Is it possible that if the BE stops sponsoring FBall, schools like UC and UConn can keep all their other sports in the BE and join whatever the best option is for football only?

I think UC would at least consider that depending on who the other adds end up being (i.e. not Xavier).

I would assume the BE still welcomes UC, but I think it's pretty well understood that they'd still be looking to leave eventually so who knows.

(12-11-2012 07:56 AM)TigerFan444 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 07:55 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 01:51 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 01:42 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

They could easily settle with the invitees and departing FB schools. The no-FB schools keep the Big East name and conference structure, and to get the invitees to depart quietly, they cut each of them a fat slice of those WVU/TCU/Pitt/Cuse/ND/L'ville exit fees. The departing FB teams can keep the Big East bowl ties, and any other contracts associated only with BE football.

My guess is there won't be anything easy about it.

Mine too. These days, everything is litigated.

At least with regards to the Big East, nBE and verynBE (aka ACC).

(12-11-2012 01:54 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 01:51 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 01:42 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  If the BE voted to discontinue football, which they could as a simple majority action, the invitees, the BCS, and the Bowls would all likely sue the BE. While it is a strategy, it's not a good one.

They could easily settle with the invitees and departing FB schools. The no-FB schools keep the Big East name and conference structure, and to get the invitees to depart quietly, they cut each of them a fat slice of those WVU/TCU/Pitt/Cuse/ND/L'ville exit fees. The departing FB teams can keep the Big East bowl ties, and any other contracts associated only with BE football.

How would the FB teams who would be leaving/not joining the BE get to keep any bowl ties or BE contracts? They wouldn't be members of the BE.

The football schools could be a continuation of the corporate existence of the BE, while the basketball schools could have the name "Big East" assigned to their new conference corporation. It's like a corporate spin off.

(12-11-2012 08:12 AM)uccheese Wrote:  Is it possible that if the BE stops sponsoring FBall, schools like UC and UConn can keep all their other sports in the BE and join whatever the best option is for football only?

I think UC would at least consider that depending on who the other adds end up being (i.e. not Xavier).

I would assume the BE still welcomes UC, but I think it's pretty well understood that they'd still be looking to leave eventually so who knows.

That would be even more complicated I would guess. "Iff" the basketball schools kill off football it would be to separate from the football schools. They don't want them.

Big "ifs" all over this situation.

(12-11-2012 12:32 AM)wildthing202 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/...6470086656

"Big East source: "Basketball schools not thrilled w/Tulane & what they will do to RPI. They would have fallen off ledge if we added ECU""

Ironic. These are the same basketball schools that tried to force the football schools to take Villanova.

What I find ironic is that a number of the non-FB fans of the BE raked Pitt and Syracuse over the coals because neither school wanted to associate with all of the CUSA schools coming aboard (I know, not public knowledge yet but the writing was on the wall), but now these same fans are butthurt over associating with the CUSA/MWC schools. Case in point:

Quote: Jeffkills Wrote: PLEASE split off and go away...

A 16 team national all-sports league would be great.

West:
Boise
SDSU
Fresno
UNLV
SMU
Houston
Hawaii/BYU
Navy

East:
UConn
Cincy
ECU
Temple
Memphis
Tulane (thanks bball schools)
USF
UCF

Unfortunately, the BBall schools aren't gonna do **** except continue to hamstring what could be an emerging and powerful all-sports conference.

Just take your stupid ball and go...


I love these dipchits. We start a conference, build it into a nationally relavent one, invite some mid-majors and then before they even arrive they tell us to get the hell out. Ain't that some chit? Hahaha

Listen up junior, it's you guys who are leaving. We're going to keep the name the money and MSG. You guys will form a new conference. We've already done that once. Good luck Truck Driver Associate Comunity College of Western Idaho.

Turn out the lights! The party's over!

(12-10-2012 11:40 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  UC, UConn, Temple and USF stay in BE for olympic sports.

Start a nation wide FB only conference from scratch. UC, Boise, UConn
and USF anchor the league. Add usual suspects UCF, ECU, AF, Navy etc.

A true best of the rest league.

You can't have a nationwide football only conference. you've got to have 8 all sports members.

(12-11-2012 08:47 AM)Fireman451 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 08:12 AM)uccheese Wrote:  Is it possible that if the BE stops sponsoring FBall, schools like UC and UConn can keep all their other sports in the BE and join whatever the best option is for football only?

I think UC would at least consider that depending on who the other adds end up being (i.e. not Xavier).

I would assume the BE still welcomes UC, but I think it's pretty well understood that they'd still be looking to leave eventually so who knows.

That would be even more complicated I would guess. "Iff" the basketball schools kill off football it would be to separate from the football schools. They don't want them.

Big "ifs" all over this situation.

I don't think it's true that they don't want "them". They don't want SOME of them. In this scenerio, they could essentially pick and choose which fball schools to keep around for everything else.

From a UCONN fan, and a BIG reason why the BE Catholic BB schools are so upset in the first place. Still no cohesion, and the remnant FB schools did not want to be in a conference with CUSA/MWC school after all. Yet Pitt and Syracuse gets beat up and insulted over it - mostly by UCONN fans. No wonder why no one cares for UCONN on these boards...

Quote:UConn is just as good (as a total package) as Pitt, BC, or Syracuse. We're actually better. That whole situation is a little frustrating.

But we're in the Big East and we'll do our best to make the Big East a strong conference. If that's not good enough for some people, to hell with them.

Backhanded compliments all around... It's sad that the majority of the UCONN fan base that post on message boards (ever read the Boneyard forums???) have such a strong sense of entitlement.

Quote:Mike Jensen ‏@jensenoffcampus
Temple AD Bill Bradshaw told me contract with Big East states that Temple became full voting member on July 1, 2012.

Temple has a full vote you say...

(12-11-2012 09:41 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

Quote:Mike Jensen ‏@jensenoffcampus
Temple AD Bill Bradshaw told me contract with Big East states that Temple became full voting member on July 1, 2012.

Temple has a full vote you say...

Might not matter if UConn & Cincy abstain since it would be 7-2(77%) in any vote.

Could be an option for those two as they might think the ACC/B1G might let them in if they let the conference implode.

Miko33 trolling hard today. Pulling quotes from other boards and all.

(12-11-2012 09:47 AM)wildthing202 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 09:41 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

Quote:Mike Jensen ‏@jensenoffcampus
Temple AD Bill Bradshaw told me contract with Big East states that Temple became full voting member on July 1, 2012.

Temple has a full vote you say...

Might not matter if UConn & Cincy abstain since it would be 7-2(77%) in any vote.

Could be an option for those two as they might think the ACC/B1G might let them in if they let the conference implode.

Why would Cincy abstain? UC has a lot of incentive in keeping the conference together until (if?) they find a new home. I believe they have been abstaining as it relates to adding new members as a curtosy to those who plan to be here for the long haul. That doesn't have anything to do with what they would do with regards to voting to end football or the conference.

(12-11-2012 09:47 AM)wildthing202 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 09:41 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

Quote:Mike Jensen ‏@jensenoffcampus
Temple AD Bill Bradshaw told me contract with Big East states that Temple became full voting member on July 1, 2012.

Temple has a full vote you say...

Might not matter if UConn & Cincy abstain since it would be 7-2(77%) in any vote.

Could be an option for those two as they might think the ACC/B1G might let them in if they let the conference implode.

Riiiiiight. Because that's what's holding the ACC/B1G back from inviting them.

This is just the beginning of the dissolution negotiations. You can't trap schools in a league they do not want to be in, and I think for many BB-onlies Tulane all sports was the final straw - crappy BB and large travel costs. If BB-onlies truly do not have the full voting advantage (and despite Jensen's post it does not make sense that Temple would have full-voting rights until is an all sports memeber on 7/1/2013), they will use whatever leverage they have, threats of litigation, negative publicity of their desire to split to put pressure on UConn, UC and UCF [maybe Temple if they have full voting rights] to negotiate an amicable split, including (i) splitting up exit fees, (ii) disposition of teh Big East brand/MSG contract (e.g., BBs "buy" the brand & contract with give ups on exit fees, timing of split, etc. - Big East is a BB brand not FB brand so all sports members are better serve starting from scratch), and (iii) likely a BB scheduling deal between "Conf X" and new Big East for some post-split period of time (this will be important to Temple, Memphis and UConn as these are traditionally BB schools and the new all sports conference will be a football conference with a few good BB teams; case in point, Temple will have lost every potential big draw for its fairly new on-campus 10,000 seat BB arena except UConn - there is no difference in drawing power between Temple-Duquense and Temple-Tulane). This final death rattle of the Big East will be interesting to watch for the next few months. When Syracuse and Pitt left in Sept. 2011, that was Big East getting the inoperable brain cancer diagnosis; this latest move is Big East started to talk to hopsice services about "end of life" decisions.

The fb schools are in bad shape. They don't know if the ACC takes more schools or if the basketball schools leave. And all of that spills down to CUSA and Sun Belt. Possibly even the MAC.

CBS Sports Gary Parrish:

One possibility, a source said, is the non-football members forming a basketball-only league and perhaps inviting other relevant basketball schools without FBS-level football programs to join them -- schools like Butler, VCU, Xavier, Saint Louis, Dayton, George Mason and Creighton.

How much TV revenue could a league like that generate?

The answer is unclear.

But it probably wouldn't be significantly less than the roughly $1 million per year Dodd's report suggests the non-football members might get from the deal Aresco is currently trying to negotiate, and, just as important, a new basketball-only league wouldn't force schools like Georgetown and Marquette to water-down their schedules and blow their budgets playing against and traveling to schools like Tulane and Houston. In the end, that's what the non-football members must decide -- whether a few hundred-thousand dollars per year from a TV contract is worth them remaining part of a league they no longer recognize. A source said a decision, one way or another, is expected before July 1, i.e., the date Memphis, Houston, UCF and SMU are scheduled to join the Big East as all-sports members

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...-breakaway

(12-11-2012 06:47 AM)blazr Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:05 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:04 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 01:58 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  So it says that the football schools can add a member under emergency circumstances. Was Tulane voted in in this manor or did everyone vote for them?

Nobody knows how Tulane was voted in. Apparently nobody wanted them in, yet they showed up with an invite. It is truly one of the great mysteries of realignment.

That is the impression I got too.

Not exactly true. The basketball schools delivered an ultimatum on additional replacements. Tulane was the football schools' way of defying that but in a (possibly? maybe?) amenable way that they hoped would make it more palatable (ECU was really a 'whatever' for the basketball schools. Since there are still steps to taking their private consensus to the public arena and then to official decision, there's no desire for a public cage match over what are, essentially, phantom invites (i.e., real invites to a league that won't exist as an FBS conference soon).


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I'm not sure I see how Tulane is more palatable? ECU basketball is better than Tulane's and their football worlds better. Either the "BE Source" didn't know what he was talking about or the non-football schools really have no idea what they are talking about if they truly believe the quote. Despite the quote for the "BE Source," Tulane should have been what sent them over the edge. It does appear that Tulane wasn't really wanted by either side. There was really no reason to bring them aboard as a full member...and that's where I agree it appears someone (individual(s) and/or entity) is orchestrating behind the scenes.

(12-11-2012 10:20 AM)bullet Wrote:  The fb schools are in bad shape. They don't know if the ACC takes more schools or if the basketball schools leave. And all of that spills down to CUSA and Sun Belt. Possibly even the MAC.

It appears the TV deal will be significantly less regardless of whether the non-football schools stick around. In any scenario, it may be a wash for the football schools. Basketball for them obviously decreases in "image" with a split but it appears that even if the non-football schools were to stick around, they wouldn't be playing the football schools much any way.