(12-15-2012 07:10 PM)MetroMemphis Wrote:  This isn't remotely possible. For one thing, where would UC and UConn put football? The MAC? Besides, UConn and UC would be in a better basketball league with Memphis and Temple, along with UNLV, SDSU, New Mexico, etc than they would would the C7 who only have 2 or 3 real power programs as it is.

Name recognition doesn't hold weight like it used to. St. Johns isn't the same as they were back in their heyday. Neither is Villanova, Providence, or Depaul.

Again they only do this if they work an agreement to play football only in the National, Best of the Rest Conference. There would obviously be push back from the potential full members, but that does not mean it is out of the question. Whatever you think, Boise has come in as football only, SD State came in at football only, if the league really wants UC/UConn it could be willing to accommodate them.

(12-15-2012 07:07 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I don't know ultimately how it would play out, but give me a break, If you are trying to build a best of the rest football conference and don't include UC you are going to instantly lose credibility. All sides will look at the benefits and burdens involved, there will be discussions, but don't dismiss this on its face just because it is not ideal for you. To think that UC has no bargaining power in this is asinine.

Please... not including them is hardly the end of the world for football. Football is a past time in Fla and Tex. Not in Cinci and CT. Not having schools there is hardly the end of the world for them.

SF Husky from last week:

(12-12-2012 06:10 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  You obviously weren't here when some of the trolls from your fanbase came around here bragging about UL and rubbing it in everyone's face. From Wilkie's 24x7 non-stop trolling of UL to the B12 to Gopper's endless rant about how great UL is vs. other BE schools, it was trolling at its best.

Before you call me out, you might try that with some of the trolls in your own fanbase. I have never seen a bunch of fans of a commuter college being so arrogant towards other NBE fans.

SF Husky from today...

(12-15-2012 05:54 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  There is nothing in common with UCONN and C7. There is no chance UCONN would join with the C7. C7 should thank UCONN for millions of $$$$$ UCONN has earned for them over the years.

and then this...

(12-15-2012 05:58 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  I am sure UL fans thinking somehow UL got one over UCONN. Just wait man, there is a good reason for that and it will all make sense someday. If I were you, I start worrying about your own school when the next wave comes.

There are many others on other threads, but direct proof of talking up UConn at the expense of other Big East schools.

So, by his own admission, SF Husky is a troll, no?

(12-15-2012 07:20 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:07 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I don't know ultimately how it would play out, but give me a break, If you are trying to build a best of the rest football conference and don't include UC you are going to instantly lose credibility. All sides will look at the benefits and burdens involved, there will be discussions, but don't dismiss this on its face just because it is not ideal for you. To think that UC has no bargaining power in this is asinine.

Please... not including them is hardly the end of the world for football. Football is a past time in Fla and Tex. Not in Cinci and CT. Not having schools there is hardly the end of the world for them.

No one said it is "the end of the world." The question is would the league be better and more credible with Cincinnati and UConn...the answer to that is an obvious yes to anyone who follows college football.

(12-15-2012 07:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:01 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  In reality Cincinnati, UConn, Boise St, South Florida, and BYU can more or less dictate their own terms to the "best of the rest."

I'd say Temple and South Florida might have something to say about that. They are the only other voting members left.

I included South Florida on the list. it's not about voting. I am simply referring to brand value. Temple doesn't quite have it, but by virtue of being already BCS football members, USF, Cincy, and UConn have more clout than the rest.

(12-15-2012 07:22 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:20 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:07 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I don't know ultimately how it would play out, but give me a break, If you are trying to build a best of the rest football conference and don't include UC you are going to instantly lose credibility. All sides will look at the benefits and burdens involved, there will be discussions, but don't dismiss this on its face just because it is not ideal for you. To think that UC has no bargaining power in this is asinine.

Please... not including them is hardly the end of the world for football. Football is a past time in Fla and Tex. Not in Cinci and CT. Not having schools there is hardly the end of the world for them.

No one said it is "the end of the world." The question is would the league be better and more credible with Cincinnati and UConn...the answer to that is an obvious yes to anyone who follows college football.

But once again. You have no leverage if the league says no, where would you go?

(12-15-2012 07:16 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:10 PM)MetroMemphis Wrote:  This isn't remotely possible. For one thing, where would UC and UConn put football? The MAC? Besides, UConn and UC would be in a better basketball league with Memphis and Temple, along with UNLV, SDSU, New Mexico, etc than they would would the C7 who only have 2 or 3 real power programs as it is.

Name recognition doesn't hold weight like it used to. St. Johns isn't the same as they were back in their heyday. Neither is Villanova, Providence, or Depaul.

Again they only do this if they work an agreement to play football only in the National, Best of the Rest Conference. There would obviously be push back from the potential full members, but that does not mean it is out of the question. Whatever you think, Boise has come in as football only, SD State came in at football only, if the league really wants UC/UConn it could be willing to accommodate them.

It's out of the question. The non football members have burnt bridges by leaving. Do you honestly think that the ones who got screwed would agree to let them move on and house football in the new alignment? Are you drunk?

(12-15-2012 07:16 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:10 PM)MetroMemphis Wrote:  This isn't remotely possible. For one thing, where would UC and UConn put football? The MAC? Besides, UConn and UC would be in a better basketball league with Memphis and Temple, along with UNLV, SDSU, New Mexico, etc than they would would the C7 who only have 2 or 3 real power programs as it is.

Name recognition doesn't hold weight like it used to. St. Johns isn't the same as they were back in their heyday. Neither is Villanova, Providence, or Depaul.

Again they only do this if they work an agreement to play football only in the National, Best of the Rest Conference. There would obviously be push back from the potential full members, but that does not mean it is out of the question. Whatever you think, Boise has come in as football only, SD State came in at football only, if the league really wants UC/UConn it could be willing to accommodate them.

Seriously, then why not vote to dissolve the conference? There is a serious logic gap in doing this and not standing with the C7 to dissolve.

(12-15-2012 07:22 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  No one said it is "the end of the world." The question is would the league be better and more credible with Cincinnati and UConn...the answer to that is an obvious yes to anyone who follows college football.

Better? In football okay. But it's not saying much. They aren't national brands like BYU.

You try to keep them of course. But if they want to expand out west, with football only schools, then I wouldn't bother making taking them without Oly sports.

You keep adding Frensos and AFA's, the need for UConn/UC football diminishes. Not saying they are going to land those schools right now. But they could by 2015.

You know what, and I'm only halfway joking here, the MAC had four different teams ranked this year. With the new set up, if UConn, Temple, and/or Cincy really wanted to go this route, would football really be that much worse off in the MAC? If you aren't going to break the bank, might as well go super regional ad play teams close enough to travel too.

(12-15-2012 07:27 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  You know what, and I'm only halfway joking here, the MAC had four different teams ranked this year. With the new set up, if UConn, Temple, and/or Cincy really wanted to go this route, would football really be that much worse off in the MAC? If you aren't going to break the bank, might as well go super regional ad play teams close enough to travel too.

Exactly... position yourself as a top 3 conf mid major. Schedule some B1G teams annually. That's the play.

nBE can position itself with Big 12/SEC alliances in Bowl games, since they control many crucial markets in those regions that are bowl venues.

If Boise and SDSU go back, then it makes no sense whatsoever to keep UC/UConn without Bball. No sense at all.

(12-15-2012 07:23 PM)MetroMemphis Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:16 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:10 PM)MetroMemphis Wrote:  This isn't remotely possible. For one thing, where would UC and UConn put football? The MAC? Besides, UConn and UC would be in a better basketball league with Memphis and Temple, along with UNLV, SDSU, New Mexico, etc than they would would the C7 who only have 2 or 3 real power programs as it is.

Name recognition doesn't hold weight like it used to. St. Johns isn't the same as they were back in their heyday. Neither is Villanova, Providence, or Depaul.

Again they only do this if they work an agreement to play football only in the National, Best of the Rest Conference. There would obviously be push back from the potential full members, but that does not mean it is out of the question. Whatever you think, Boise has come in as football only, SD State came in at football only, if the league really wants UC/UConn it could be willing to accommodate them.

It's out of the question. The non football members have burnt bridges by leaving. Do you honestly think that the ones who got screwed would agree to let them move on and house football in the new alignment? Are you drunk?

"Got screwed?" I think that's a bit of hyperbole, but yes, I think the benefit of having Cincinnati and UConn even as football only would definitely be something they are willing to talk about.

Additionally, UC/UConn could vote with the C7 to disband the league and create a financial split that is very beneficial to whatever their interest is. Also they could leverage the finances and rights in the split to help either league. Financial arrangements can be made. There is plenty to discuss with this. You are outright dismissing it because you don't want it, not because there is no way where it could be practical

(12-15-2012 07:20 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  There are many others on other threads, but direct proof of talking up UConn at the expense of other Big East schools.

So, by his own admission, SF Husky is a troll, no?

I know you got a hard on for me, but sorry I won't engage on your crap. I was responding to yet another one of your fans spreading more stuff.

Anyway, I would take the time to explain to you about my other comment regarding cable fees but it will be waste of my effort so I won't bother.

Either way, I highly doubt UCONN/UC going with C7 is even a discussion.

BTW, your retarded comment regarding UCONN to the MAC just shows your true color. Why are UL fans even interested in this topic at this point?

(12-15-2012 07:24 PM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:16 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:10 PM)MetroMemphis Wrote:  This isn't remotely possible. For one thing, where would UC and UConn put football? The MAC? Besides, UConn and UC would be in a better basketball league with Memphis and Temple, along with UNLV, SDSU, New Mexico, etc than they would would the C7 who only have 2 or 3 real power programs as it is.

Name recognition doesn't hold weight like it used to. St. Johns isn't the same as they were back in their heyday. Neither is Villanova, Providence, or Depaul.

Again they only do this if they work an agreement to play football only in the National, Best of the Rest Conference. There would obviously be push back from the potential full members, but that does not mean it is out of the question. Whatever you think, Boise has come in as football only, SD State came in at football only, if the league really wants UC/UConn it could be willing to accommodate them.

Seriously, then why not vote to dissolve the conference? There is a serious logic gap in doing this and not standing with the C7 to dissolve.

Why? UC wanted to hold the league together. By not voting it is held together for another couple of years and assured the autobid would still be there next season. That said, UC has the power/leverage to change that vote if they want to.

Also, Why would UC piss off the football schools? For football purposes its preference unless it can get an autobid league would likely be to form a best of the rest conference. I could see it making a play to be football only members and because of some of what I am talking about above UC does have some leverage in that.

I don't know what UC's position in this is other than it ultimately wants to be in an autobid conference. That said I think you are underselling UC's strength and overselling the strength of the rest of the nonfootballs. If UC decides it would prefer football only membership and staying with the C7 (and the C7 is agreeable to that) there will undoubtedly be discussions. I would not speculate on the end result.

translation.. I'm busted, I can't defend myself without sounding like an idiot, so I will change the discussion.

These are your own words. Not mine. No one put them in yoru mouth. You defined your version of trolling. then you did it, as you always do. What is there to defend.

And no, I don't have a hard on for you. I get annoyed with you constantly arguing with Frank, or Wilkie, or other, and state leis about what they have said, then compound it by doing exactly what you bitched about them doing. There are no two ways around this. You did it. Now own up to it.

And you don't have to pretend to try and "explain" the cable subscriber fee to me. I don't suppose the Mets have anything to do with SNY's cable subscriber fees, but it's all UConn's tier three content responsible for it. Also to note, if that were the case, with 1.5 million households in Connecticut, if UConn was generating $3.00 in subscriber fees from the 1.25 million households with cable, then you'd be getting $45 million per year, now wouldn't you?

Oh,and please look up the word "joke" in the dictionary.

(12-15-2012 07:38 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:24 PM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:16 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:10 PM)MetroMemphis Wrote:  This isn't remotely possible. For one thing, where would UC and UConn put football? The MAC? Besides, UConn and UC would be in a better basketball league with Memphis and Temple, along with UNLV, SDSU, New Mexico, etc than they would would the C7 who only have 2 or 3 real power programs as it is.

Name recognition doesn't hold weight like it used to. St. Johns isn't the same as they were back in their heyday. Neither is Villanova, Providence, or Depaul.

Again they only do this if they work an agreement to play football only in the National, Best of the Rest Conference. There would obviously be push back from the potential full members, but that does not mean it is out of the question. Whatever you think, Boise has come in as football only, SD State came in at football only, if the league really wants UC/UConn it could be willing to accommodate them.

Seriously, then why not vote to dissolve the conference? There is a serious logic gap in doing this and not standing with the C7 to dissolve.

Why? UC wanted to hold the league together. By not voting it is held together for another couple of years and assured the autobid would still be there next season. That said, UC has the power/leverage to change that vote if they want to.

Also, Why would UC piss off the football schools? For football purposes its preference unless it can get an autobid league would likely be to form a best of the rest conference. I could see it making a play to be football only members and because of some of what I am talking about above UC does have some leverage in that.

I don't know what UC's position in this is other than it ultimately wants to be in an autobid conference. That said I think you are underselling UC's strength and overselling the strength of the rest of the nonfootballs. If UC decides it would prefer football only membership and staying with the C7 (and the C7 is agreeable to that) there will undoubtedly be discussions. I would not speculate on the end result.

Actually they don't have the deciding vote anymore. With the announced departure of the C7, they lose their voting rights per the by laws. So it would take the balance of the membership to dissolve now.

If they wanted to be with the C7, they would have dissolved which would have given Cinci all of their b Credits, worth more than the BCS payout next year, align them with the C7 for hoops, but create a massive crater for Football.

You know the sport that matters.

But go ahead, put out crazy schemes as if you were a Wyo fan.

(12-15-2012 07:38 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:24 PM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:16 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:10 PM)MetroMemphis Wrote:  This isn't remotely possible. For one thing, where would UC and UConn put football? The MAC? Besides, UConn and UC would be in a better basketball league with Memphis and Temple, along with UNLV, SDSU, New Mexico, etc than they would would the C7 who only have 2 or 3 real power programs as it is.

Name recognition doesn't hold weight like it used to. St. Johns isn't the same as they were back in their heyday. Neither is Villanova, Providence, or Depaul.

Again they only do this if they work an agreement to play football only in the National, Best of the Rest Conference. There would obviously be push back from the potential full members, but that does not mean it is out of the question. Whatever you think, Boise has come in as football only, SD State came in at football only, if the league really wants UC/UConn it could be willing to accommodate them.

Seriously, then why not vote to dissolve the conference? There is a serious logic gap in doing this and not standing with the C7 to dissolve.

Why? UC wanted to hold the league together. By not voting it is held together for another couple of years and assured the autobid would still be there next season. That said, UC has the power/leverage to change that vote if they want to.

Also, Why would UC piss off the football schools? For football purposes its preference unless it can get an autobid league would likely be to form a best of the rest conference. I could see it making a play to be football only members and because of some of what I am talking about above UC does have some leverage in that.

I don't know what UC's position in this is other than it ultimately wants to be in an autobid conference. That said I think you are underselling UC's strength and overselling the strength of the rest of the nonfootballs. If UC decides it would prefer football only membership and staying with the C7 (and the C7 is agreeable to that) there will undoubtedly be discussions. I would not speculate on the end result.

Then let them go for it. As you said the ultimate goal of UC and the rest is an autobid league. If you really believe that a UC playing in the MAC for football would make them more attractive than playing in a national conference with Boise,USF,UCF,Houston etc. then be my guest.

(12-15-2012 07:42 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:38 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:24 PM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:16 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:10 PM)MetroMemphis Wrote:  This isn't remotely possible. For one thing, where would UC and UConn put football? The MAC? Besides, UConn and UC would be in a better basketball league with Memphis and Temple, along with UNLV, SDSU, New Mexico, etc than they would would the C7 who only have 2 or 3 real power programs as it is.

Name recognition doesn't hold weight like it used to. St. Johns isn't the same as they were back in their heyday. Neither is Villanova, Providence, or Depaul.

Again they only do this if they work an agreement to play football only in the National, Best of the Rest Conference. There would obviously be push back from the potential full members, but that does not mean it is out of the question. Whatever you think, Boise has come in as football only, SD State came in at football only, if the league really wants UC/UConn it could be willing to accommodate them.

Seriously, then why not vote to dissolve the conference? There is a serious logic gap in doing this and not standing with the C7 to dissolve.

Why? UC wanted to hold the league together. By not voting it is held together for another couple of years and assured the autobid would still be there next season. That said, UC has the power/leverage to change that vote if they want to.

Also, Why would UC piss off the football schools? For football purposes its preference unless it can get an autobid league would likely be to form a best of the rest conference. I could see it making a play to be football only members and because of some of what I am talking about above UC does have some leverage in that.

I don't know what UC's position in this is other than it ultimately wants to be in an autobid conference. That said I think you are underselling UC's strength and overselling the strength of the rest of the nonfootballs. If UC decides it would prefer football only membership and staying with the C7 (and the C7 is agreeable to that) there will undoubtedly be discussions. I would not speculate on the end result.

Then let them go for it. As you said the ultimate goal of UC and the rest is an autobid league. If you really believe that a UC playing in the MAC for football would make them more attractive than playing in a national conference with Boise,USF,UCF,Houston etc. then be my guest.

I never said. But those are not the only two options on the table. You can have that attitude of let them go, but my guest is the people that want to maximize the TV deal of a national conference won't share your "let them go" attitude towards losing UC.

(12-15-2012 07:46 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:42 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:38 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:24 PM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 07:16 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Again they only do this if they work an agreement to play football only in the National, Best of the Rest Conference. There would obviously be push back from the potential full members, but that does not mean it is out of the question. Whatever you think, Boise has come in as football only, SD State came in at football only, if the league really wants UC/UConn it could be willing to accommodate them.

Seriously, then why not vote to dissolve the conference? There is a serious logic gap in doing this and not standing with the C7 to dissolve.

Why? UC wanted to hold the league together. By not voting it is held together for another couple of years and assured the autobid would still be there next season. That said, UC has the power/leverage to change that vote if they want to.

Also, Why would UC piss off the football schools? For football purposes its preference unless it can get an autobid league would likely be to form a best of the rest conference. I could see it making a play to be football only members and because of some of what I am talking about above UC does have some leverage in that.

I don't know what UC's position in this is other than it ultimately wants to be in an autobid conference. That said I think you are underselling UC's strength and overselling the strength of the rest of the nonfootballs. If UC decides it would prefer football only membership and staying with the C7 (and the C7 is agreeable to that) there will undoubtedly be discussions. I would not speculate on the end result.

Then let them go for it. As you said the ultimate goal of UC and the rest is an autobid league. If you really believe that a UC playing in the MAC for football would make them more attractive than playing in a national conference with Boise,USF,UCF,Houston etc. then be my guest.

I never said. But those are not the only two options on the table. You can have that attitude of let them go, but my guest is the people that want to maximize the TV deal of a national conference won't share your "let them go" attitude towards losing UC.

We will see but I can tell you that this is not what I'm hearing from USF. The football schools are working on staying together in all sports.

But I'm over this. I'll let the announcements happen rather than spend more time on this issue.

I will say this... In this day of conference realignment, one should always check their backs for the knife and trust no one. Everyone will always look out for themselves and as soon as you believe everything is okay, a sharp pain will come.