(12-06-2012 09:46 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 09:40 AM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 09:30 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 09:22 AM)TripleA Wrote:  If the west could support a second all sports league and make great TV money, it would have done it already, but the MWC lost all its best teams.

I wish some of the ******* trolls that have been here for the last few weeks would get this statement into their tiny ******* skulls and understand it.

If the east could support even one all sports league and make great TV money, it would have done it already, but the Big East lost all its best teams. And now even their mid level schools are leaving.

There are good programs on both sides of the country. The only question is which conference can capture those in the Pacific, Mountain and Central time zones. Both conferences are trying to structure or restructure their television programs so that they can do so. The game ain't over yet folks.

I wish some of the ******* homers that have been here for the last few weeks would get this statement into their tiny ******* skulls and understand it.

Yoda out...

Ya mad bro? No one in the Big East gives a **** that you think the MWC can be a big time conference, that is, assuming they poach Big East teams. That has about as much chance as ants building rockets to Jupiter. You post nothing useful here, discuss nothing useful, you don't even post anything funny, it's just straight up ******* trolling. Please take your lame ass dog and pony show back to your MWC board. This is the Big East board and Fresno is not a member (yet).

X2

"The BIg East brand is extremely valuable"

What exactly does that mean ? Its extremely valuable because you have big markets ? From a national perspective and football standpoint I'd say the brand is severely damaged from all the defections. Not to mention even more so if UConn leaves.

(12-06-2012 09:46 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  Ya mad bro? No one in the Big East gives a **** that you think the MWC can be a big time conference, that is, assuming they poach Big East teams. That has about as much chance as ants building rockets to Jupiter. You post nothing useful here, discuss nothing useful, you don't even post anything funny, it's just straight up ******* trolling. Please take your lame ass dog and pony show back to your MWC board. This is the Big East board and Fresno is not a member (yet).

No, I'm not mad. And I'm not trolling. But if you are going to put up arrogant, ignorant, insulting posts, you should probably expect to have them thrown back in your face. Duh...

Yoda out...

(12-06-2012 09:50 AM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 09:46 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  Ya mad bro? No one in the Big East gives a **** that you think the MWC can be a big time conference, that is, assuming they poach Big East teams. That has about as much chance as ants building rockets to Jupiter. You post nothing useful here, discuss nothing useful, you don't even post anything funny, it's just straight up ******* trolling. Please take your lame ass dog and pony show back to your MWC board. This is the Big East board and Fresno is not a member (yet).

No, I'm not mad. And I'm not trolling. But if you are going to put up arrogant, ignorant, insulting posts, you should probably expect to have them thrown back in your face. Duh...

Yoda out...

"In Internet slang, a troll (play /ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is someone who posts inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."

In other words, when every post is about the MWC/fantasy western conference on another conference's board, it's trolling.

(12-06-2012 09:55 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 09:50 AM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 09:46 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  Ya mad bro? No one in the Big East gives a **** that you think the MWC can be a big time conference, that is, assuming they poach Big East teams. That has about as much chance as ants building rockets to Jupiter. You post nothing useful here, discuss nothing useful, you don't even post anything funny, it's just straight up ******* trolling. Please take your lame ass dog and pony show back to your MWC board. This is the Big East board and Fresno is not a member (yet).

No, I'm not mad. And I'm not trolling. But if you are going to put up arrogant, ignorant, insulting posts, you should probably expect to have them thrown back in your face. Duh...

Yoda out...

"In Internet slang, a troll (play /ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is someone who posts inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."

In other words, when every post is about the MWC/fantasy western conference on another conference's board, it's trolling.

Proclaiming approximate equality is not inflammatory, extraneous or off topic. However...

"If the west could support a second all sports league and make great TV money, it would have done it already, but the MWC lost all its best teams."... and "I wish some of the ******* trolls that have been here for the last few weeks would get this statement into their tiny ******* skulls and understand it." are. Which would seem to suggest that you are the troll, not me.

Now can we move on? You're boring me and your rant is not only inflammatory but it is extraneous and off topic.

Yoda out...

(12-06-2012 08:56 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 08:52 AM)dbacard Wrote:  I wish Aresco had been around five years ago with his vision and planning. It would look a lot different.

I'm not sure what differently he could have done.

IMO, the only thing that might have saved the Big East as a football power is if we'd taken that $13m a team deal that ESPN offered us two years ago. That would have dramatically boosted our revenue and just MAYBE, made the ACC and Big 12 less attractive to WVU/Pitt/SYR.

Probably not, but maybe.

Here's the thing, I believe teams in the central time zone would rather be with teams in the eastern time zone than in the mountain and western. That hurts the idea that the MWC is going to pull Houston and SMU in with BSU and SDSU. Houston was approached by the MWC back when it had the whole gang and wasn't interested in going then.

(12-06-2012 08:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I wish Aresco had been around five years ago with his vision and planning. It would look a lot different.

I doubt it would have mattered much. The only thing the BE could have done differently would have been adding a couple of schools earlier. The Prez wanted to protect income and never would have gone along. There was nothing anyone could have done to stop the raids. Adding a couple of schools 2 or 3 years ago would have sped up their development, and possibly the overall view of what is left, but wouldn't have been a game changer.

(12-06-2012 09:22 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 09:15 AM)k5james Wrote:  He talks a good game but so far his actions have been lacking. Hopefully he knocks it out of the park with the TV deal.

You guys realize the presidents vote on the additions, not the commish, right? Doesn't do him any good to nominate teams that can't get the votes. Tulane is the only puzzling addition so far, probably a compromise all sports candidate, given the schools who could actually vote (7-3 BB). All the other adds made sense, for one reason, or another.

And reality check, this is an eastern-based football league with an emphasis on basketball, much like the ACC.

It was our failure to recognize this fact that doomed us. For over a decade now, the ACC has realized that there was only room for, at most, one football power along the atlantic seaboard, wedged between the SEC and B1G. The ACC realized that in the long run the Big East's mere existence as a football AQ was a mortal threat to the ACC, and so they acted accordingly by attacking our membership in 2003.

We survived that attempted death-blow, but we didn't learn the Big Lesson. In 2010, when the ACC saw us about to sign a media deal that rivalled theirs, they knew they had to strike quickly and did.

We should have had the foresight to recognize that we were at war with the ACC. We could have signed that media deal with ESPN and then tried to woo Boston College and maybe VT back to the Big East, crippling the ACC.

But our leadership was asleep at the wheel and the ACC struck first.

(12-06-2012 09:50 AM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 09:46 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  Ya mad bro? No one in the Big East gives a **** that you think the MWC can be a big time conference, that is, assuming they poach Big East teams. That has about as much chance as ants building rockets to Jupiter. You post nothing useful here, discuss nothing useful, you don't even post anything funny, it's just straight up ******* trolling. Please take your lame ass dog and pony show back to your MWC board. This is the Big East board and Fresno is not a member (yet).

No, I'm not mad. And I'm not trolling. But if you are going to put up arrogant, ignorant, insulting posts, you should probably expect to have them thrown back in your face. Duh...

Yoda out...

Why don't we just stop with the smack and have a mostly civil and respectful conversation.

If the western programs could have put together a conference that would generate the level of income that the combination of the western programs and the BE together can potentially generate, they would indeed have already done so.

Of course there are indeed advantages for the eastern programs to partner with our western programs.....it should be a win/win for all of us; or we wouldn't be hooked together.

Like it or not, we're all in the same boat and this is the best available opportunity that we currently have.

I stopped following McDumb@ss when he was hired by Espin because I knew this type of BS was likely to follow.

Again, I have to ask, why does ESPN single out the Big East here? I'm sorry, but every league is basically spread out and how is Tulane/Boise any different than Maryland/Illinois or WV/Iowa St or Rutgers/Indiana?

(12-06-2012 10:05 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 08:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I wish Aresco had been around five years ago with his vision and planning. It would look a lot different.

I doubt it would have mattered much. The only thing the BE could have done differently would have been adding a couple of schools earlier. The Prez wanted to protect income and never would have gone along. There was nothing anyone could have done to stop the raids. Adding a couple of schools 2 or 3 years ago would have sped up their development, and possibly the overall view of what is left, but wouldn't have been a game changer.

What just might have changed the game was to sign that 2010 media deal then struck the ACC by offering bids to BC and say VT. We could have MAYBE crippled the ACC before the did it to us.

But despite the ACC attack of 2003, our 2004-2011 leadership never recognized we were in a death struggle with the ACC and so were once again blindsided.

(12-06-2012 10:00 AM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 09:55 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 09:50 AM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 09:46 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  Ya mad bro? No one in the Big East gives a **** that you think the MWC can be a big time conference, that is, assuming they poach Big East teams. That has about as much chance as ants building rockets to Jupiter. You post nothing useful here, discuss nothing useful, you don't even post anything funny, it's just straight up ******* trolling. Please take your lame ass dog and pony show back to your MWC board. This is the Big East board and Fresno is not a member (yet).

No, I'm not mad. And I'm not trolling. But if you are going to put up arrogant, ignorant, insulting posts, you should probably expect to have them thrown back in your face. Duh...

Yoda out...

"In Internet slang, a troll (play /ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is someone who posts inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."

In other words, when every post is about the MWC/fantasy western conference on another conference's board, it's trolling.

Proclaiming approximate equality is not inflammatory, extraneous or off topic. However...

"If the west could support a second all sports league and make great TV money, it would have done it already, but the MWC lost all its best teams."... and "I wish some of the ******* trolls that have been here for the last few weeks would get this statement into their tiny ******* skulls and understand it." are. Which would seem to suggest that you are the troll, not me.

Now can we move on? You're boring me and your rant is not only inflammatory but it is extraneous and off topic.

Yoda out...

Oh now you want to move on, after two weeks of polluting every thread with the same dumb ****. Let me ask you, did I say Yoda in my original post? Ah, I did not, but yet you felt it was directed at you, can't imagine why you would think that unless it was a true statement. You're the one who wants to have these discussions about another conference on this board, I'm not on the MWC board talking up the Big East am I? Your **** is off topic here, all day, every day. If you want to talk MWC, there's a place for that, if you want to talk about the Big East, this is the place for that, but pick one and stick to the ******* topics of that board already. Two *** **** weeks of this **** has been plenty.

(12-06-2012 10:05 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Here's the thing, I believe teams in the central time zone would rather be with teams in the eastern time zone than in the mountain and western. That hurts the idea that the MWC is going to pull Houston and SMU in with BSU and SDSU. Houston was approached by the MWC back when it had the whole gang and wasn't interested in going then.

I would also think that would be the case overall, although this MWC proposal is kind of a mini-version of the Pac-16 plan with Texas et. al moving over, so there are a lot of interests in the state that look toward the west as opposed to the east. (UT-Austin was clearly in that boat.) The state of Texas really could go either way, which is why it's a market that conceivably every conference from coast-to-coast could fight to break into.

(12-06-2012 10:05 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Here's the thing, I believe teams in the central time zone would rather be with teams in the eastern time zone than in the mountain and western. That hurts the idea that the MWC is going to pull Houston and SMU in with BSU and SDSU. Houston was approached by the MWC back when it had the whole gang and wasn't interested in going then.

You might well be right. The thing is, if (and it is a huge if) the MWC could get Boise State and San Diego State back, then they might also have persuaded BYU to rejoin as they would have an easier route to a BCS bowl game than they have as an Indy. At that point, Houston & SMU would have had the option of staying east, going west or rejoining C-USA. C-USA would be more Sun Belt than C-USA at that point and, without BSU, SDSU and potentially UConn & Cincinnati, the BE wouldn't have been very attractive either. But they still might have preferred it over the MWC.

Yoda out...

(12-06-2012 09:40 AM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 09:30 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 09:22 AM)TripleA Wrote:  If the west could support a second all sports league and make great TV money, it would have done it already, but the MWC lost all its best teams.

I wish some of the ******* trolls that have been here for the last few weeks would get this statement into their tiny ******* skulls and understand it.

If the east could support even one all sports league and make great TV money, it would have done it already, but the Big East lost all its best teams. And now even their mid level schools are begging to be rescued by quality conferences.

There are good programs on both sides of the country. The only question is which conference can capture those in the Pacific, Mountain and Central time zones. Both conferences are trying to structure or restructure their television programs so that they can do so. The game ain't over yet folks.

I wish some of the ******* homers that have been here for the last few weeks would get this statement into their tiny ******* skulls and understand it.

Yoda out...

Other than California and Texas---there arent enough people in the west to ever entice a large contract from the networks. California has 37 million people. Texas has 26 million. Move past the next biggest western states Colorado (5.7 million) and Washington (6.7 million)---you'll find the remaining states all have between 1-4 million people. Most have less than 3 million. Being a distant second in California and completely absent from Texas leaves the Mountain West offering far too small an audience to ever command a significant contract from the networks. I'm guessing that Aresco would like to add enough western teams to give the western division a western flavor and to access the California markets.

Assuming BYU and Air Force are not coming. Fresno makes sense. Colorado St would make the most sense after that. After Colorado, none of the other available teams have a state market in excess of 3 million other than San Jose St (which could explain why there are rumors that Tulsa is getting a look).

(12-06-2012 08:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 08:52 AM)dbacard Wrote:  I wish Aresco had been around five years ago with his vision and planning. It would look a lot different.

Maybe, but I'm not convinced it would have made any difference in regards to teams leaving. Certainly better to have him now, than anybody else.

The problem the BE found itself in probably could not have been avoided but where they went wrong is by not realizing where they were and what was likely to happen going forward. In 2004/2005 they lost VT, BC and Miami and jettisoned Temple and back-filled with Cinn, Louisville and USF to stay at 8 teams. I understand why they stopped there as they looked around and saw no other schools to add immediate help. However, this was their mistake, they looked at the immediate benefit of other schools and not the long term implications. You think the PAC, ACC, SEC and BIG 10 are that short sighted?

They could have added a number of schools at that point in 2004-2005 with good long term potential, even if football only adds. There is no doubt that if UCF, Memphis, ECU and say S. Miss for example had been added in 2004/2005 (while the BCS was in full swing and all the recruiting advantages that brought) that by now their programs would be strengths for the BE at this point.

They could have even made a western move then and added 4 western football only schools, put Cinn and Louisville in the western division and had a nice 12 team conference for football.

None of these might have kept Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, WVa or Rutgers from leaving- although it would have helped a good deal having much better football by now and made the decision somewhat harder.

The big fault of the BE was not being proactive but reactive. You can argue that they could not have seen the first round (VT, Miami and BC) coming but after that they still stood pat instead of moving forward with long term football improvment.

(12-06-2012 10:12 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  Oh now you want to move on, after two weeks of polluting every thread with the same dumb ****. Let me ask you, did I say Yoda in my original post? Ah, I did not, but yet you felt it was directed at you, can't imagine why you would think that unless it was a true statement. You're the one who wants to have these discussions about another conference on this board, I'm not on the MWC board talking up the Big East am I? Your **** is off topic here, all day, every day. If you want to talk MWC, there's a place for that, if you want to talk about the Big East, this is the place for that, but pick one and stick to the ******* topics of that board already. Two *** **** weeks of this **** has been plenty.

Have a nice day son. I'm sure you'll make it through puberty soon enough.

Now I'm done with you. So shoo...

Yoda out...

(12-06-2012 10:08 AM)TigerFan444 Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 10:05 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 08:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I wish Aresco had been around five years ago with his vision and planning. It would look a lot different.

I doubt it would have mattered much. The only thing the BE could have done differently would have been adding a couple of schools earlier. The Prez wanted to protect income and never would have gone along. There was nothing anyone could have done to stop the raids. Adding a couple of schools 2 or 3 years ago would have sped up their development, and possibly the overall view of what is left, but wouldn't have been a game changer.

What just might have changed the game was to sign that 2010 media deal then struck the ACC by offering bids to BC and say VT. We could have MAYBE crippled the ACC before the did it to us.

But despite the ACC attack of 2003, our 2004-2011 leadership never recognized we were in a death struggle with the ACC and so were once again blindsided.

That was never going to happen. The second the ACC raided the Big East the first time it cemented the fact that the BE is behind them. Teams wouldn't turn down invites from them out of fear that if they say no others in the Big East would say yes and leave them behind in a further crippled league. How long will people from the Big East, C-USA, and the MWC continue to believe that raiding from above is possible under any realistic circumstances? It's not, and the second everyone realizes and accepts that the better things will be for everyone.

(12-06-2012 10:16 AM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 10:12 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  Oh now you want to move on, after two weeks of polluting every thread with the same dumb ****. Let me ask you, did I say Yoda in my original post? Ah, I did not, but yet you felt it was directed at you, can't imagine why you would think that unless it was a true statement. You're the one who wants to have these discussions about another conference on this board, I'm not on the MWC board talking up the Big East am I? Your **** is off topic here, all day, every day. If you want to talk MWC, there's a place for that, if you want to talk about the Big East, this is the place for that, but pick one and stick to the ******* topics of that board already. Two *** **** weeks of this **** has been plenty.

Have a nice day son. I'm sure you'll make it through puberty soon enough.

Now I'm done with you.

Yoda out...

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