into the mix; and merely HAVING 12 teams will provide additional revenue through the inventory and probably provide for an extra NCAA bid per season (not to mention hurting the A10 even more - or MVC/WCC as well).

Not enthralled by spots 11 and 12? We're talking about schools that have - with all due respect - accomplished as much or more than half the C7.

One of the main reasons people think it will be 12 (aside from inventory) is that most people can't agree on who's team NUMBER TEN because you'd have Saint Louis, Dayton, and Creighton…

… and VCU's currently has a higher profile than any of 'em, with the Final Four and one of the most dynamic young coaches in the country… who plays a style that's REALLY entertaining for TV.

I don't know who your #10 is, but VCU brings the excitement at #11 and #12 brings a developing market. A team you can beat now, and if being a member ups their game, delivers a big market for you in the future (Saint Louis or the Cincy-Dayton Metroplex).

I think VCU and Wichita State are both great adds for a basketball conference. Kansas is a basketball crazy state and is the Southern Virginia market.

St Louis is the weakest team but in a great market and are a bridge to the midwest in Nebraska and Kansas.

I somewhat remember back when Ernhardt passed away many years ago, the Capital Beltway the following weekend had a tribute with a bunch of NASCAR fans.

Earnhardt had his own following. Jr is closest to that but since he doesn't win often a lot of people don't turn in like when Earnhardt was around

(01-10-2013 12:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 12:27 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 12:57 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 12:39 PM)thegalen Wrote:  My personal opinion is that ESPN et al have created a bubble, and the C7+ should take what they can get before it bursts. This arms race, and cable cross-subsidization, isn't going to last forever.

FoxSports1 is set to launch with UFC, NASCAR, some Major League Baseball on Saturdays, Champions League soccer and college sports from the Big 12 and PAC. They're in about 80M homes as SPEED, compared to 100M for ESPN. With what they have now, a northeastern carrier could argue that all of the FS1 programming is essentially niche programming that customers will pay extra for, so it goes on a sports tier. Big East basketball changes that, a little bit. IT's not a slam-dunk--the Yankees had to fight tooth and nail to get their network carried. But it helps.

Oh hai Fox Sports and your $3 billion dollar NASCAR rights purchase! It's me, Richmond!

NASCAR should get FoxSports1 full coverage in Virginia, but doesn't do it north of the Potomac. Or north of Quantico, probably.

Don't you think Missouri, or at least St. Louis is right behind VA then?

The Cards dominate on TV and behind NASCAR, MLB is Fox Sports 1's next biggest/priciest asset.


http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/medi...v-ratings/

(01-11-2013 11:19 AM)thegalen Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 12:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  NASCAR should get FoxSports1 full coverage in Virginia, but doesn't do it north of the Potomac. Or north of Quantico, probably.

Don't you think Missouri, or at least St. Louis is right behind VA then?

I don't know enough about Missouri to say. Maybe NASCAR lights it up in Missouri. I don't know.

The problem with MLB as an anchor property is that there's so so much of it. Say that FoxSports1 Saturday game somehow gets the Cardinals every Saturday, exclusive to FS1. That's about 25-30 games. No FoxSports1, Cardinals fans still get 130 games on local cable. And most of the FoxSports1 Saturday games will be on against Cardinals games.

I was saying that, if Comcast wanted to make NBC Sports Net a player, they needed to drop $2 BILLION dollars a year on the table for an exclusive, national MLB package--10 games a week on NBC and NBC-SN, and an agreement to produce the same number for MLB network. That's what it would take to put NBC-SN on the radar with MLB as the vehicle. Otherwise, you maybe grumble that you miss tonight's game if you don't get FS1, but there's another game tomorrow on Fox Sports Missouri.

(01-11-2013 11:40 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 11:19 AM)thegalen Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 12:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  NASCAR should get FoxSports1 full coverage in Virginia, but doesn't do it north of the Potomac. Or north of Quantico, probably.

Don't you think Missouri, or at least St. Louis is right behind VA then?

Otherwise, you maybe grumble that you miss tonight's game if you don't get FS1, but there's another game tomorrow on Fox Sports Missouri.

True, but I've got to imagine that FS1 and FSN Midwest will try to work the games given them to maximize the incentive for Card's fans to get FS1 even if they have access to FSNM.

On a sidenote, SLU doesn't even dent the St. Louis market:

Quote:And the Bills' big run [over Boston College, Villanova, and Oklahoma] in [the Anaheim Classic] went largely unnoticed by local TV viewers. According to The Nielsen Co., only 1 percent of homes in the area tuned in to ESPN2 to see SLU beat Villanova last Friday in the semifinals and only 1.3 percent saw SLU's victory Sunday night over OU for the title — the Pittsburgh-Kansas City NFL game on KSDK (Channel 5) at the same time drew nearly 10 times as many viewers.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/coll...cl...655d4.html

1% of St. Louis' estimated 1,253,920 TV households during 2011-2012 = 12,539 TV households. 1.3% = 16,300 TV households. These are for, respectively, a 2:00 PM Thanksgiving Day game, a 2:30 PM game the day after Thanksgiving, and a Sunday championship game at 9:00 PM. And, to top it off, this is peak performance in the last 18 years of SLU basketball.

Meanwhile...

Quote:The Rams win over the Dayton Flyers Wednesday night peaked at a 7.7 rating.
Between 8:30 p.m. and 9:15 p.m, the VCU game was the highest-rated program on local network television according to Nielsen.

An estimated 50,000 Central Virginia households watched the Rams win.

http://wtvr.com/2013/01/10/vcu-rams-ratings/

And that's just in Richmond.... The state of VA is ripe for the picking (and is a state worth picking in the first place). SLU can't bring Missouri, let alone St. Louis, and Omaha and Nebraska are goose eggs. Dayton, Butler and Xavier are in the College Basketball Mecca, but there are opportunity costs to tripling down on the same overlapping markets. SLU doesn't have the basketball, and it's just never going to compete with the Cards and the Rams and Mizzou. VCU has the Skins to compete with but their seasons always end early

(01-11-2013 12:20 PM)thegalen Wrote:  True, but I've got to imagine that FS1 and FSN Midwest will try to work the games given them to maximize the incentive for Card's fans to get FS1 even if they have access to FSNM.

They'll try, but they're balancing 30 MLB teams. Missing 1 Cards game out of 162, or even 20 out of 162, is less of an issue than missing 1 out of 16 Rams games if you don't have NFL Network.

Thegalen, I get a lot of what you're saying and I think a lot if fellow posters agree that VCU should be #12 over SLU. The poll in another post fully supports that. I think the reasons you give us why VCU has been making a strong push for that spot as of late. I hope our presidents see the light and bring the rams in. Be it as #12 or they decide they are good enough to warrant 13 teams.