(12-20-2012 09:33 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 09:00 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  From an Ohio State perspective, it's not about avoiding playing other Ohio schools so much as it's avoiding hurting themselves. Ohio State is uniquely positioned to have a statewide fanbase even if it is bigger in some areas than others. It does not help the Buckeye athletic department if fans in Dayton, Cincinnati, etc get extra reasons to root against the Buckeyes. Maybe in basketball alone it would be fine (Ohio State's support is more centered and less statewide than in football), but it likely would spill over to football too. There are a lot Dayton/Xavier basketball fans who are also Ohio State football fans (I don't think there are as many who would follow both Ohio State and Cincinnati). What OSU doesn't want is for fans of other major Ohio basketball schools to feel Ohio State is rival and start rooting against them in other areas.

Example: I went to the Ohio State/Dayton game in the NIT a few years ago. There were people there with both Ohio State and Dayton gear on. Generally they rooted for both even if they did have a preference. If you turn that kind of game into an annual event, it's a lot harder to root for both. Dayton being good and followed well doesn't hurt Ohio State. Dayton being good and a rival of Ohio State would (if not in basketball, indirectly it would in football)

This is the kind of flawed reasoning I would expect of an OSU fan. Only Ohio State has this kind of mentality that it can't stoop to play other universities in its own state, including one (UC) with nearly 40,000 students and a basketball history at least as illustrious, if not more so, than O$U's. Indiana doesn't think this way when they play Butler and Notre Dame regularly. Tennessee doesn't think this way when they play Memphis annually. Wisconsin doesn't think this way when they play Marquette annually. Penn State doesn't think this way when they play Temple regularly. Nebraska doesn't think this way when it plays Creighton annually. Has everyone in Columbus flunked Logic 101?

If the state of Indiana can configure that type of tournament, why can't Ohio? Butler and Xavier are in the A10, Notre Dame and Cincinnati are in the BEast, Indiana and OSU are in the B1G. It is basically the same situation.

If they had an all-Ohio tournament, I'd like to see it made bigger.

Ohio State, UC, Xavier, Dayton, Ohio U., Cleveland St., Miami U., Akron or Bowling Green or Wright St.

4 games on a Thursday. 2 games on a Friday. 1 game on a Sunday.

(12-21-2012 12:02 PM)BearChatter v2.0 Wrote:  If they had an all-Ohio tournament, I'd like to see it made bigger.

Ohio State, UC, Xavier, Dayton, Ohio U., Cleveland St., Miami U., Akron or Bowling Green or Wright St.

4 games on a Thursday. 2 games on a Friday. 1 game on a Sunday.

I like it Chatter... ramp it up to 12 teams by adding 2 smaller "other" Ohio teams that rotate and guarantee 3 games to each school. Move the tourney location around the state. Seed UC, O$U, XU and UD. Let the other 8 play with the 4 winners playing the 4 seeded teams. Except for the winners bracket, UC, XU, and OSU could be placed so they didn't have to play so they could "protect" their reps against each other :-)

Would probably be a better payday for the smaller schools when travel is taken into account. Ticket sales would probably be brisk and would be a great showcase for higher education in Ohio. Most years you'd still probably end up with a "final 4" of UC, OSU, XU, UD for a pretty nice TV product too.

Too bad it will never happen

Why not just play the game without them? Who cares is they play? It will shame them into it eventually.

Assumes the big 4 end up in the final game on Sunday. If one of the smaller schools wins on Wednesday, they move on obviously.

Monday games:
Kent St vs. Miami U.
Toledo vs. Wright St.
Akron vs. Cleveland St.
Ohio U. vs. Bowling Green

Wednesday games:
Ohio State vs. Kent/Miami winner
UC vs. Toledo/Wright winner
Xavier vs. Akron/Cleveland winner
Dayton vs. Ohio/BG winner

Friday games:
Ohio State vs. Xavier
UC vs. Dayton

Sunday game:
Ohio State vs. UC

bring back the rock & roll shootout!

(12-20-2012 09:00 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  From an Ohio State perspective, it's not about avoiding playing other Ohio schools so much as it's avoiding hurting themselves. Ohio State is uniquely positioned to have a statewide fanbase even if it is bigger in some areas than others. It does not help the Buckeye athletic department if fans in Dayton, Cincinnati, etc get extra reasons to root against the Buckeyes. Maybe in basketball alone it would be fine (Ohio State's support is more centered and less statewide than in football), but it likely would spill over to football too. There are a lot Dayton/Xavier basketball fans who are also Ohio State football fans (I don't think there are as many who would follow both Ohio State and Cincinnati). What OSU doesn't want is for fans of other major Ohio basketball schools to feel Ohio State is rival and start rooting against them in other areas.

Example: I went to the Ohio State/Dayton game in the NIT a few years ago. There were people there with both Ohio State and Dayton gear on. Generally they rooted for both even if they did have a preference. If you turn that kind of game into an annual event, it's a lot harder to root for both. Dayton being good and followed well doesn't hurt Ohio State. Dayton being good and a rival of Ohio State would (if not in basketball, indirectly it would in football)

Yet it doesn't seem to bother Iowa and Iowa State who play Northern Iowa and Drake annually in hoops.

You are never a troll and i appreciate your input and B10 viewpoint which you interject into this forum which is always welcome. However on this one you are wrong I believe. Ohio State either see's itself as "too good" to play the other instate schools in hoops or is afraid. I don't buy this idea that a UD basketball fan will all of a sudden not root for OSU in football if UD loses to Ohio State in hoops. I know of Drake bball fans that root for Drake vs Iowa in hoops but are die hard Hawkeye fans in football otherwise. Not saying there couldn't be isoloted incidents of this but i just don't see this being something to be "afraid of". I think reality is OSU has a self inflated view of itself and can't stand the thought of anything shattering that self view...it's too bad to because if you guys would come out of the cave once in a while and look around you would see there is some great hoops in this state outside of the 270 loop...and I'm not just talking UC hoops here either.

It's too bad because by now we (UC/OSU) could have had a killer hoops rivalry...would have been close in the 70's....you would have taken a lot of the games in the 80's, UC would have won most of the 90's/early 2000's and you would have had a nice run sincd 2005...point is, it would have been see saw. Instead we played once when you guys were at your zenith in 25 years and we at our worst in the same time frame...you killed us and buckeye fans walked around saying "I knew we'd kill them when we played so what are UC fans crying about all this time?!"...pathetic.

Hope to meet up in the ncaa again this year...

(12-24-2012 03:38 AM)god shammgod Wrote:  bring back the rock & roll shootout!

You know, God, I'd be fine with that. If OSU doesn't want to participate, that shouldn't stop us from making the occasional appearance in Cleveland vs. a quality opponent.

I'll bet Michigan or Michigan State just might be receptive to that and if not, perhaps a post-Big East Syracuse. You'd be at about the midpoint between the two schools. I think a post-Big East Pitt would ABSOLUTELY want to get involved.

Ohio, I usually like your posts but I also disagree with you here. Do you see ANY UC fans on this board who also root for OSU? I USED to be one, until OSU, with their "attitude", decided to cancel the 2012 game in PBS.

Now, I never watch even a Big Ten game. Maybe I'll catch a little bit of Purdue/Illinois from time to time. THEY at least, still play us from time to time, in BOTH sports.

(12-24-2012 09:47 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 03:38 AM)god shammgod Wrote:  bring back the rock & roll shootout!

You know, God, I'd be fine with that. If OSU doesn't want to participate, that shouldn't stop us from making the occasional appearance in Cleveland vs. a quality opponent.

I'll bet Michigan or Michigan State just might be receptive to that and if not, perhaps a post-Big East Syracuse. You'd be at about the midpoint between the two schools. I think a post-Big East Pitt would ABSOLUTELY want to get involved.

Why not get Michigan, Michigan State, or Ohio State from the Big Ten, Pitt or Cuse from the ACC, Cincinnati from the Big East/National Conference, Xavier, Dayton, Butler from the A10-C7, WVU from the Big 12, Kent, Akron, Toledo, BGSU, Miami, Buffalo, or Ohio from the MAC. Cleveland State from the Horizon, and a random power conference school.

8 team tournament would probably sellout if it had those schools. Too bad it will never happen.

Come to think of it, we should try to schedule Pitt/SU in MSG, and maintain the recruiting "in" to NYC.

(12-24-2012 10:04 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Come to think of it, we should try to schedule Pitt/SU in MSG, and maintain the recruiting "in" to NYC.

Interesting but I think there would be a lot schools ahead of Cincinnati to play St. John's, Cuse, or another regional school in the garden. Playing Pitt every season could make sense but you still have to keep Xavier and Louisville.

TV will probably bring UConn-Georgetown, Cuse-Georgetown, UConn-Cuse, and St. John's-Syracuse together before UC gets back in the mix.

I wouldn't mind seeing games in Cleveland, Indy, or Detroit against IU, Purdue, Michigan, or Michigan State. Heck, UC should head to Columbus to play Ohio State just to beat them in front of their home crowd.