(12-27-2012 12:56 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  How about adding team Thad to the 06-07 team?

good one, forgot about that - and we were right there at the end with him.....or maybe not

(12-27-2012 12:59 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 12:54 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  I think that 09-10 class would have won it. They had the talent at UK but they didn't have the experience in Cal's system to do the teaching. I just think that, although they wouldn't have seen the floor in game situations, Kemp and Mack would have taught that team so so much in practice.

Good point. Sallie woulda shined and Taggart probably stays as well.

x. henry

I think '09-'10 team has probably the best chance.

Although losing Sylvester and Marvin killed me. That team could've been VERY good!!!

Just a note: Was sitting with my dad at his dentist appointment talking to a very close source to the sitaution, that said Vaughn said that he would rather be broke and living on the streets than play another year under the head coach of Memphis at the time. When I asked, "but isn't that his relative"... was told that made the situation so much worse. He would've gone pro a year earlier, but was told it wouldn't have been worth it.

(12-27-2012 12:52 PM)CKMcDan Wrote:  Penny eligible as a freshmen, or sticking around until his Sr year - no way. Those teams weren't very good anyway. Penny makes them better, but no way are they NC caliber.

You mean to tell me you think Penny and a healthy David Vaughn plus a top five recruiting class in America wouldn't have been good enough to go to the final four?

Quote:David Vaughn would have helped out the 95-96 team, but after his knee injury, he wasn't good enough to take anyone to a NC.

The 1994-95 team with Vaughn was cheated out of a Final Four appearance because of a phantom foul call. You think adding Vaughn back to the team that underachieved wouldn't have made a difference?

I like to think that had that team beaten Drexel, the bracket was set-up for them to be successful that year.

Quote:If you add Jeremy Hunt to the 2005-06 team, whose minutes does he take? CDR's, Anderson's or Carney's? Having another senior on the floor probably helps, but what is the trade-off? If we don't have Hunt the next year (2006-07), that team is not nearly as good.

I don't disagree with you, but Jeremy Hunt would have definitely made a difference in 2005-06. I think we definitely win championship if Hunt is on that team.

The 06-07 team overachieved and getting to the Elite Eight was just a wonderful cap to the year.

Quote:Adding Williams & D-wash to the 2006-07 team makes them pretty good. This would be my vote as our best chance for a NC, of each of these scenarios.

If Williams and D-Wash stayed (assuming Hunt would have been able to comeback too), I agree that team would have been a contender.

Quote:I assume that the last option assumes that Calipari moves on to Kentucky in 2010, he just doesn't take John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, Xavier Henry & Damien Dodson with him. While that makes for a formidable line-up, my guess is that Josh kicks DeMarcus Cousins off the team at some point during the season. That guy was a head-case. We don't win a NC without Cousins, since Coleman wasn't nearly as good as everyone though he was going to be.

I meant just that one year Cal stays and that recruiting class comes along with the guys who were on the team Pastner's first year.

Since Cousins would have been the new Dorsey, I doubt he could have done anything to get kicked off the team under Cal.

"We'll make 'em when it counts"

(12-27-2012 12:54 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  I think that 09-10 class would have won it. They had the talent at UK but they didn't have the experience in Cal's system to do the teaching. I just think that, although they wouldn't have seen the floor in game situations, Kemp and Mack would have taught that team so so much in practice.

PG: John Wall/Willie Kemp
SG: Darnell Dodson/Sallie/Nolan Dennis
SF: Xavier Henry/Mack/Spoon
PF: Taggart/Garcia
C: Cousins/Coleman/Niles

(12-27-2012 01:43 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 12:54 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  I think that 09-10 class would have won it. They had the talent at UK but they didn't have the experience in Cal's system to do the teaching. I just think that, although they wouldn't have seen the floor in game situations, Kemp and Mack would have taught that team so so much in practice.

PG: John Wall/Willie Kemp
SG: Darnell Dodson/Sallie/Nolan Dennis
SF: Xavier Henry/Mack/Spoon
PF: Taggart/Garcia
C: Cousins/Coleman/Niles

Too easy

Man, yall are some new school Tigers fans.

(12-27-2012 01:56 PM)madtiger Wrote:  Man, yall are some new school Tigers fans.

Well, the topic was last 25 years. Don't think Penny eligible as a frosh or senior would have been enough.

Vaughn staying was a good choice.

If Vaughn would have stayed healthy we might have done something.
They had just come off an Elite 8 run as freshmen. That was one heck of a good two man team until Vaughn went down.
I am not sure if Vaughn coming back would have made much difference, he was such a different player after he was hurt.

(12-27-2012 01:43 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 12:54 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  I think that 09-10 class would have won it. They had the talent at UK but they didn't have the experience in Cal's system to do the teaching. I just think that, although they wouldn't have seen the floor in game situations, Kemp and Mack would have taught that team so so much in practice.

PG: John Wall/Willie Kemp
SG: Darnell Dodson/Sallie/Nolan Dennis
SF: Xavier Henry/Mack/Spoon
PF: Taggart/Garcia
C: Cousins/Coleman/Niles

Right! Look at that roster. While Kemp, Sallie, Mack, Spoon, Garcia, Niles, etc...aren't stars, they had years in Cal's system. That experience, IMO, would have helped the progression of Cousins, Henry, Dodson, and Wall TONS. That team, at Memphis, cuts down the nets. At UK they just didn't have the experience of A.) The guys in the system and B.) the guys having been to the big dance stage.

fast forward to Spring 2014 and it might be this...

PG: Joe Jackson/Antonio Barton/Rashawn Powell
SG: Geron Johnson/Chris Crawford/Markel Crawford
WF: Kuran Iverson/Nick King
BF (2 positions): Shaq Goodwin/Austin Nichols/Tarik Black

(12-27-2012 02:15 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 01:43 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 12:54 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  I think that 09-10 class would have won it. They had the talent at UK but they didn't have the experience in Cal's system to do the teaching. I just think that, although they wouldn't have seen the floor in game situations, Kemp and Mack would have taught that team so so much in practice.

PG: John Wall/Willie Kemp
SG: Darnell Dodson/Sallie/Nolan Dennis
SF: Xavier Henry/Mack/Spoon
PF: Taggart/Garcia
C: Cousins/Coleman/Niles

Right! Look at that roster. While Kemp, Sallie, Mack, Spoon, Garcia, Niles, etc...aren't stars, they had years in Cal's system. That experience, IMO, would have helped the progression of Cousins, Henry, Dodson, and Wall TONS. That team, at Memphis, cuts down the nets. At UK they just didn't have the experience of A.) The guys in the system and B.) the guys having been to the big dance stage.

...and that doesn't take into consideration Eric Bledsoe or Elliot Williams.

(12-27-2012 02:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 02:15 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 01:43 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 12:54 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  I think that 09-10 class would have won it. They had the talent at UK but they didn't have the experience in Cal's system to do the teaching. I just think that, although they wouldn't have seen the floor in game situations, Kemp and Mack would have taught that team so so much in practice.

PG: John Wall/Willie Kemp
SG: Darnell Dodson/Sallie/Nolan Dennis
SF: Xavier Henry/Mack/Spoon
PF: Taggart/Garcia
C: Cousins/Coleman/Niles

Right! Look at that roster. While Kemp, Sallie, Mack, Spoon, Garcia, Niles, etc...aren't stars, they had years in Cal's system. That experience, IMO, would have helped the progression of Cousins, Henry, Dodson, and Wall TONS. That team, at Memphis, cuts down the nets. At UK they just didn't have the experience of A.) The guys in the system and B.) the guys having been to the big dance stage.

...and that doesn't take into consideration Eric Bledsoe or Elliot Williams.

If Cal stays, I don't think Elliott Williams comes to Memphis.

He probably goes to Vandy.

(12-27-2012 02:09 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  If Vaughn would have stayed healthy we might have done something.
They had just come off an Elite 8 run as freshmen. That was one heck of a good two man team until Vaughn went down.
I am not sure if Vaughn coming back would have made much difference, he was such a different player after he was hurt.

Vaughn averaged 13 and 10 his Jr. year. Not too shabby.

(12-27-2012 02:09 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  If Vaughn would have stayed healthy we might have done something.
They had just come off an Elite 8 run as freshmen. That was one heck of a good two man team until Vaughn went down.
I am not sure if Vaughn coming back would have made much difference, he was such a different player after he was hurt.

He was just very hesitant after the injury.

Not the same mentally at all.

(12-27-2012 02:27 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 02:09 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  If Vaughn would have stayed healthy we might have done something.
They had just come off an Elite 8 run as freshmen. That was one heck of a good two man team until Vaughn went down.
I am not sure if Vaughn coming back would have made much difference, he was such a different player after he was hurt.

Vaughn averaged 13 and 10 his Jr. year. Not too shabby.

Still a very good player and a very talented big at this level.

Not what he was going to be though before the injury.

(12-27-2012 02:26 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 02:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 02:15 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 01:43 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 12:54 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  I think that 09-10 class would have won it. They had the talent at UK but they didn't have the experience in Cal's system to do the teaching. I just think that, although they wouldn't have seen the floor in game situations, Kemp and Mack would have taught that team so so much in practice.

PG: John Wall/Willie Kemp
SG: Darnell Dodson/Sallie/Nolan Dennis
SF: Xavier Henry/Mack/Spoon
PF: Taggart/Garcia
C: Cousins/Coleman/Niles

Right! Look at that roster. While Kemp, Sallie, Mack, Spoon, Garcia, Niles, etc...aren't stars, they had years in Cal's system. That experience, IMO, would have helped the progression of Cousins, Henry, Dodson, and Wall TONS. That team, at Memphis, cuts down the nets. At UK they just didn't have the experience of A.) The guys in the system and B.) the guys having been to the big dance stage.

...and that doesn't take into consideration Eric Bledsoe or Elliot Williams.

If Cal stays, I don't think Elliott Williams comes to Memphis.

He probably goes to Vandy.

The trickbag was the proximity of Nashville to Memphis and whether that would have been sufficient for an immediate transfer. Oxford might have been the destination if Vandy was nixed.

(12-27-2012 02:28 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 02:09 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  If Vaughn would have stayed healthy we might have done something.
They had just come off an Elite 8 run as freshmen. That was one heck of a good two man team until Vaughn went down.
I am not sure if Vaughn coming back would have made much difference, he was such a different player after he was hurt.

He was just very hesitant after the injury.

Not the same mentally at all.

Yep, that's why it is so amazing to see what Adrian Peterson is doing this season.

(12-27-2012 02:29 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 02:27 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 02:09 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  If Vaughn would have stayed healthy we might have done something.
They had just come off an Elite 8 run as freshmen. That was one heck of a good two man team until Vaughn went down.
I am not sure if Vaughn coming back would have made much difference, he was such a different player after he was hurt.

Vaughn averaged 13 and 10 his Jr. year. Not too shabby.

Still a very good player and very talented big at this level. he was 17 & 12 the year before that (without Ren) playing more minutes and returning from injury.


Not what he was going to be though after the injury.

Essentially, he averaged 15 and 11 over two seasons. How much more do you want from him?