(12-10-2012 05:26 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:26 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 01:15 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  They will jump. #1 it is only 4 road games and most MWC games need flights today. #2 on the low end they will pull $3 million just from the football only tv contract. #3 SDSU and Boise found a nice home for other sports. Fresno can easily join them or whoever else.

It makes more sense for the teams in California that can jump in the Big West. The Big West is becoming a better league with the additions of Boise, Hawaii, and SDSU. If UNLV or Fresno jumps into the Big West, the league gets even better---but more importantly, the league is largely a bus league with VERY low costs for their non-revenue sports. So for a California team or UNLV, just a small increase in football income, plus the big decreases in non-revenue sports costs is probably attractive. For Air Force or Colorado State--a Big East move might not be nearly as attractive.

UNLV's AD already said they aren't splitting up their sports

AD's never lie.....

That said, UNLV probably doesn't care about money because they earn about 40-50 million a year off the convention center complex. So, there really is no real reason for them to make a jump to the Big East. A few million is not going to make a big difference for them...so the move really doesn't make sense for them unless basketball was better in the Big West--which is not the case.

UNLV won't sacrifice its most important sport (basketball) to the Big West just to get a FB invite to the MWC. The same goes for schools that value their basketball programs like New Mexico, Nevada and Utah State and perhaps Colorado State and Wyoming. Fresno and San Jose State might bite though. Their basketball programs are not good and they can park their olympic sports in the Big West and play with the other UC and Cal State schools.

It would take a lot of money for Fresno to split it's sports. BB is on the upswing and we can't lose momentum by joining the BW. If there was an all-sports western division then we would go.

(12-10-2012 05:26 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:26 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 01:15 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  They will jump. #1 it is only 4 road games and most MWC games need flights today. #2 on the low end they will pull $3 million just from the football only tv contract. #3 SDSU and Boise found a nice home for other sports. Fresno can easily join them or whoever else.

It makes more sense for the teams in California that can jump in the Big West. The Big West is becoming a better league with the additions of Boise, Hawaii, and SDSU. If UNLV or Fresno jumps into the Big West, the league gets even better---but more importantly, the league is largely a bus league with VERY low costs for their non-revenue sports. So for a California team or UNLV, just a small increase in football income, plus the big decreases in non-revenue sports costs is probably attractive. For Air Force or Colorado State--a Big East move might not be nearly as attractive.

UNLV's AD already said they aren't splitting up their sports

AD's never lie.....

That said, UNLV probably doesn't care about money because they earn about 40-50 million a year off the convention center complex. So, there really is no real reason for them to make a jump to the Big East. A few million is not going to make a big difference for them...so the move really doesn't make sense for them unless basketball was better in the Big West--which is not the case.

UNLV won't sacrifice its most important sport (basketball) to the Big West just to get a FB invite to the MWC. The same goes for schools that value their basketball programs like New Mexico, Nevada and Utah State and perhaps Colorado State and Wyoming. Fresno and San Jose State might bite though. Their basketball programs are not good and they can park their olympic sports in the Big West and play with the other UC and Cal State schools.

I agree.

(12-10-2012 06:46 PM)1IvyDog Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 05:26 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:26 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  It makes more sense for the teams in California that can jump in the Big West. The Big West is becoming a better league with the additions of Boise, Hawaii, and SDSU. If UNLV or Fresno jumps into the Big West, the league gets even better---but more importantly, the league is largely a bus league with VERY low costs for their non-revenue sports. So for a California team or UNLV, just a small increase in football income, plus the big decreases in non-revenue sports costs is probably attractive. For Air Force or Colorado State--a Big East move might not be nearly as attractive.

UNLV's AD already said they aren't splitting up their sports

AD's never lie.....

That said, UNLV probably doesn't care about money because they earn about 40-50 million a year off the convention center complex. So, there really is no real reason for them to make a jump to the Big East. A few million is not going to make a big difference for them...so the move really doesn't make sense for them unless basketball was better in the Big West--which is not the case.

UNLV won't sacrifice its most important sport (basketball) to the Big West just to get a FB invite to the MWC. The same goes for schools that value their basketball programs like New Mexico, Nevada and Utah State and perhaps Colorado State and Wyoming. Fresno and San Jose State might bite though. Their basketball programs are not good and they can park their olympic sports in the Big West and play with the other UC and Cal State schools.

It would take a lot of money for Fresno to split it's sports. BB is on the upswing and we can't lose momentum by joining the BW. If there was an all-sports western division then we would go.

With SDSU, Boise (a now much improved program), Hawaii, and a couple of solid Big West teams, the Big West will be a pretty decent basketball conference. I suspect Fresno basketball will be fine either way. No all-sports Big East western division is ever going to happen. Thats a pipe dream.

(12-10-2012 06:46 PM)1IvyDog Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 05:26 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:26 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  It makes more sense for the teams in California that can jump in the Big West. The Big West is becoming a better league with the additions of Boise, Hawaii, and SDSU. If UNLV or Fresno jumps into the Big West, the league gets even better---but more importantly, the league is largely a bus league with VERY low costs for their non-revenue sports. So for a California team or UNLV, just a small increase in football income, plus the big decreases in non-revenue sports costs is probably attractive. For Air Force or Colorado State--a Big East move might not be nearly as attractive.

UNLV's AD already said they aren't splitting up their sports

AD's never lie.....

That said, UNLV probably doesn't care about money because they earn about 40-50 million a year off the convention center complex. So, there really is no real reason for them to make a jump to the Big East. A few million is not going to make a big difference for them...so the move really doesn't make sense for them unless basketball was better in the Big West--which is not the case.

UNLV won't sacrifice its most important sport (basketball) to the Big West just to get a FB invite to the MWC. The same goes for schools that value their basketball programs like New Mexico, Nevada and Utah State and perhaps Colorado State and Wyoming. Fresno and San Jose State might bite though. Their basketball programs are not good and they can park their olympic sports in the Big West and play with the other UC and Cal State schools.

It would take a lot of money for Fresno to split it's sports. BB is on the upswing and we can't lose momentum by joining the BW. If there was an all-sports western division then we would go.

As a Fresno fan, you know more about your school than I do. But from an outsider's perspective, basketball would survive in the Big West. Boise, Hawaii and SDSU will be there along with UC-Santa Barbara, Long Beach State, Fullerton State and Cal State-Northridge among others. The Big West is an upgrade in baseball over the MWC. So of all the MWC schools, I just can see Fresno and San Jose being interested but not ther others. I'm sure NMSU and Idaho have showed interest but I'm sure the interest isn't mutual on the Big East's side.

I would argue that - on a relative basis - Big West basketball has been the biggest conference winner in this whole mess.

They've gone from a bottom 1/3 of D1 SoCal bus league - to having solid programs simply fall in their laps.

(12-10-2012 06:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 06:46 PM)1IvyDog Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 05:26 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:26 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  UNLV's AD already said they aren't splitting up their sports

AD's never lie.....

That said, UNLV probably doesn't care about money because they earn about 40-50 million a year off the convention center complex. So, there really is no real reason for them to make a jump to the Big East. A few million is not going to make a big difference for them...so the move really doesn't make sense for them unless basketball was better in the Big West--which is not the case.

UNLV won't sacrifice its most important sport (basketball) to the Big West just to get a FB invite to the MWC. The same goes for schools that value their basketball programs like New Mexico, Nevada and Utah State and perhaps Colorado State and Wyoming. Fresno and San Jose State might bite though. Their basketball programs are not good and they can park their olympic sports in the Big West and play with the other UC and Cal State schools.

It would take a lot of money for Fresno to split it's sports. BB is on the upswing and we can't lose momentum by joining the BW. If there was an all-sports western division then we would go.

With SDSU, Boise (a now much improved program), Hawaii, and a couple of solid Big West teams, the Big West will be a pretty decent basketball conference. I suspect Fresno basketball will be fine either way. No all-sports Big East western division is ever going to happen. Thats a pipe dream.

No real loss if 2 more basketball schools end up Big West like UNLV and Fresno. That is a pretty powerful league for basketall.

(12-10-2012 05:23 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 11:36 AM)mwp1023 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 11:23 AM)techdawg88 Wrote:  I think at the by the end of this current conference realignment that Boise & San Diego St end up back in MWC. Boise fans don't seem too happy loosing travel games and rivalries & when the BE loses UCONN & Cincy there is less reason to stay

The MWC treated Boise poorly from the beginning. The Boise administration hates the MWC Commissioner. It would take a lot for them to come back.

How so? When Boise joined the MWC, they were supposed to play at TCU and the conference switched the game to Boise since TCU announced they were joining the Big East. You're confusing some Boise fans on message boards who still hold a grudge against the MWC for not inviting them sooner. But that has more to do with TCU, BYU and Utah not wanting the Broncos than Craig Thompson.

You got link ? I heard and read on MWC Boards It was more the other schools and Boise biggest support came from the 3 you said didn't want them.. And I Believe Boise President New as well as the MWC that we were playing the BCS Numbers and they were going get invited, It Just so happen the PAC had other plans.

(12-10-2012 08:47 PM)Fear The Frog Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 05:23 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 11:36 AM)mwp1023 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 11:23 AM)techdawg88 Wrote:  I think at the by the end of this current conference realignment that Boise & San Diego St end up back in MWC. Boise fans don't seem too happy loosing travel games and rivalries & when the BE loses UCONN & Cincy there is less reason to stay

The MWC treated Boise poorly from the beginning. The Boise administration hates the MWC Commissioner. It would take a lot for them to come back.

How so? When Boise joined the MWC, they were supposed to play at TCU and the conference switched the game to Boise since TCU announced they were joining the Big East. You're confusing some Boise fans on message boards who still hold a grudge against the MWC for not inviting them sooner. But that has more to do with TCU, BYU and Utah not wanting the Broncos than Craig Thompson.

You got link ? I heard and read on MWC Boards It was more the other schools and Boise biggest support came from the 3 you said didn't want them.. And I Believe Boise President New as well as the MWC that we were playing the BCS Numbers and they were going get invited, It Just so happen the PAC had other plans.

If I remember correctly Boise got rejected by the MWC in May 2010 only to getting invited days later when it was obvious the Pac-10 was going to invite Utah. The BCS numbers were there, Boise just beat TCU in the Fiesta Bowl five months before so why didn't they get invited before all this conference realignment madness began in mid 2010? If we believe what newspaper/sports columnists and the "experts" said throughtout those years is that Boise's biggest obstable was its academics not the football team.

BTW, I found a quote from the Utah president about Boise's academics:

And then there's academics -- an undeniable issue whenever university presidents sit in a meeting room. Utah president Michael Young -- chairman of the MWC board -- caused some alarm for Boise fans when he gave this backhanded compliment to the Idaho Statesman: "It's a very good school with fine, fine athletic programs. It's not, in terms of its trajectory, where some of the other schools are in our league."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/wr...z2Ehx9m2Fl

(12-10-2012 06:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 06:46 PM)1IvyDog Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 05:26 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:26 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  UNLV's AD already said they aren't splitting up their sports

AD's never lie.....

That said, UNLV probably doesn't care about money because they earn about 40-50 million a year off the convention center complex. So, there really is no real reason for them to make a jump to the Big East. A few million is not going to make a big difference for them...so the move really doesn't make sense for them unless basketball was better in the Big West--which is not the case.

UNLV won't sacrifice its most important sport (basketball) to the Big West just to get a FB invite to the MWC. The same goes for schools that value their basketball programs like New Mexico, Nevada and Utah State and perhaps Colorado State and Wyoming. Fresno and San Jose State might bite though. Their basketball programs are not good and they can park their olympic sports in the Big West and play with the other UC and Cal State schools.

It would take a lot of money for Fresno to split it's sports. BB is on the upswing and we can't lose momentum by joining the BW. If there was an all-sports western division then we would go.

With SDSU, Boise (a now much improved program), Hawaii, and a couple of solid Big West teams, the Big West will be a pretty decent basketball conference. I suspect Fresno basketball will be fine either way. No all-sports Big East western division is ever going to happen. Thats a pipe dream.

Oh really? Well that is the only way you get the MW schools over or the BE will fall apart.

The best way for the Big East to get MWC schools would be to invite four that don't have a long history with the group -- Fresno State, Nevada, UNLV, and Utah State -- while leaving the 5\6 others to regroup with the likes of Idaho, New Mexico State, and maybe Sacramento State plus two Montanas.

BIG EAST ATLANTIC (8)
UConn \ Temple
Cincinnati \ East Carolina
Memphis \ Tulane
USF \ UCF

BIG EAST PACIFIC (8)
Houston \ SMU
Boise State \ Utah State
Nevada \ UNLV
Fresno State \ SDSU

Old Dominion would actually be a better fit for this strategy than Tulane, but it is probably too late to uninvite them. The MWC gets squeezed so badly.

MWC FALLOUT (8)
Idaho \ Wyoming
Colorado State \ Air Force
New Mexico \ New Mexico State
San Jose State \ Sacramento State

FOOTBALL-ONLY (1)
Hawaii

OTHER MAYBES (2)
Montana \ Montana State

The MWC obviously has no desire to invite Idaho or NMSU, but wouldn't have a choice under this scenario, and Sacramento State keeps San Jose State from being isolated. Upgrading them also gives everyone a chance to play and recruit in California every season. Not sure what Montana and MSU prefer.

New Rule: If you don't have links from reliable news sources or media outlets, just post some of this lagniape as "what you wish would happen and....for your school--in most cases" and quit making it look like its officially off the AP news service wire.

(12-11-2012 08:11 AM)1IvyDog Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 06:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 06:46 PM)1IvyDog Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 05:26 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  AD's never lie.....

That said, UNLV probably doesn't care about money because they earn about 40-50 million a year off the convention center complex. So, there really is no real reason for them to make a jump to the Big East. A few million is not going to make a big difference for them...so the move really doesn't make sense for them unless basketball was better in the Big West--which is not the case.

UNLV won't sacrifice its most important sport (basketball) to the Big West just to get a FB invite to the MWC. The same goes for schools that value their basketball programs like New Mexico, Nevada and Utah State and perhaps Colorado State and Wyoming. Fresno and San Jose State might bite though. Their basketball programs are not good and they can park their olympic sports in the Big West and play with the other UC and Cal State schools.

It would take a lot of money for Fresno to split it's sports. BB is on the upswing and we can't lose momentum by joining the BW. If there was an all-sports western division then we would go.

With SDSU, Boise (a now much improved program), Hawaii, and a couple of solid Big West teams, the Big West will be a pretty decent basketball conference. I suspect Fresno basketball will be fine either way. No all-sports Big East western division is ever going to happen. Thats a pipe dream.

Oh really? Well that is the only way you get the MW schools over or the BE will fall apart.

Well. Im actually wrong on this. Now that the basketball schools have bolted---its actually very possible that a western all-sports division could form. The basketball schools were totally against it. With them out of the way, it very well may happen.

The delusions of grandeur boggle the mind.