(12-15-2012 05:34 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 05:30 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 05:16 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 05:02 PM)EagleX Wrote:  After painfully watching the bottomless contempt shown by the "high and mighty" big east for fine institutions like ecu and tulane, I would rather join the sunbelt than those pretentious bastards.

honestly, I would.

As good as Memphis is at basketball, I don't know if they would even be worth it as far as football goes since that is what's driving this realignment same goes with Tulane except they're good in baseball

I disagree to the extent that I believe basic dishonesty is what is driving this realignment, and 99% of it is being perpetrated by the big east itself.

first, they floated out the promise of an AQ bid that they knew for a fact was going away. The next apple they offered to those willing to defect was the promise of an enormous tv windfall, knowing full well that backfilling the vacant football slots was absolutely going to drive away the bb schools, and the whole thing was going to collapse. They just wanted to tempt as many schools into the impending disaster as possible, as quickly as possible, simply on the twisted hope that a bigger debacle would be more likely to get favorable consideration than a smaller one.

the big east's behavior has been reprehensible throughout this entire self-created, self-centered nightmare. That organization is morally and ethically vile; it's commissioner should be horse whipped.

what I don't understand is why those that have been caught up in this web of lies refuse to see it for what it is.

makes me glad we never got invited. For once our small small tv market did us a favor it looks like.

Given the chance, we would have taken the blue pill just like everyone else. That's the maddening truth of the matter.

(12-15-2012 04:43 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  All of them. The only one I want is USM

^^^THIS^^^

(12-15-2012 05:38 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 05:34 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 05:30 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 05:16 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 05:02 PM)EagleX Wrote:  After painfully watching the bottomless contempt shown by the "high and mighty" big east for fine institutions like ecu and tulane, I would rather join the sunbelt than those pretentious bastards.

honestly, I would.

As good as Memphis is at basketball, I don't know if they would even be worth it as far as football goes since that is what's driving this realignment same goes with Tulane except they're good in baseball

I disagree to the extent that I believe basic dishonesty is what is driving this realignment, and 99% of it is being perpetrated by the big east itself.

first, they floated out the promise of an AQ bid that they knew for a fact was going away. The next apple they offered to those willing to defect was the promise of an enormous tv windfall, knowing full well that backfilling the vacant football slots was absolutely going to drive away the bb schools, and the whole thing was going to collapse. They just wanted to tempt as many schools into the impending disaster as possible, as quickly as possible, simply on the twisted hope that a bigger debacle would be more likely to get favorable consideration than a smaller one.

the big east's behavior has been reprehensible throughout this entire self-created, self-centered nightmare. That organization is morally and ethically vile; it's commissioner should be horse whipped.

what I don't understand is why those that have been caught up in this web of lies refuse to see it for what it is.

makes me glad we never got invited. For once our small small tv market did us a favor it looks like.

Given the chance, we would have taken the blue pill just like everyone else. That's the maddening truth of the matter.

You are exactly correct. Jeff Hammond said as much and at the time it was a move I would have applauded. I said it many times, but it is true, I don't blame any team for going there because it looked like a good deal. I just hope all of them can land in a decent situation. Especially Tulane since football has been a struggle for them since they were in the SEC, and I was born in New Orleans so I have a soft spot for the Wave. I do value playing La. Tech more because they probably will be a more constant rival for USM.

USM probably would, but it might be a "starting in 2015" deal, or something like that.

(12-15-2012 06:16 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  USM probably would, but it might be a "starting in 2015" deal, or something like that. I can't see us paying a bunch of cash just to get out.

we just paid Pappy Buttermilk over 2 million bucks to coach at another school. for all of our poor mouthing, we seem to come up with the cash when we want to.

Nah we should sit it out. Not worth the cash to leave. That 10 million could go a long ways on Reed Green.

(12-15-2012 06:20 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 06:16 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  USM probably would, but it might be a "starting in 2015" deal, or something like that. I can't see us paying a bunch of cash just to get out.

we just paid Pappy Buttermilk over 2 million bucks to coach at another school. for all of our poor mouthing, we seem to come up with the cash when we want to.

That's why I deleted that part of my comment. If we stay in CUSA forever, or for another year or two, it won't be because we don't have the money to pay an exit fee.

(12-15-2012 06:23 PM)cyc46 Wrote:  Nah we should sit it out. Not worth the cash to leave. That 10 million could go a long ways on Reed Green.

This right here.


The NBE TV estimates were bottoming out before the BB schools ditched, I can't imagine they'll be even at those levels once negotiations start. There's little doubt that it will probably make more money than C-USA, but when it will take you 10+ years to recoup exit fees and you have to fly out your olympic sports to San Diego and Boise on a regular basis, I can't see whatever nominal monetary gain being worth it at this point. Things have just changed drastically.

(12-15-2012 03:22 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  an opening? From Aresco's comments in USA Today on Friday and UConn President yesterday stating they are committed to making the BE the best Conf possible as well as denying his school's intention of starting a new league as reported by Sportng News. If Aresco tried to rebrand the BE as the , best of the rest, do you think any Conf USA schools would accept an invite, or would they see no value in the BE and stay where they are? Thoughts?

Best of the rest?

(12-15-2012 06:59 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 06:23 PM)cyc46 Wrote:  Nah we should sit it out. Not worth the cash to leave. That 10 million could go a long ways on Reed Green.

This right here.


The NBE TV estimates were bottoming out before the BB schools ditched, I can't imagine they'll be even at those levels once negotiations start. There's little doubt that it will probably make more money than C-USA, but when it will take you 10+ years to recoup exit fees and you have to fly out your olympic sports to San Diego and Boise on a regular basis, I can't see whatever nominal monetary gain being worth it at this point. Things have just changed drastically.

this is why I don't see any MWC teams even wanting anything to do with nBE or they would've gotten added before Tulane

The only reason I would want to join this hunk of ship conference would be to play Memphis, UCONN, and Cincinnati in hoops. Boise State in football might be fun too.

Other than that there isn't much. Plus who knows if UCONN, Cincy and even Boise will be around. So that leaves Memphis hoops which I respect and will miss the most but the rest will be easy to forget and nothing to lose sleep over by any means.

(12-15-2012 06:59 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 06:23 PM)cyc46 Wrote:  Nah we should sit it out. Not worth the cash to leave. That 10 million could go a long ways on Reed Green.

This right here.


The NBE TV estimates were bottoming out before the BB schools ditched, I can't imagine they'll be even at those levels once negotiations start. There's little doubt that it will probably make more money than C-USA, but when it will take you 10+ years to recoup exit fees and you have to fly out your olympic sports to San Diego and Boise on a regular basis, I can't see whatever nominal monetary gain being worth it at this point. Things have just changed drastically.

I totally agree with this statement. Plus, add in the fact that the recently expanded B1G and ACC will be looking to steal some of the better NBE bowl ties. Also, under the new playoff formate, C-USA will have the same shot at the playoff spot as the NBE. The NBE doesn't have an AQ spot, a large media deal, or the elite basketball programs anymore.

To be totally honest, UNT has no chance at getting an invitation to the NBE anyway. With SMU already there, they don't need us. And that's fine. Personally, I don't think I'd want to go there even if we did get an invitation. Sure it would be nice to play Houston and SMU, but C-USA West looks very nice. I can make almost every road game in our division.

When looking at the programs that will be in C-USA and the NBE, I see no reason why C-USA can't post as good or even better overall records then the new Big East.

(12-15-2012 07:18 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  The only reason I would want to join this hunk of ship conference would be to play Memphis, UCONN, and Cincinnati in hoops. Boise State in football might be fun too.

Other than that there isn't much. Plus who knows if UCONN, Cincy and even Boise will be around. So that leaves Memphis hoops which I respect and will miss the most but the rest will be easy to forget and nothing to lose sleep over by any means.

trust me, after the first few times playing Boise it gets old even if the games are close

Only if we could provide the final nail to finish what ECU and Tulane started.

On second thought, no, the horror of the ECU invite has already done enough damage. The Big Deceased is toast.

I wouldn't mind inviting ECU & Tulane back, but the rest (Memphis) can go f*** themselves

(12-15-2012 09:17 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  I wouldn't mind inviting ECU & Tulane back, but the rest (Memphis) can go f*** themselves

I'm just fine collecting exit fees (USM needs them, weez po) if we're all going to wind up more or less on the same level anyway. Joining the BE a year ago, hell, one month ago, was a whole different animal than joining now would be.

There wont be a new league championed by UCONN and Cinn

Fresno isnt coming to fantasy land. Neither is UNLV. Playing a coast to coast all sports conference for the same money is dumb. UCONN and Cinncy wont be around long anyway. I highly doubt Boise sticks around without the money and having to subsidize a $1 to the Big West for Olympic schools. SDSU will eventually go to the PAC 12 in the next round of expansion out west.The nBE has four schools with their feet out of the door which is fine for the schools on the east coast. You will end up with a nice conference of CUSA teams in Texas, Florida, the East coast and the midwest. I would honestly prefer a nBE without SDSU.

Personally I think MWC is 1000 times better option for Tulsa, UTEP, or Rice but will be supportive wherever we end up.

USM and Marshall should join the new whatever you are going to call it. ECU is in a good position with the basketball schools breaking away to have

(12-15-2012 09:17 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  I wouldn't mind inviting ECU & Tulane back, but the rest (Memphis) can go f*** themselves

I am sure that I am in the minority, but I would take them all back with open arms. if I had a magic wand, I would put the world back like it was a year ago, plus your school. I have wanted La Tech in C-USA for a long time.

I want back our rivalry with ecu. I want back our longstanding annual game with memphis. I want back our dominance over houston*.

*I kid, I kid.

(12-15-2012 09:26 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 09:17 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  I wouldn't mind inviting ECU & Tulane back, but the rest (Memphis) can go f*** themselves

I'm just fine collecting exit fees (USM needs them, weez po) if we're all going to wind up more or less on the same level anyway. Joining the BE a year ago, hell, one month ago, was a whole different animal than joining now would be.

and that is part of the utter dishonesty and reprehensible behavior that is the BE. the bastards KNEW this was going to go down this way.

Quote:the bastards KNEW this was going to go down this way.

So did anyone who conducted their due diligence. blazr laid it out on these boards. One phone call to the 315 was all it took.

It's another aspect of the monetization of college sports - athletic directors who knew better were at the mercy of moronic big-money donors who had to have their way because the Viagra just didn't do enough for their penile self-esteem.