After re-reading 24 pages of this thread, I'm going to offer a point . . . I have reached a point where I frankly no longer care what the per-school revenue from a television deal equals . . . I just want a television deal that includes regular Big East games times at 11 a.m., 3 p.m., and 7 p.m. on a national network/major cable provider that markets the hell out of its product and doesn't spend every waking minute trying to denigrate its members . . . our football teams and universities take care of everything else . . .

(12-05-2012 10:17 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 09:57 AM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  It's just interesting that the CUSA fans think by adding BSU/SDSU/UCONN/Cincy and the bb schools the contract will go up from under 1 million per team to around 10 million per team. Thats what you guys are thinking right? I know a couple days ago it was at the 15/per number based on the threads on this board.

Things that are (were?) widely believed.

1. All college football is worth money to televise.
1a. So if you have a league with the ability to run 5 games on Saturday at 11 am/2 pm/5 pm/8pm/11pm Eastern, TV will be so thankful for filling their Saturday lineup that they will throw crazy money at you.

2. Market presence matters more than market penetration. HAving a team in Houston/Dallas/New York/etc matters a lot more than whether or not that team has a following in H/DFW/NY/etc.

3. A marketing campaign and a "Big East" tag can convince people (TV executives, fans, I'm not sure who exactly) that the New Big East schools are now playing Big Boy Football and should be paid/ watched/ tickets-sold accordingly.

4. Recent positive signs are not fleeting blips on a screen but solid evidence of a growth trend that will continue, and past evidence to the contrary is no longer relevant.

5. NBC/Comcast is desperate to spend big money on content so as to build an ESPN competitor, and not overly choosy about what they're buying.

6. Magic!

(12-05-2012 01:56 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  After re-reading 24 pages of this thread, I'm going to offer a point . . . I have reached a point where I frankly no longer care what the per-school revenue from a television deal equals . . . I just want a television deal that includes regular Big East games times at 11 a.m., 3 p.m., and 7 p.m. on a national network/major cable provider that markets the hell out of its product and doesn't spend every waking minute trying to denigrate its members . . . our football teams and universities take care of everything else . . .

I agree.

And I would suggest you re-set your default reader to either 50 or 100 posts per page, rather than 10.

(12-05-2012 01:56 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  After re-reading 24 pages of this thread, I'm going to offer a point . . . I have reached a point where I frankly no longer care what the per-school revenue from a television deal equals . . .

This sounds like someone who no longer expects big TV dollars. Like me.

(12-05-2012 01:56 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  After re-reading 24 pages of this thread, I'm going to offer a point . . .

Ihave a point: you need to change your settings if this thread is 24 pages for you.

(12-05-2012 03:19 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 01:56 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  After re-reading 24 pages of this thread, I'm going to offer a point . . .

Ihave a point: you need to change your settings if this thread is 24 pages for you.

Naah. Makes it easier if you ever do want to navigate back, or if you want to drop in on a thread you've been ignoring if it hits 12 or 20 pages for no obvious reason.

(12-05-2012 02:52 PM)TigerFan444 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 01:56 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  After re-reading 24 pages of this thread, I'm going to offer a point . . . I have reached a point where I frankly no longer care what the per-school revenue from a television deal equals . . .

This sounds like someone who no longer expects big TV dollars. Like me.

I still expect this television deal to be at or around $10 million per all sports school (before losing Rutgers/Louisville, I expected $13 million) . . . my point, is that I don't care if its $6 million or $16 million . . . for me, it's now about a television partner who will work together with the Big East rather than against us . . . and I'll take less for that long-term commitment . . .

* I leave it at 10 posts per page because it's easier to navigate new posts . . . just what I'm comfortable with.

(12-05-2012 03:43 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 02:52 PM)TigerFan444 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 01:56 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  After re-reading 24 pages of this thread, I'm going to offer a point . . . I have reached a point where I frankly no longer care what the per-school revenue from a television deal equals . . .

This sounds like someone who no longer expects big TV dollars. Like me.

I still expect this television deal to be at or around $10 million per all sports school (before losing Rutgers/Louisville, I expected $13 million) . . . my point, is that I don't care if its $6 million or $16 million . . . for me, it's now about a television partner who will work together with the Big East rather than against us . . . and I'll take less for that long-term commitment . . .

* I leave it at 10 posts per page because it's easier to navigate new posts . . . just what I'm comfortable with.

I get your point about the value of a long-term commitment, but IMO we should try to get as much cash as we can right now. I just don't see the college football landscape as being amenable to long term commitments of any kind these days. Everything seems to be in flux.

(12-05-2012 03:48 PM)TigerFan444 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 03:43 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 02:52 PM)TigerFan444 Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 01:56 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  After re-reading 24 pages of this thread, I'm going to offer a point . . . I have reached a point where I frankly no longer care what the per-school revenue from a television deal equals . . .

This sounds like someone who no longer expects big TV dollars. Like me.

I still expect this television deal to be at or around $10 million per all sports school (before losing Rutgers/Louisville, I expected $13 million) . . . my point, is that I don't care if its $6 million or $16 million . . . for me, it's now about a television partner who will work together with the Big East rather than against us . . . and I'll take less for that long-term commitment . . .

* I leave it at 10 posts per page because it's easier to navigate new posts . . . just what I'm comfortable with.

I get your point about the value of a long-term commitment, but IMO we should try to get as much cash as we can right now. I just don't see the college football landscape as being amenable to long term commitments of any kind these days. Everything seems to be in flux.

I would be happy with a $8 million/5-7 year deal with NBCSports (with their option at $15-20/10-15 years subject to arbitration) with the following guarantees (all times CST):

NBC:
(1) Five Saturdays, at last 1 game each Saturday from among these time slots 11 a.m., 3 p.m., 7 p.m. and 11 p.m.
(2) Five Saturdays, at last 2 game each Saturday from among these time slots 11 a.m., 3 p.m., 7 p.m. and 11 p.m.
(3) Three Saturdays, NBC's option from among these time slots 11 a.m., 3 p.m., 7 p.m. and 11 p.m.
(4) Big East Championship Game - Saturday at 7 p.m.

NBCSports:
(1) Thursday night 7 p.m. (NBC's option);
(2) Friday night 7 p.m. (NBC's option);
(3) Saturday at least three games from 11 a.m., 3 p.m., 7 p.m. and 11 p.m.

Bowl Games:
NBCSports commits to a development deal with an existing bowl game (Alamo Bowl, Texas Bowl, Holiday Bowl, etc.) to pair the Big East team not in a BCS Bowl with a #2/#3 team from the BIG/PAC-12/Big XII, to move this bowl game on par in terms of Capital One, Cotton, etc.

Put in well-defined benchmarks in terms of Nielsen/Arbitron ratings, game attendance, final season national rankings, bowl wins, etc. . . then it's up to us to prove the deal makes sense for NBCSports to option the contract . . . or we are out on our asses . . .

For those of us who guessed under $10 million, we may be looking pretty smart after the latest CBS article. If you guessed under $6 million you're probably even closer to the true number.

If it's $4 million per full member, I just can't see keeping the western schools for that.

The moving target of who will be in the surviving Big East is not good for Aresco's negotiating.

(12-06-2012 01:56 PM)Fireman451 Wrote:  For those of us who guessed under $10 million, we may be looking pretty smart after the latest CBS article. If you guessed under $6 million you're probably even closer to the true number.

If it's $4 million per full member, I just can't see keeping the western schools for that.

The moving target of who will be in the surviving Big East is not good for Aresco's negotiating.

(12-06-2012 01:56 PM)Fireman451 Wrote:  For those of us who guessed under $10 million, we may be looking pretty smart after the latest CBS article. If you guessed under $6 million you're probably even closer to the true number.

I'm in that group, and I don't put much stock in that number--it has to be a misrepresetnation or a misunderstanding of something. "15 schools" should be the clue to that.

Quote:If it's $4 million per full member, I just can't see keeping the western schools for that.

The moving target of who will be in the surviving Big East is not good for Aresco's negotiating.