Reality schmeality. What was Murray state seeded last year? They had a better resume than we can I bet

(12-26-2012 08:24 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 08:13 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 06:19 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 06:14 PM)oakland steve Wrote:  Same thread different year. Every year (including Cal's) we lose some early games and people swear we can do no better than a 12 seed. It is not as bad as some say and not as good as others say, its somewhere in the middle. Still a lot of ball to played.

It's different this year. CUSA has never been this bad and we've never had so few chances at marquee wins. UTK will be a solid win but it won't be a win that bumps us up to the 4-5 seed line.

Win out and you get at least a 3

Beat UTK and Xavier and slip up against 1 league game = 5-6

Lose to both UTK and Xavier and lose any in conference and we are looking at 9 and below.

Tourney folks have caught on to our schtick by now.

I hope we get to find out...

30-3 no bad losses and a 20 something game win streak coming in will be hard to stick with an 8 seed.

a 25-5 St. Marys team got a 7 seed with a 105 strength of Schedule, only quality win were 2 against Gonzaga...We will probably end up with a SOS in the 70s and have 4 more wins...And you say that is an 8...That is a 3. If we don't lay 2 eggs in conference last year we are at least a 4

(12-26-2012 08:13 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 06:19 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 06:14 PM)oakland steve Wrote:  Same thread different year. Every year (including Cal's) we lose some early games and people swear we can do no better than a 12 seed. It is not as bad as some say and not as good as others say, its somewhere in the middle. Still a lot of ball to played.

It's different this year. CUSA has never been this bad and we've never had so few chances at marquee wins. UTK will be a solid win but it won't be a win that bumps us up to the 4-5 seed line.

Win out and you get at least a 3

Beat UTK and Xavier and slip up against 1 league game = 5-6

Lose to both UTK and Xavier and lose any in conference and we are looking at 9 and below.

Win out 3 seed?

Bwahaahaa

(12-26-2012 10:41 PM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 10:35 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 08:24 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 08:13 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 06:19 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  It's different this year. CUSA has never been this bad and we've never had so few chances at marquee wins. UTK will be a solid win but it won't be a win that bumps us up to the 4-5 seed line.

Win out and you get at least a 3

Beat UTK and Xavier and slip up against 1 league game = 5-6

Lose to both UTK and Xavier and lose any in conference and we are looking at 9 and below.

Tourney folks have caught on to our schtick by now.

I hope we get to find out...

30-3 no bad losses and a 20 something game win streak coming in will be hard to stick with an 8 seed.

a 25-5 St. Marys team got a 7 seed with a 105 strength of Schedule...We will probably end up with a SOS in the 70s and have 4 more wins...And you say that is an 8...That is a 3

Lol. 30-3 are you serious? We're likely to lose both Xavier/UT, best case scenario is we split. Probably will lose 2-3 conference games as well. These are the same guys who've pretty much loss to at least every CUSA team since Pastner has been the coach. Nothing you can do. Hope we get hot at the end. That's about it. Playing Louisville close at home doesn't get me excited that we can win 20 in a row ha

(12-26-2012 06:14 PM)oakland steve Wrote:  Same thread different year. Every year (including Cal's) we lose some early games and people swear we can do no better than a 12 seed. It is not as bad as some say and not as good as others say, its somewhere in the middle. Still a lot of ball to played.

CUSA is gawd-awful this year. If we lose even 2 more games with this schedule an 8-10 seed is the best we'll get. Lose 3 or 4 more and DON'T win the CUSA tournament and we're a bubble team. We're not even a top 100 rpi team right now......

It is what it is.

Those Ivy League nerds are gonna put the smack down on us if we ain't careful.

(12-26-2012 10:38 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 08:13 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 06:19 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 06:14 PM)oakland steve Wrote:  Same thread different year. Every year (including Cal's) we lose some early games and people swear we can do no better than a 12 seed. It is not as bad as some say and not as good as others say, its somewhere in the middle. Still a lot of ball to played.

It's different this year. CUSA has never been this bad and we've never had so few chances at marquee wins. UTK will be a solid win but it won't be a win that bumps us up to the 4-5 seed line.

Win out and you get at least a 3

Beat UTK and Xavier and slip up against 1 league game = 5-6

Lose to both UTK and Xavier and lose any in conference and we are looking at 9 and below.

Win out 3 seed?

Bwahaahaa

Actually I think a 3 seed if we win out makes sense.

I just don't see us winning out. I think this team is good and likely conference champs, but not good/consistent enough to be 16-0 conf good....

(12-27-2012 12:32 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  Those Ivy League nerds are gonna put the smack down on us if we ain't careful.

tRueTh

(12-26-2012 08:39 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 07:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Hell, Memphis was close to that in a better CUSA and got an 8 seed last year.

26-8 with a #16 RPI and 12 top 100 RPI wins and we only get a #8 seed. Imagine if this year's team ends up 28-6 with a #40 RPI and only 4 top 100 RPI wins. That's a #10 seed if we are lucky.

In fairness, we got hosed last year. Completely hosed. That was a 5/6 seed team.

(12-26-2012 08:13 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 06:19 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 06:14 PM)oakland steve Wrote:  Same thread different year. Every year (including Cal's) we lose some early games and people swear we can do no better than a 12 seed. It is not as bad as some say and not as good as others say, its somewhere in the middle. Still a lot of ball to played.

It's different this year. CUSA has never been this bad and we've never had so few chances at marquee wins. UTK will be a solid win but it won't be a win that bumps us up to the 4-5 seed line.

Win out and you get at least a 3

Beat UTK and Xavier and slip up against 1 league game = 5-6

Lose to both UTK and Xavier and lose any in conference and we are looking at 9 and below.

I won a bet last year saying we'd get a 8. Wanna bet?

(12-27-2012 02:34 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 08:13 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 06:19 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 06:14 PM)oakland steve Wrote:  Same thread different year. Every year (including Cal's) we lose some early games and people swear we can do no better than a 12 seed. It is not as bad as some say and not as good as others say, its somewhere in the middle. Still a lot of ball to played.

It's different this year. CUSA has never been this bad and we've never had so few chances at marquee wins. UTK will be a solid win but it won't be a win that bumps us up to the 4-5 seed line.

Win out and you get at least a 3

Beat UTK and Xavier and slip up against 1 league game = 5-6

Lose to both UTK and Xavier and lose any in conference and we are looking at 9 and below.

I won a bet last year saying we'd get a 8. Wanna bet?

So you want to bet if we win out that we will get an 8...I would love to take that bet. But 30-3 is very unlikely.

(12-27-2012 09:59 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 02:34 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 08:13 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 06:19 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 06:14 PM)oakland steve Wrote:  Same thread different year. Every year (including Cal's) we lose some early games and people swear we can do no better than a 12 seed. It is not as bad as some say and not as good as others say, its somewhere in the middle. Still a lot of ball to played.

It's different this year. CUSA has never been this bad and we've never had so few chances at marquee wins. UTK will be a solid win but it won't be a win that bumps us up to the 4-5 seed line.

Win out and you get at least a 3

Beat UTK and Xavier and slip up against 1 league game = 5-6

Lose to both UTK and Xavier and lose any in conference and we are looking at 9 and below.

I won a bet last year saying we'd get a 8. Wanna bet?

So you want to bet if we win out that we will get an 8...I would love to take that bet. But 30-3 is very unlikely.

Not that exact bet. But something similar we can figure it out.

(12-27-2012 01:58 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 08:39 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 07:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Hell, Memphis was close to that in a better CUSA and got an 8 seed last year.

26-8 with a #16 RPI and 12 top 100 RPI wins and we only get a #8 seed. Imagine if this year's team ends up 28-6 with a #40 RPI and only 4 top 100 RPI wins. That's a #10 seed if we are lucky.

In fairness, we got hosed last year. Completely hosed. That was a 5/6 seed team.

That's the issue. Our reality vs. selection cmte reality.

(12-28-2012 02:21 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 01:58 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 08:39 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 07:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Hell, Memphis was close to that in a better CUSA and got an 8 seed last year.

26-8 with a #16 RPI and 12 top 100 RPI wins and we only get a #8 seed. Imagine if this year's team ends up 28-6 with a #40 RPI and only 4 top 100 RPI wins. That's a #10 seed if we are lucky.

In fairness, we got hosed last year. Completely hosed. That was a 5/6 seed team.

That's the issue. Our reality vs. selection cmte reality.

Define "our." Georgetown, Michigan, Louisville, and Murray State were seeded 3 to 6. They all beat us. St. Louis was a 9. They beat us. Southern Miss was also a 9. They beat us by 3; we beat them by 2. Belmont was a 14. We beat them. We were an 8, but we should've been a 5 or a 6? Yeah . . . no.

There's a flip side to all this. Few teams stand to benefit as much from early season wins as Memphis has over the last several years. When we excel in pre-season tournaments, we've landed high seeds.

Unfortunately, we've laid eggs the last couple of years (and how many times have we stunk up Maui?) We're probably going to pay for it again this year. and it's disappointing because this was supposed to be an experienced squad.

(12-28-2012 03:12 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(12-28-2012 02:21 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 01:58 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 08:39 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 07:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Hell, Memphis was close to that in a better CUSA and got an 8 seed last year.

26-8 with a #16 RPI and 12 top 100 RPI wins and we only get a #8 seed. Imagine if this year's team ends up 28-6 with a #40 RPI and only 4 top 100 RPI wins. That's a #10 seed if we are lucky.

In fairness, we got hosed last year. Completely hosed. That was a 5/6 seed team.

That's the issue. Our reality vs. selection cmte reality.

Define "our." Georgetown, Michigan, Louisville, and Murray State were seeded 3 to 6. They all beat us. St. Louis was a 9. They beat us. Southern Miss was also a 9. They beat us by 3; we beat them by 2. Belmont was a 14. We beat them. We were an 8, but we should've been a 5 or a 6? Yeah . . . no.

Oh, just noting that most TIGER fans believed Memphis would be in the 4-6 seed range based on a late season surge. The selection committee did not see it that way.

So, those who think a late run will enable Memphis to jockey for a 3/4/5 seed are not looking to the immediate past for guidance and are swayed by their partiality to Memphis.

(12-28-2012 03:37 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  There's a flip side to all this. Few teams stand to benefit as much from early season wins as Memphis has over the last several years. When we excel in pre-season tournaments, we've landed high seeds.

Unfortunately, we've laid eggs the last couple of years (and how many times have we stunk up Maui?) We're probably going to pay for it again this year. and it's disappointing because this was supposed to be an experienced squad.

It was because Memphis had to schedule high profile or projected Top 25 teams early in the season since CUSA wasn't going to help the Tigers' seeding in the NCAA Tournament. You beat the high ranked teams, your chances are better in getting a high seed.

(12-28-2012 03:41 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-28-2012 03:12 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(12-28-2012 02:21 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 01:58 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 08:39 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  26-8 with a #16 RPI and 12 top 100 RPI wins and we only get a #8 seed. Imagine if this year's team ends up 28-6 with a #40 RPI and only 4 top 100 RPI wins. That's a #10 seed if we are lucky.

In fairness, we got hosed last year. Completely hosed. That was a 5/6 seed team.

That's the issue. Our reality vs. selection cmte reality.

Define "our." Georgetown, Michigan, Louisville, and Murray State were seeded 3 to 6. They all beat us. St. Louis was a 9. They beat us. Southern Miss was also a 9. They beat us by 3; we beat them by 2. Belmont was a 14. We beat them. We were an 8, but we should've been a 5 or a 6? Yeah . . . no.

Oh, just noting that most TIGER fans believed Memphis would be in the 4-6 seed range based on a late season surge. The selection committee did not see it that way.

So, those who think a late run will enable Memphis to jockey for a 3/4/5 seed are not looking to the immediate past for guidance and are swayed by their partiality to Memphis.

Don't lose the late games and a "late season surge" is believable. Lose at home to UTEP it still seen that you are not a completely improved team.

(12-28-2012 03:45 PM)OneShiningMoment Wrote:  

(12-28-2012 03:37 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  There's a flip side to all this. Few teams stand to benefit as much from early season wins as Memphis has over the last several years. When we excel in pre-season tournaments, we've landed high seeds.

Unfortunately, we've laid eggs the last couple of years (and how many times have we stunk up Maui?) We're probably going to pay for it again this year. and it's disappointing because this was supposed to be an experienced squad.

It was because Memphis had to schedule high profile or projected Top 25 teams early in the season since CUSA wasn't going to help the Tigers' seeding in the NCAA Tournament. You beat the high ranked teams, your chances are better in getting a high seed.

We got a two seed Tyrekes year stinking it up early...But that was with a 20+ game winning streak and coming off a run to the finals

(12-28-2012 04:42 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-28-2012 03:45 PM)OneShiningMoment Wrote:  

(12-28-2012 03:37 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  There's a flip side to all this. Few teams stand to benefit as much from early season wins as Memphis has over the last several years. When we excel in pre-season tournaments, we've landed high seeds.

Unfortunately, we've laid eggs the last couple of years (and how many times have we stunk up Maui?) We're probably going to pay for it again this year. and it's disappointing because this was supposed to be an experienced squad.

It was because Memphis had to schedule high profile or projected Top 25 teams early in the season since CUSA wasn't going to help the Tigers' seeding in the NCAA Tournament. You beat the high ranked teams, your chances are better in getting a high seed.

We got a two seed Tyrekes year stinking it up early...But that was with a 20+ game winning streak and coming off a run to the finals

If "stinking it up" refers to the games before Calipari put 'Reke at the point, I'm pretty sure we were 7-3 just like we are now, except with two losses to ranked teams (one of those in OT.) After that, we didn't lose another game the whole year (unless you count the one the coach threw.) If we do that again, I think most people will forgive stinking it up early just like we did then.