(12-26-2012 09:41 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 01:03 AM)Pelican Power Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 12:18 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(12-23-2012 12:11 PM)k5james Wrote:  The Nola Bowl was a really fun bowl for us too, other than that effing kicker.

The ULL fans represented last year as well. I don't see how their home attendance isn't better.

Louisiana has hosted Alabama, Texas A&M, Kansas State, OK State, Minnesota, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, ECU, USM, UCF, and just about every non-AQ team in the country. We have wins against just about every non-AQ school plus Texas A&M and Kansas State. We averaged well over 30,000 in those games. Averaged almost 30,000 last year and had the #1 increase in attendance in the country. This year, we played our 2 opening games in monsoon like weather and a Tuesday night ESPN game, so attendance was down. Also, our fans don't get too excited over SBC games. The N. O. bowl over the last 2 games showed what our potential is. We are rolling out a Master Plan for athletics shortly that will increase our stadium capacity to over 50,000. BTW, in spring sports, UL baseball has been to the CWS and is in the top 20 in the country in attendance and top 10 in atmosphere. UL softball has been to the WCWS 6 times and is a perennial top 20 team. UL basketball is on the rebound and plays in a beautiful 12,500 seat Cajundome. Master Plan also includes new weight room, meeting rooms, suites (already sold), offices, etc., major renovations to baseball stadium to increase seating to over 10,000 and renovations to T&F facility. Just built a new softball facility (top 20 in the country) and we are among a handful of BCS schools in the South with an Indoor Practice Facility. Create a Southern Division of the Big East to include Houston, Tulane, Louisiana, USM, Memphis, UCF and USF.

Louisiana did not host anything. ULL hosted Alabama, Texas A&M,....silly for the UL Lafayette folks to think they are the Univ of Louisiana when you are not officially or unofficially.....but they insist on playing this name game. Did you EVER hear the announcers use the term "Louisiana".......NO! Did the ESPN television list the Cajuns as "Louisiana"....NO! Quit the game. I swear I cheer for the Cajuns nearly every time, but when I hear that Louisiana propaganda stuff, I get turned off.

Perhaps the only thing Tulane and LSU fans agree on is that UL-L is NOT the "University of Louisiana". For those not from the bayou the official name of UL-L has been a subject of political controversy in that state.

If I recall, the USL (its former name) Administration formally changed its name to The University of Louisana and was ready to roll it out and rebrand itself. THEN, LSU realized what was happening and went to the State powers that be and they were told that they could not use the name without the -Lafayette behind it and put them and UL-Monroe (who had been NE Louisiana) under the same board. So once again in Lousiana LSU and politics reared its ugly head. As of Tulane....no one, even in New Orleans, pays any attention to them regardless of what they say.

(12-23-2012 11:26 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  I think ECU fans would have traveled better for bowl game they cared about. Our Liberty Bowl travel is good. So was our travel for the Military Bowl( granted this was a lot closer). It would have been interesting to see what the difference would have been if we played a school that fans wanted to see.

I hate this lame garbage. ULL being the opponent had nothing to do with why I didn't go, and saying this garbage makes our entire fan base look fair-weather and pathetic. I didn't go because of the date and the cost, and my guess is that's the reason the vast majority didn't go.

So does Tulane not own the name University of Louisiana? Wasn't that the original name of Tulane and then it because Tulane University of Louisiana? Someone please explain Tulane's history of awesomeness for me.

(12-26-2012 09:41 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 01:03 AM)Pelican Power Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 12:18 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(12-23-2012 12:11 PM)k5james Wrote:  The Nola Bowl was a really fun bowl for us too, other than that effing kicker.

The ULL fans represented last year as well. I don't see how their home attendance isn't better.

Louisiana has hosted Alabama, Texas A&M, Kansas State, OK State, Minnesota, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, ECU, USM, UCF, and just about every non-AQ team in the country. We have wins against just about every non-AQ school plus Texas A&M and Kansas State. We averaged well over 30,000 in those games. Averaged almost 30,000 last year and had the #1 increase in attendance in the country. This year, we played our 2 opening games in monsoon like weather and a Tuesday night ESPN game, so attendance was down. Also, our fans don't get too excited over SBC games. The N. O. bowl over the last 2 games showed what our potential is. We are rolling out a Master Plan for athletics shortly that will increase our stadium capacity to over 50,000. BTW, in spring sports, UL baseball has been to the CWS and is in the top 20 in the country in attendance and top 10 in atmosphere. UL softball has been to the WCWS 6 times and is a perennial top 20 team. UL basketball is on the rebound and plays in a beautiful 12,500 seat Cajundome. Master Plan also includes new weight room, meeting rooms, suites (already sold), offices, etc., major renovations to baseball stadium to increase seating to over 10,000 and renovations to T&F facility. Just built a new softball facility (top 20 in the country) and we are among a handful of BCS schools in the South with an Indoor Practice Facility. Create a Southern Division of the Big East to include Houston, Tulane, Louisiana, USM, Memphis, UCF and USF.

Louisiana did not host anything. ULL hosted Alabama, Texas A&M,....silly for the UL Lafayette folks to think they are the Univ of Louisiana when you are not officially or unofficially.....but they insist on playing this name game. Did you EVER hear the announcers use the term "Louisiana".......NO! Did the ESPN television list the Cajuns as "Louisiana"....NO! Quit the game. I swear I cheer for the Cajuns nearly every time, but when I hear that Louisiana propaganda stuff, I get turned off.

Perhaps the only thing Tulane and LSU fans agree on is that UL-L is NOT the "University of Louisiana". For those not from the bayou the official name of UL-L has been a subject of political controversy in that state.

Everyone can clearly see the pettiness in all of this by other schools in Louisiana. Like most schools that have the city tag in their official name, we chose to brand ourselves ATHLETICALLY as simply LOUISIANA. So, like Nevada Reno is Nevada or Nebraska Lincoln is Nebraska or Cal Berkeley is Cal or Texas Austin is Texas, Louisiana Lafayette is Louisiana. And, as other schools have done like Cal at Los Angeles is UCLA or Texas El Paso is UTEP or Nevada Las Vegas is UNLV, Louisiana Monroe has branded itself as ULM. So, there is no name conflict. It doesn't matter if a school is the flagship or not. LOUISIANA is perfectly legal and it is slowly taking root. You will see our university getting more aggressive in our branding campaign. Why other schools are so concerned about that is perplexing. It has no impact on a school like Tulane. But, some people seem to have a need to direct a personal campaign against it. I don't want to turn this into a name thread. Just had to clear up any misconceptions created by this Tulane guy. It will take care of itself in time. I see from other comments that most of you "get it". BTW, if we had to call every university by its legal name, we would all be surprised at what we find, i.e. Cal State Fresno chose to brand itself as Fresno State. No one calls them CSF. A school typically goes by its official name academically and an abbreviated name athletically, which we are doing.

As an observer from outside Louisiana, if you asked 100 college football fans in Ohio & Kentucky what school you were referring to when you say "Louisiana", 99 will respond with some variation of "you mean Louisiana State?" or "LSU". Lousiana-Lafayette may be hoping they can become Louisiana but that will be a long hard road nationally at least.

(12-26-2012 11:18 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 09:41 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 01:03 AM)Pelican Power Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 12:18 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(12-23-2012 12:11 PM)k5james Wrote:  The Nola Bowl was a really fun bowl for us too, other than that effing kicker.

The ULL fans represented last year as well. I don't see how their home attendance isn't better.

Louisiana has hosted Alabama, Texas A&M, Kansas State, OK State, Minnesota, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, ECU, USM, UCF, and just about every non-AQ team in the country. We have wins against just about every non-AQ school plus Texas A&M and Kansas State. We averaged well over 30,000 in those games. Averaged almost 30,000 last year and had the #1 increase in attendance in the country. This year, we played our 2 opening games in monsoon like weather and a Tuesday night ESPN game, so attendance was down. Also, our fans don't get too excited over SBC games. The N. O. bowl over the last 2 games showed what our potential is. We are rolling out a Master Plan for athletics shortly that will increase our stadium capacity to over 50,000. BTW, in spring sports, UL baseball has been to the CWS and is in the top 20 in the country in attendance and top 10 in atmosphere. UL softball has been to the WCWS 6 times and is a perennial top 20 team. UL basketball is on the rebound and plays in a beautiful 12,500 seat Cajundome. Master Plan also includes new weight room, meeting rooms, suites (already sold), offices, etc., major renovations to baseball stadium to increase seating to over 10,000 and renovations to T&F facility. Just built a new softball facility (top 20 in the country) and we are among a handful of BCS schools in the South with an Indoor Practice Facility. Create a Southern Division of the Big East to include Houston, Tulane, Louisiana, USM, Memphis, UCF and USF.

Louisiana did not host anything. ULL hosted Alabama, Texas A&M,....silly for the UL Lafayette folks to think they are the Univ of Louisiana when you are not officially or unofficially.....but they insist on playing this name game. Did you EVER hear the announcers use the term "Louisiana".......NO! Did the ESPN television list the Cajuns as "Louisiana"....NO! Quit the game. I swear I cheer for the Cajuns nearly every time, but when I hear that Louisiana propaganda stuff, I get turned off.

Perhaps the only thing Tulane and LSU fans agree on is that UL-L is NOT the "University of Louisiana". For those not from the bayou the official name of UL-L has been a subject of political controversy in that state.

Everyone can clearly see the pettiness in all of this by other schools in Louisiana. Like most schools that have the city tag in their official name, we chose to brand ourselves ATHLETICALLY as simply LOUISIANA. So, like Nevada Reno is Nevada or Nebraska Lincoln is Nebraska or Cal Berkeley is Cal or Texas Austin is Texas, Louisiana Lafayette is Louisiana. And, as other schools have done like Cal at Los Angeles is UCLA or Texas El Paso is UTEP or Nevada Las Vegas is UNLV, Louisiana Monroe has branded itself as ULM. So, there is no name conflict. It doesn't matter if a school is the flagship or not. LOUISIANA is perfectly legal and it is slowly taking root. You will see our university getting more aggressive in our branding campaign. Why other schools are so concerned about that is perplexing.

It most certainly does matter whether you are the flagship or not. The reason Cal-Berkley can call themselves just "Cal" whereas Cal-Los Angeles is "UCLA" is because Cal is the official flagship university of the state of California. UL-L is of course not the flagship of Louisiana, LSU is.

As for why other schools are so concerned, you are not doing a good job of feigning ignorance, as the answer is obvious: Calling yourself "Louisiana" creates the impression that your school is the flagship of the state, much like "Florida", "Michigan", "Georgia", etc. are the flagships of their states.

It is precisely to create that FALSE impression that UL-L has chosen to market themselves as "Louisiana".

The Ragin' Cajuns have won the website battle of this naming war. Their website address is...

http://www.louisiana.edu

ULL should be C-USA material if they can get that branding.

(12-26-2012 04:44 PM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 11:18 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 09:41 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 01:03 AM)Pelican Power Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 12:18 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  Louisiana has hosted Alabama, Texas A&M, Kansas State, OK State, Minnesota, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, ECU, USM, UCF, and just about every non-AQ team in the country. We have wins against just about every non-AQ school plus Texas A&M and Kansas State. We averaged well over 30,000 in those games. Averaged almost 30,000 last year and had the #1 increase in attendance in the country. This year, we played our 2 opening games in monsoon like weather and a Tuesday night ESPN game, so attendance was down. Also, our fans don't get too excited over SBC games. The N. O. bowl over the last 2 games showed what our potential is. We are rolling out a Master Plan for athletics shortly that will increase our stadium capacity to over 50,000. BTW, in spring sports, UL baseball has been to the CWS and is in the top 20 in the country in attendance and top 10 in atmosphere. UL softball has been to the WCWS 6 times and is a perennial top 20 team. UL basketball is on the rebound and plays in a beautiful 12,500 seat Cajundome. Master Plan also includes new weight room, meeting rooms, suites (already sold), offices, etc., major renovations to baseball stadium to increase seating to over 10,000 and renovations to T&F facility. Just built a new softball facility (top 20 in the country) and we are among a handful of BCS schools in the South with an Indoor Practice Facility. Create a Southern Division of the Big East to include Houston, Tulane, Louisiana, USM, Memphis, UCF and USF.

Louisiana did not host anything. ULL hosted Alabama, Texas A&M,....silly for the UL Lafayette folks to think they are the Univ of Louisiana when you are not officially or unofficially.....but they insist on playing this name game. Did you EVER hear the announcers use the term "Louisiana".......NO! Did the ESPN television list the Cajuns as "Louisiana"....NO! Quit the game. I swear I cheer for the Cajuns nearly every time, but when I hear that Louisiana propaganda stuff, I get turned off.

Perhaps the only thing Tulane and LSU fans agree on is that UL-L is NOT the "University of Louisiana". For those not from the bayou the official name of UL-L has been a subject of political controversy in that state.

Everyone can clearly see the pettiness in all of this by other schools in Louisiana. Like most schools that have the city tag in their official name, we chose to brand ourselves ATHLETICALLY as simply LOUISIANA. So, like Nevada Reno is Nevada or Nebraska Lincoln is Nebraska or Cal Berkeley is Cal or Texas Austin is Texas, Louisiana Lafayette is Louisiana. And, as other schools have done like Cal at Los Angeles is UCLA or Texas El Paso is UTEP or Nevada Las Vegas is UNLV, Louisiana Monroe has branded itself as ULM. So, there is no name conflict. It doesn't matter if a school is the flagship or not. LOUISIANA is perfectly legal and it is slowly taking root. You will see our university getting more aggressive in our branding campaign. Why other schools are so concerned about that is perplexing.

It most certainly does matter whether you are the flagship or not. The reason Cal-Berkley can call themselves just "Cal" whereas Cal-Los Angeles is "UCLA" is because Cal is the official flagship university of the state of California. UL-L is of course not the flagship of Louisiana, LSU is.

As for why other schools are so concerned, you are not doing a good job of feigning ignorance, as the answer is obvious: Calling yourself "Louisiana" creates the impression that your school is the flagship of the state, much like "Florida", "Michigan", "Georgia", etc. are the flagships of their states.

It is precisely to create that FALSE impression that UL-L has chosen to market themselves as "Louisiana".

Why does someone from Texas care what we call ourselves? I remember Texas A&M calling themselves the Texas Aggies and no one from UT batted an eye. Ohio is not the flagship of that state yet is called Ohio. We were legally granted the name University of Louisiana and had a graduating class under that name. We achieved that name the exact same way LSUNO changed to the University of New Orleans and Louisiana Polytecnic Institute became Louisiana Tech University. LSU decided it wanted to change name approval from the governing board to the legislature despite what other school name change precedents occurred and they aren't even in our System. But, they have the political clout to fight it, which they did. This went to the LA Supreme Court and we lost by 1 political vote. We may have been forced to put "at Lafayette" behind our name, but we are not legally bound to use it if we call ourselves LOUISIANA. We do not call ourselves the University of Louisiana, just Louisiana. infer from that what ypu wish. And, BTW, NO ONE outside of the university has any legal obligation to add Lafayette to our name. In fact, Louisiana Lafayette is NOT even our legal name, it is the University of Louisiana at Lafayette which our school always uses in anything academic. We are branding ourselves athletically as the Louisiana Ragin Cajuns. CBS calls us Louisiana. Just about every team on our schedule calls us Louisiana. All of our athletic press releases and game information says Louisiana. ESPN calls us Louisiana when our coach is on a show. But at game time, they call us Louisiana Lafayette despite our requests. When we move to a new conference and away from ULM, we will be called Louisiana and it will take care of itself with ESPN. Until then, our plight continues. Our entire Cajun Nation fan base is united on this. We will succeed despite protests from people like you.

(12-26-2012 12:30 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  As an observer from outside Louisiana, if you asked 100 college football fans in Ohio & Kentucky what school you were referring to when you say "Louisiana", 99 will respond with some variation of "you mean Louisiana State?" or "LSU". Lousiana-Lafayette may be hoping they can become Louisiana but that will be a long hard road nationally at least.

I agree in part with you. We are not yet a household name as Louisiana, but we are as Ragin Cajuns. Every state has multiple universities without identity issues. Texas has Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and now Texas State (formerly Southwest Texas State). Ohio has Ohio State, Ohio, and Miami Ohio. Louisiana has Louisiana State, Louisiana Tech and now Louisiana. Louisiana Ragin Cajuns is making a name for itself. Our 2 recent bowl games, our wins over newly admitted Big East schools in SDSU and ECU, and our extraordinary 40,000+ fan base at those games does help. There is absolutely no reason for any of our three schools to be confused. No one will confuse LSU with LA Tech or Louisiana.

Nevada Reno and Nevada Las Vegas both existed that way for a number of years. At some point, Nevada Las Vegas became nationally know as UNLV and Nevada became successful in dropping Reno even though that is their official name. Now they are universally accepted as Nevada. It took a while, but they did it. I view our situation similarly.

You are a Louisville fan. Your school goes by U of L as your name indicates. If we are referred to as UL, we will be the only two major universities with those letters. Compare that to other letter schools like UT - Texas or Tennessee (and both orange and white), or UM (Michigan, Miami, Minnesota, Missouri, or Montana), OSU (Ohio State, Oregon State or OK State). No confusing any of those teams despite their similar letters. Louisiana and Louisville can easily co-exist. U of L vs UL. Cardinals vs Ragin Cajuns.

ULL's fan base is like anyone else's. They win and they show up. ULL was getting 6K 2 years ago. They have supported this regime significantly and deserve kudos for the big bowl crowds. They have little money. That should change if they keep up the winning. Hopefully they turn the bowl support and keep up the winning and turn it into dollars.

(12-26-2012 07:37 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 12:30 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  As an observer from outside Louisiana, if you asked 100 college football fans in Ohio & Kentucky what school you were referring to when you say "Louisiana", 99 will respond with some variation of "you mean Louisiana State?" or "LSU". Lousiana-Lafayette may be hoping they can become Louisiana but that will be a long hard road nationally at least.

I agree in part with you. We are not yet a household name as Louisiana, but we are as Ragin Cajuns. Every state has multiple universities without identity issues. Texas has Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and now Texas State (formerly Southwest Texas State). Ohio has Ohio State, Ohio, and Miami Ohio. Louisiana has Louisiana State, Louisiana Tech and now Louisiana. Louisiana Ragin Cajuns is making a name for itself.

Let me be very clear, the ULL is NOT LOUISIANA....it is a name game within the school's marketing department. UL Lafayette is not legally in any way "Louisiana"...where do the Lafayette folks have the right to call themselves "Louisiana" over Louisiana-Monroe? They do not...what happens when Monroe wants to do the same thing?....silly. Your name is UL-Lafayette....period. I know you are trying to change your name (I would have to guess you are embarassed by your name for some silly reason), but Tulanians and LSU (and UL-Monroe) folks will never allow or accept ULL's right to the "Louisiana" name.....for one reason...Lafayette doesn't own the name! I do agree Rajun Cajuns is making a name and a great name I must say.... and I wish you and your Cajuns the very best (again, congrats on your great bowl win).

For you history folks wanting to understand "The University of Louisiana"; the school existed at one time under this exact name. When Paul Tulane donated land and dollars to the cash-strapped University of Louisiana, the Louisiana legislature allowed the school to convert from state sponsored to private, a name change to "[b]Tulane University of Louisiana" [/b]along with a commitment to a set amount of scholarships. A bit of trivia: Tulane is the only university in the country which was originally public to evolve as a private institution.

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If I recall, the USL (its former name) Administration formally changed its name to The University of Louisana and was ready to roll it out and rebrand itself. THEN, LSU AND TULANE realized what was happening and went to the State powers that be and they were told that they could not use the name without the -Lafayette behind it and put them and UL-Monroe (who had been NE Louisiana) under the same board. So once again in Lousiana LSU and politics reared its ugly head. As of Tulane....no one, even in New Orleans, pays any attention to them regardless of what they say.

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Really, you have come to the point to commenting about Tulane like this? I realize the TU athletic team's do not get the daily headlines (competing with the successful Saints and Lsu programs), but Tulane as a school, its academics and its ecomonic impact to NOLA bring great "attention". Ask the New Orleans City Council if they wish to "pay attention" to Tulane...
Note: TULANE IS THE LARGEST PRIVATE EMPLOYER IN ORLEANS PARISH!

(12-26-2012 11:00 AM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 09:41 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 01:03 AM)Pelican Power Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 12:18 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(12-23-2012 12:11 PM)k5james Wrote:  The Nola Bowl was a really fun bowl for us too, other than that effing kicker.

The ULL fans represented last year as well. I don't see how their home attendance isn't better.

Louisiana has hosted Alabama, Texas A&M, Kansas State, OK State, Minnesota, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, ECU, USM, UCF, and just about every non-AQ team in the country. We have wins against just about every non-AQ school plus Texas A&M and Kansas State. We averaged well over 30,000 in those games. Averaged almost 30,000 last year and had the #1 increase in attendance in the country. This year, we played our 2 opening games in monsoon like weather and a Tuesday night ESPN game, so attendance was down. Also, our fans don't get too excited over SBC games. The N. O. bowl over the last 2 games showed what our potential is. We are rolling out a Master Plan for athletics shortly that will increase our stadium capacity to over 50,000. BTW, in spring sports, UL baseball has been to the CWS and is in the top 20 in the country in attendance and top 10 in atmosphere. UL softball has been to the WCWS 6 times and is a perennial top 20 team. UL basketball is on the rebound and plays in a beautiful 12,500 seat Cajundome. Master Plan also includes new weight room, meeting rooms, suites (already sold), offices, etc., major renovations to baseball stadium to increase seating to over 10,000 and renovations to T&F facility. Just built a new softball facility (top 20 in the country) and we are among a handful of BCS schools in the South with an Indoor Practice Facility. Create a Southern Division of the Big East to include Houston, Tulane, Louisiana, USM, Memphis, UCF and USF.

Louisiana did not host anything. ULL hosted Alabama, Texas A&M,....silly for the UL Lafayette folks to think they are the Univ of Louisiana when you are not officially or unofficially.....but they insist on playing this name game. Did you EVER hear the announcers use the term "Louisiana".......NO! Did the ESPN television list the Cajuns as "Louisiana"....NO! Quit the game. I swear I cheer for the Cajuns nearly every time, but when I hear that Louisiana propaganda stuff, I get turned off.

Perhaps the only thing Tulane and LSU fans agree on is that UL-L is NOT the "University of Louisiana". For those not from the bayou the official name of UL-L has been a subject of political controversy in that state.

If I recall, the USL (its former name) Administration formally changed its name to The University of Louisana and was ready to roll it out and rebrand itself. THEN, LSU realized what was happening and went to the State powers that be and they were told that they could not use the name without the -Lafayette behind it and put them and UL-Monroe (who had been NE Louisiana) under the same board. So once again in Lousiana LSU and politics reared its ugly head. As of Tulane....no one, even in New Orleans, pays any attention to them regardless of what they say.

Fairly accurate statement -- If I could make a correction or two -- when legislation was passed to allow "U of L" the two main provisions were 1) the school would have to refer themselves as UL-x and 2) no school could change unless at least two schools decided to change names. For several years no other school in the UL system wanted to change its name, preventing USL from changing , but around 2000, NLU agreed to change at the same time it was invited into the Sunbelt.




ULL can call itself UL all it wants but it is not. And, more importantly, it is in no way a state flagship university.  It's funding is based on the same formula as ULM, Tech, grambling, Northwestern, McNeese, Nicholls, Southeastern, and New Orleans

(12-26-2012 11:48 PM)Pelican Power Wrote:  Quote:
If I recall, the USL (its former name) Administration formally changed its name to The University of Louisana and was ready to roll it out and rebrand itself. THEN, LSU AND TULANE realized what was happening and went to the State powers that be and they were told that they could not use the name without the -Lafayette behind it and put them and UL-Monroe (who had been NE Louisiana) under the same board. So once again in Lousiana LSU and politics reared its ugly head. As of Tulane....no one, even in New Orleans, pays any attention to them regardless of what they say.

Response:
Really, you have come to the point to commenting about Tulane like this? I realize the TU athletic team's do not get the daily headlines (competing with the successful Saints and Lsu programs), but Tulane as a school, its academics and its ecomonic impact to NOLA bring great "attention". Ask the New Orleans City Council if they wish to "pay attention" to Tulane...
Note: TULANE IS THE LARGEST PRIVATE EMPLOYER IN ORLEANS PARISH!

Last time I checked this was a sports message board not an economic development site.

This is a fun thread

(12-26-2012 06:47 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 04:44 PM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 11:18 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 09:41 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 01:03 AM)Pelican Power Wrote:  Louisiana did not host anything. ULL hosted Alabama, Texas A&M,....silly for the UL Lafayette folks to think they are the Univ of Louisiana when you are not officially or unofficially.....but they insist on playing this name game. Did you EVER hear the announcers use the term "Louisiana".......NO! Did the ESPN television list the Cajuns as "Louisiana"....NO! Quit the game. I swear I cheer for the Cajuns nearly every time, but when I hear that Louisiana propaganda stuff, I get turned off.

Perhaps the only thing Tulane and LSU fans agree on is that UL-L is NOT the "University of Louisiana". For those not from the bayou the official name of UL-L has been a subject of political controversy in that state.

Everyone can clearly see the pettiness in all of this by other schools in Louisiana. Like most schools that have the city tag in their official name, we chose to brand ourselves ATHLETICALLY as simply LOUISIANA. So, like Nevada Reno is Nevada or Nebraska Lincoln is Nebraska or Cal Berkeley is Cal or Texas Austin is Texas, Louisiana Lafayette is Louisiana. And, as other schools have done like Cal at Los Angeles is UCLA or Texas El Paso is UTEP or Nevada Las Vegas is UNLV, Louisiana Monroe has branded itself as ULM. So, there is no name conflict. It doesn't matter if a school is the flagship or not. LOUISIANA is perfectly legal and it is slowly taking root. You will see our university getting more aggressive in our branding campaign. Why other schools are so concerned about that is perplexing.

It most certainly does matter whether you are the flagship or not. The reason Cal-Berkley can call themselves just "Cal" whereas Cal-Los Angeles is "UCLA" is because Cal is the official flagship university of the state of California. UL-L is of course not the flagship of Louisiana, LSU is.

As for why other schools are so concerned, you are not doing a good job of feigning ignorance, as the answer is obvious: Calling yourself "Louisiana" creates the impression that your school is the flagship of the state, much like "Florida", "Michigan", "Georgia", etc. are the flagships of their states.

It is precisely to create that FALSE impression that UL-L has chosen to market themselves as "Louisiana".

Why does someone from Texas care what we call ourselves? I remember Texas A&M calling themselves the Texas Aggies and no one from UT batted an eye. Ohio is not the flagship of that state yet is called Ohio. We were legally granted the name University of Louisiana and had a graduating class under that name. We achieved that name the exact same way LSUNO changed to the University of New Orleans and Louisiana Polytecnic Institute became Louisiana Tech University. LSU decided it wanted to change name approval from the governing board to the legislature despite what other school name change precedents occurred and they aren't even in our System. But, they have the political clout to fight it, which they did. This went to the LA Supreme Court and we lost by 1 political vote. We may have been forced to put "at Lafayette" behind our name, but we are not legally bound to use it if we call ourselves LOUISIANA. We do not call ourselves the University of Louisiana, just Louisiana. infer from that what you wish.

What i infer from it is that UL-L is trying to call itself Louisiana in order to create the false impression that it is a flagship institution.

(12-26-2012 07:37 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 12:30 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  As an observer from outside Louisiana, if you asked 100 college football fans in Ohio & Kentucky what school you were referring to when you say "Louisiana", 99 will respond with some variation of "you mean Louisiana State?" or "LSU". Lousiana-Lafayette may be hoping they can become Louisiana but that will be a long hard road nationally at least.

I agree in part with you. We are not yet a household name as Louisiana, but we are as Ragin Cajuns. Every state has multiple universities without identity issues. Texas has Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and now Texas State (formerly Southwest Texas State). Ohio has Ohio State, Ohio, and Miami Ohio. Louisiana has Louisiana State, Louisiana Tech and now Louisiana. Louisiana Ragin Cajuns is making a name for itself. Our 2 recent bowl games, our wins over newly admitted Big East schools in SDSU and ECU, and our extraordinary 40,000+ fan base at those games does help. There is absolutely no reason for any of our three schools to be confused. No one will confuse LSU with LA Tech or Louisiana.

Nevada Reno and Nevada Las Vegas both existed that way for a number of years. At some point, Nevada Las Vegas became nationally know as UNLV and Nevada became successful in dropping Reno even though that is their official name. Now they are universally accepted as Nevada. It took a while, but they did it. I view our situation similarly.

You are a Louisville fan. Your school goes by U of L as your name indicates. If we are referred to as UL, we will be the only two major universities with those letters. Compare that to other letter schools like UT - Texas or Tennessee (and both orange and white), or UM (Michigan, Miami, Minnesota, Missouri, or Montana), OSU (Ohio State, Oregon State or OK State). No confusing any of those teams despite their similar letters. Louisiana and Louisville can easily co-exist. U of L vs UL. Cardinals vs Ragin Cajuns.

What would UL stand for? Didn't you say in the previous post that you do not call yourself the University of Louisiana so surely you would not want anyone to refer to you by initials that imply that, right?

(12-27-2012 12:51 AM)BC Wave Wrote:  

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(12-26-2012 12:18 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  Louisiana has hosted Alabama, Texas A&M, Kansas State, OK State, Minnesota, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, ECU, USM, UCF, and just about every non-AQ team in the country. We have wins against just about every non-AQ school plus Texas A&M and Kansas State. We averaged well over 30,000 in those games. Averaged almost 30,000 last year and had the #1 increase in attendance in the country. This year, we played our 2 opening games in monsoon like weather and a Tuesday night ESPN game, so attendance was down. Also, our fans don't get too excited over SBC games. The N. O. bowl over the last 2 games showed what our potential is. We are rolling out a Master Plan for athletics shortly that will increase our stadium capacity to over 50,000. BTW, in spring sports, UL baseball has been to the CWS and is in the top 20 in the country in attendance and top 10 in atmosphere. UL softball has been to the WCWS 6 times and is a perennial top 20 team. UL basketball is on the rebound and plays in a beautiful 12,500 seat Cajundome. Master Plan also includes new weight room, meeting rooms, suites (already sold), offices, etc., major renovations to baseball stadium to increase seating to over 10,000 and renovations to T&F facility. Just built a new softball facility (top 20 in the country) and we are among a handful of BCS schools in the South with an Indoor Practice Facility. Create a Southern Division of the Big East to include Houston, Tulane, Louisiana, USM, Memphis, UCF and USF.

Louisiana did not host anything. ULL hosted Alabama, Texas A&M,....silly for the UL Lafayette folks to think they are the Univ of Louisiana when you are not officially or unofficially.....but they insist on playing this name game. Did you EVER hear the announcers use the term "Louisiana".......NO! Did the ESPN television list the Cajuns as "Louisiana"....NO! Quit the game. I swear I cheer for the Cajuns nearly every time, but when I hear that Louisiana propaganda stuff, I get turned off.

Perhaps the only thing Tulane and LSU fans agree on is that UL-L is NOT the "University of Louisiana". For those not from the bayou the official name of UL-L has been a subject of political controversy in that state.

If I recall, the USL (its former name) Administration formally changed its name to The University of Louisana and was ready to roll it out and rebrand itself. THEN, LSU realized what was happening and went to the State powers that be and they were told that they could not use the name without the -Lafayette behind it and put them and UL-Monroe (who had been NE Louisiana) under the same board. So once again in Lousiana LSU and politics reared its ugly head. As of Tulane....no one, even in New Orleans, pays any attention to them regardless of what they say.

Fairly accurate statement -- If I could make a correction or two -- when legislation was passed to allow "U of L" the two main provisions were 1) the school would have to refer themselves as UL-x and 2) no school could change unless at least two schools decided to change names. For several years no other school in the UL system wanted to change its name, preventing USL from changing , but around 2000, NLU agreed to change at the same time it was invited into the Sunbelt.




ULL can call itself UL all it wants but it is not. And, more importantly, it is in no way a state flagship university.  It's funding is based on the same formula as ULM, Tech, grambling, Northwestern, McNeese, Nicholls, Southeastern, and New Orleans

I never said Louisiana is a Flagship university. But, at the same time, we are not at the same level as the other state schools you mentioned with the exception of LA Tech. You make us out to be some small, regional college that just happened to get lucky in football the last 2 seasons. That is a description of ULM, not Louisiana. And, you are a private school so stick to your privates. And, nobody in New Orleans pays any attention to Tulane. You are a pimple on the ass of football and are only considered for conference affiliation because you are in New Orleans.

While this is not an academic board, I think it is time people understand just who Louisiana is. Some Tulane posters spew so much negative information about Louisiana, I need to post the following to clear things up. Decisions on conference expansion will not be made on this board, thankfully. But, I do want people to know what is going on at Louisiana athletically and academically.

Our official name is the University of Louisiana at Lafayette, but it is now branding itself (legally) as Louisiana. Louisiana is the 2nd largest university in Louisiana, just spent $300M in on campus improvements and is about to announce a fully financed $100M Master Plan for athletics to improve all facilities and upgrade football to 52,000 seats. We sent 40,000 to the N. O. Bowl last year and were their first pick this year to return, with 45,000 Louisiana fans vs. E. Carolina. Oh yeah, we beat Big East invitees in both bowls, SDSU and ECU. BTW, ask any SDSU or ECU alum about our fans after having played us. Louisiana is a Top 377 university by Princeton Review with nationally ranked PhDs in Computer Science, Engineering, Business and Nursing. Louisiana is a Rockefeller Institute of Government Top 100 public research university. Louisiana is a Top 10 fastest growing R&D universities in the US. Louisiana is a Carnegie Nationally Ranked Research University with a RU/H (Research University /High Research activity) rating, similar to Ole Miss, Auburn, Baylor and Alabama. And, we are not that far from achieving true Tier 1 status. Louisiana's research level is over $65,000,000 and growing and is more than double all UL Systems schools combined (including ULM & LA Tech). Louisiana's endowment is over $145,000,000 and growing and is more than all other UL Systems schools combined (including ULM and LA Tech). Louisiana has over 17,000 students with projected enrollment to over 20,000 within 5 years. The combined statistical area per the 2010 US census has 560,000 people within 30 miles of Lafayette and over 800,000 within 50 miles of Lafayette (considered Acadiana) and doesn't include Lake Charles or Baton Rouge. Lafayette is considered the capital of Acadiana or French Louisiana.

We will be unveiling shortly an overall Master Plan for the university that will include a Master Plan for Athletics. We recently built an Indoor Practice Facility and a new Softball complex. Our Master Plan for athletics will include a complete renovation of our football stadium increasing capacity to over 50,000 with suites, a new weight room, meeting rooms, offices, merchandise store, and recruiting facility. Football has been voted the best tailgating of all non-BCS schools in the country. Additionally, a complete renovation of our baseball and T&F/Soccer facility. Baseball is already ranked in the top 15 in attendance nationally and in the Top 10 college baseball atmospheres in the country. Baseball has been to the CWS. Softball is a perennial Top 20 program and has been to the WCWS 5 times. Basketball is on the comeback and we play in a 12,500 seat Cajundome that is as nice as any in the nBE. All local bank presidents are UL alumni and former athletes and financing is in place. They already announced that all suites are sold or will be sold as soon as an announcement is made.

Louisiana has been under the rule of a dinosaur President that almost killed athletics. Our new President has changed all of that and created an Athletic Fund that is growing by leaps and bounds. We haven't scratched the potential at Louisiana. Lafayette is a wealthy city. Moving to a better conference will open up the pocket books of our wealthy donors and this program will really take off.

You can dismiss us if you like, but at least do so on an informed basis. Call us what you want, but the Cajun Nation is united in our quest to be known athletically as Louisiana. Why that would matter to a school like Tulane or any school for that matter is beyond me. Very few schools, public or private, go by their complete official name. Stanford doesn't, LSU doesn't, Nevada doesn't, Fresno State doesn't, Texas doesn't. When the real facts are known, I hope that people are not swayed by negative posts by certain Tulane posters and form a more objective and informed opinion on Louisiana.

The ULL guys writes:
I never said Louisiana (You are NOT Louisiana) is a Flagship university. But, at the same time, we are not at the same level as the other state schools you mentioned with the exception of LA Tech. You make us out to be some small, regional college that just happened to get lucky in football the last 2 seasons. That is a description of ULM, not Louisiana (You are NOT Louisiana). And, you are a private school so stick to your privates. And, nobody in New Orleans pays any attention to Tulane. You are a pimple on the ass of football and are only considered for conference affiliation because you are in New Orleans.

While this is not an academic board, I think it is time people understand just who Louisiana (You are NOT Louisiana) is. Some Tulane posters spew so much negative information about Louisiana (You are NOT Louisiana), I need to post the following to clear things up. Decisions on conference expansion will not be made on this board, thankfully. But, I do want people to know what is going on at Louisiana athletically and academically.

Our official name is the University of Louisiana at Lafayette, but it is now branding itself (legally) as Louisiana. Louisiana (You are NOT Louisiana) is the 2nd largest university in Louisiana, just spent $300M in on campus improvements and is about to announce a fully financed $100M Master Plan for athletics to improve all facilities and upgrade football to 52,000 seats. We sent 40,000 to the N. O. Bowl last year and were their first pick this year to return, with 45,000 Louisiana (You are NOT Louisiana) fans vs. E. Carolina. Oh yeah, we beat Big East invitees in both bowls, SDSU and ECU. BTW, ask any SDSU or ECU alum about our fans after having played us. Louisiana (You are NOT Louisiana) is a Top 377 university by Princeton Review with nationally ranked PhDs in Computer Science, Engineering, Business and Nursing. Louisiana is a Rockefeller Institute of Government Top 100 public research university. Louisiana (You are NOT Louisiana) is a Carnegie Nationally Ranked Research University with a RU/H (Research University /High Research activity) rating, similar to Ole Miss, Auburn, Baylor and Alabama. And, we are not that far from achieving true Tier 1 status. Louisiana's (You are NOT Louisiana) research level is over $65,000,000 and growing and is more than double all UL Systems schools combined (including ULM & LA Tech). Louisiana's (You are NOT Louisiana) endowment is over $145,000,000 and growing and is more than all other UL Systems schools combined (including ULM and LA Tech). Louisiana (You are NOT Louisiana) has over 17,000 students with projected enrollment to over 20,000 within 5 years. The combined statistical area per the 2010 US census has 560,000 people within 30 miles of Lafayette and over 800,000 within 50 miles of Lafayette (considered Acadiana) and doesn't include Lake Charles or Baton Rouge. Lafayette is considered the capital of Acadiana or French Louisiana.

We will be unveiling shortly an overall Master Plan for the university that will include a Master Plan for Athletics. We recently built an Indoor Practice Facility and a new Softball complex. Our Master Plan for athletics will include a complete renovation of our football stadium increasing capacity to over 50,000 with suites, a new weight room, meeting rooms, offices, merchandise store, and recruiting facility. Football has been voted the best tailgating of all non-BCS schools in the country. Additionally, a complete renovation of our baseball and T&F/Soccer facility. Baseball is already ranked in the top 15 in attendance nationally and in the Top 10 college baseball atmospheres in the country. Baseball has been to the CWS. Softball is a perennial Top 20 program and has been to the WCWS 5 times. Basketball is on the comeback and we play in a 12,500 seat Cajundome that is as nice as any in the nBE. All local bank presidents are UL(-L) alumni and former athletes and financing is in place. They already announced that all suites are sold or will be sold as soon as an announcement is made.

Louisiana (you are NOT Louisiana) has been under the rule of a dinosaur President that almost killed athletics. Our new President has changed all of that and created an Athletic Fund that is growing by leaps and bounds. We haven't scratched the potential at Louisiana (You are NOT Louisiana). Lafayette is a wealthy city. Moving to a better conference will open up the pocket books of our wealthy donors and this program will really take off.

You can dismiss us if you like, but at least do so on an informed basis. Call us what you want, but the Cajun Nation is united in our quest to be known athletically as Louisiana (You are NOT Louisiana). Why that would matter to a school like Tulane or any school for that matter is beyond me. Very few schools, public or private, go by their complete official name. Stanford doesn't, LSU doesn't, Nevada doesn't, Fresno State doesn't, Texas doesn't. When the real facts are known, I hope that people are not swayed by negative posts by certain Tulane posters and form a more objective and informed opinion on Louisiana (You are NOT Louisiana).
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This guy is unbelievable! Reminds of the a guy who thinks if you tell the lie enough times....people will believe it! Why do you go to the Big East board to spread your false marketing and gloat about your wins under your false name is beyond me. Did you EVER hear the ESPN announcers refer to the Cajuns as "Louisiana"....no, because they know of its legal implications. Did you see the score listed as "Louisiana"....no! The team was only termed as ULL, Lafayette, or Louisiana Lafayette. Quit the name game with us!

The reason why the "Louisiana" label means something is because of its significance to Tulane (initially being University of Louisiana to Tulane University of Louisiana) and the pretending by UL-L to be a flagship school comparable with LSU. The UL-L folks don't seem to care that the term is offensive, because they hope the lie will eventually stick. That is why the Louisiana legislature passed a law forbidding the solo Louisiana name for the Lafayette school. I swear I cheer for the Cajuns (very impressive crowd, team... and I have dear friends in Lafayette), but this false marketing is making my friendly side go in another direction.