Top four teams of the 1980's were consistently Georgetown, Syracuse, St. John's, and Villanova. BC was a step behind, then PC, with Pitt and UConn in the third tier and Seton Hall at the bottom.

(11-05-2012 02:00 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Top four teams of the 1980's were consistently Georgetown, Syracuse, St. John's, and Villanova. BC was a step behind, then PC, with Pitt and UConn in the third tier and Seton Hall at the bottom.

Bottom? SHU made the Final Four in '89, lost the championship game by one free throw.

(11-05-2012 10:12 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Weiss' article was about the A-10, not Syracuse.

The A-10 gets a few more ticket sales but doesn't change the fact that it's a weaker conference and is banking on Butler and VCU to be national powers. Neither are good long-term options.

Syracuse will probably draw slightly fewer TV viewers for the simple fact that NYC doesn't care about Clemson or Miami or VTech. As long as they're winning, people will show up inside the Dome for the Orangemen. The first season Hopkins goes 18-13, watch out.

I'm an A-10 fan. We are a weaker conference than the Big East. Even if we dumped Fordham and added Creighton and George Mason, we wouldn't catch the Big East.

But I do like the Brooklyn tournament for the A-10. Most of the people attending the tournaments, regardless of the conference are going to be alumni of the schools involved. But there will be a minor increase in exposure by being in the market center.

(11-05-2012 02:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:12 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Weiss' article was about the A-10, not Syracuse.

The A-10 gets a few more ticket sales but doesn't change the fact that it's a weaker conference and is banking on Butler and VCU to be national powers. Neither are good long-term options.

Syracuse will probably draw slightly fewer TV viewers for the simple fact that NYC doesn't care about Clemson or Miami or VTech. As long as they're winning, people will show up inside the Dome for the Orangemen. The first season Hopkins goes 18-13, watch out.

I'm an A-10 fan. We are a weaker conference than the Big East. Even if we dumped Fordham and added Creighton and George Mason, we wouldn't catch the Big East.

But I do like the Brooklyn tournament for the A-10. Most of the people attending the tournaments, regardless of the conference are going to be alumni of the schools involved. But there will be a minor increase in exposure by being in the market center.

I think it will help with attendance because of the amount of alumni living in NYC and the Big Apple is a bigger draw to fans and alum outside the NYC area to visit than AC. Especially now that the shore has been devastated.

(11-05-2012 02:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:12 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Weiss' article was about the A-10, not Syracuse.

The A-10 gets a few more ticket sales but doesn't change the fact that it's a weaker conference and is banking on Butler and VCU to be national powers. Neither are good long-term options.

Syracuse will probably draw slightly fewer TV viewers for the simple fact that NYC doesn't care about Clemson or Miami or VTech. As long as they're winning, people will show up inside the Dome for the Orangemen. The first season Hopkins goes 18-13, watch out.

I'm an A-10 fan. We are a weaker conference than the Big East. Even if we dumped Fordham and added Creighton and George Mason, we wouldn't catch the Big East.

But I do like the Brooklyn tournament for the A-10. Most of the people attending the tournaments, regardless of the conference are going to be alumni of the schools involved. But there will be a minor increase in exposure by being in the market center.

I don't think the new teams coming into your league would echo that sentiment...not b/c it isn't by far the most likely scenario but because who's to say. Many never thought Cuse would go to the ACC either. Your league could have rolled over like some others that I won't mention as a result of realignment. Instead you add 2 teams that have 3 final fours in the last 3 years b/n them, 2 of the hottest young coaches in the country, and you move your championship to the newest NBA arena to be played the same week at as the BET. All this while the BE is as vulnerable as ever. C'mon man, I'm not falling for that "nothing to see here" routine. Arecso's watching believe that.

Btw I went to Rutgers during the transition from from the A-10 to the BE. Although I was/am a SHU fan one thing I do know is that A-10 fans are extremely prideful while pragmatic. Back then they would never admit that they couldn't catch-up to the BE someday. I did always think they were full of it though!

(11-05-2012 02:31 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 02:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:12 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Weiss' article was about the A-10, not Syracuse.

The A-10 gets a few more ticket sales but doesn't change the fact that it's a weaker conference and is banking on Butler and VCU to be national powers. Neither are good long-term options.

Syracuse will probably draw slightly fewer TV viewers for the simple fact that NYC doesn't care about Clemson or Miami or VTech. As long as they're winning, people will show up inside the Dome for the Orangemen. The first season Hopkins goes 18-13, watch out.

I'm an A-10 fan. We are a weaker conference than the Big East. Even if we dumped Fordham and added Creighton and George Mason, we wouldn't catch the Big East.

But I do like the Brooklyn tournament for the A-10. Most of the people attending the tournaments, regardless of the conference are going to be alumni of the schools involved. But there will be a minor increase in exposure by being in the market center.

I don't think the new teams coming into your league would echo that sentiment...not b/c it isn't by far the most likely scenario but because who's to say. Many never thought Cuse would go to the ACC either. Your league could have rolled over like some others that I won't mention as a result of realignment. Instead you add 2 teams that have 3 final fours in the last 3 years b/n them, 2 of the hottest young coaches in the country, and you move your championship to the newest NBA arena to be played the same week at as the BET. All this while the BE is as vulnerable as ever. C'mon man, I'm not falling for that "nothing to see here" routine. Arecso's watching believe that.

Btw I went to Rutgers during the transition from from the A-10 to the BE. Although I was/am a SHU fan one thing I do know is that A-10 fans are extremely prideful while pragmatic. Back then they would never admit that they couldn't catch-up to the BE someday. I did always think they were full of it though!

Oh, I think the A-10 did do well in realignment. Its just its going to be very hard for the A-10 to pass Memphis, Georgetown, Villanova, Cincy, and Louisville. Losing Pitt and Syracuse hurt you guys. Adding Temple and Memphis took some of that back.

I'd love for the A-10 to overtake the Big East. I just don't see it happening soon. We're making good moves, and we're getting in the neighborhood, but....not quite there.

(11-05-2012 02:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 02:31 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 02:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:12 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Weiss' article was about the A-10, not Syracuse.

The A-10 gets a few more ticket sales but doesn't change the fact that it's a weaker conference and is banking on Butler and VCU to be national powers. Neither are good long-term options.

Syracuse will probably draw slightly fewer TV viewers for the simple fact that NYC doesn't care about Clemson or Miami or VTech. As long as they're winning, people will show up inside the Dome for the Orangemen. The first season Hopkins goes 18-13, watch out.

I'm an A-10 fan. We are a weaker conference than the Big East. Even if we dumped Fordham and added Creighton and George Mason, we wouldn't catch the Big East.

But I do like the Brooklyn tournament for the A-10. Most of the people attending the tournaments, regardless of the conference are going to be alumni of the schools involved. But there will be a minor increase in exposure by being in the market center.

I don't think the new teams coming into your league would echo that sentiment...not b/c it isn't by far the most likely scenario but because who's to say. Many never thought Cuse would go to the ACC either. Your league could have rolled over like some others that I won't mention as a result of realignment. Instead you add 2 teams that have 3 final fours in the last 3 years b/n them, 2 of the hottest young coaches in the country, and you move your championship to the newest NBA arena to be played the same week at as the BET. All this while the BE is as vulnerable as ever. C'mon man, I'm not falling for that "nothing to see here" routine. Arecso's watching believe that.

Btw I went to Rutgers during the transition from from the A-10 to the BE. Although I was/am a SHU fan one thing I do know is that A-10 fans are extremely prideful while pragmatic. Back then they would never admit that they couldn't catch-up to the BE someday. I did always think they were full of it though!

Oh, I think the A-10 did do well in realignment. Its just its going to be very hard for the A-10 to pass Memphis, Georgetown, Villanova, Cincy, and Louisville. Losing Pitt and Syracuse hurt you guys. Adding Temple and Memphis took some of that back.

I'd love for the A-10 to overtake the Big East. I just don't see it happening soon. We're making good moves, and we're getting in the neighborhood, but....not quite there.

I think the A-10 is in the top 6 BBall conferences. Way better than the Pac-12.

(11-05-2012 02:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 02:31 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 02:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:12 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Weiss' article was about the A-10, not Syracuse.

The A-10 gets a few more ticket sales but doesn't change the fact that it's a weaker conference and is banking on Butler and VCU to be national powers. Neither are good long-term options.

Syracuse will probably draw slightly fewer TV viewers for the simple fact that NYC doesn't care about Clemson or Miami or VTech. As long as they're winning, people will show up inside the Dome for the Orangemen. The first season Hopkins goes 18-13, watch out.

I'm an A-10 fan. We are a weaker conference than the Big East. Even if we dumped Fordham and added Creighton and George Mason, we wouldn't catch the Big East.

But I do like the Brooklyn tournament for the A-10. Most of the people attending the tournaments, regardless of the conference are going to be alumni of the schools involved. But there will be a minor increase in exposure by being in the market center.

I don't think the new teams coming into your league would echo that sentiment...not b/c it isn't by far the most likely scenario but because who's to say. Many never thought Cuse would go to the ACC either. Your league could have rolled over like some others that I won't mention as a result of realignment. Instead you add 2 teams that have 3 final fours in the last 3 years b/n them, 2 of the hottest young coaches in the country, and you move your championship to the newest NBA arena to be played the same week at as the BET. All this while the BE is as vulnerable as ever. C'mon man, I'm not falling for that "nothing to see here" routine. Arecso's watching believe that.

Btw I went to Rutgers during the transition from from the A-10 to the BE. Although I was/am a SHU fan one thing I do know is that A-10 fans are extremely prideful while pragmatic. Back then they would never admit that they couldn't catch-up to the BE someday. I did always think they were full of it though!

Oh, I think the A-10 did do well in realignment. Its just its going to be very hard for the A-10 to pass Memphis, Georgetown, Villanova, Cincy, and Louisville. Losing Pitt and Syracuse hurt you guys. Adding Temple and Memphis took some of that back.

I'd love for the A-10 to overtake the Big East. I just don't see it happening soon. We're making good moves, and we're getting in the neighborhood, but....not quite there.

(11-05-2012 02:40 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 02:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 02:31 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 02:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:12 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Weiss' article was about the A-10, not Syracuse.

The A-10 gets a few more ticket sales but doesn't change the fact that it's a weaker conference and is banking on Butler and VCU to be national powers. Neither are good long-term options.

Syracuse will probably draw slightly fewer TV viewers for the simple fact that NYC doesn't care about Clemson or Miami or VTech. As long as they're winning, people will show up inside the Dome for the Orangemen. The first season Hopkins goes 18-13, watch out.

I'm an A-10 fan. We are a weaker conference than the Big East. Even if we dumped Fordham and added Creighton and George Mason, we wouldn't catch the Big East.

But I do like the Brooklyn tournament for the A-10. Most of the people attending the tournaments, regardless of the conference are going to be alumni of the schools involved. But there will be a minor increase in exposure by being in the market center.

I don't think the new teams coming into your league would echo that sentiment...not b/c it isn't by far the most likely scenario but because who's to say. Many never thought Cuse would go to the ACC either. Your league could have rolled over like some others that I won't mention as a result of realignment. Instead you add 2 teams that have 3 final fours in the last 3 years b/n them, 2 of the hottest young coaches in the country, and you move your championship to the newest NBA arena to be played the same week at as the BET. All this while the BE is as vulnerable as ever. C'mon man, I'm not falling for that "nothing to see here" routine. Arecso's watching believe that.

Btw I went to Rutgers during the transition from from the A-10 to the BE. Although I was/am a SHU fan one thing I do know is that A-10 fans are extremely prideful while pragmatic. Back then they would never admit that they couldn't catch-up to the BE someday. I did always think they were full of it though!

Oh, I think the A-10 did do well in realignment. Its just its going to be very hard for the A-10 to pass Memphis, Georgetown, Villanova, Cincy, and Louisville. Losing Pitt and Syracuse hurt you guys. Adding Temple and Memphis took some of that back.

I'd love for the A-10 to overtake the Big East. I just don't see it happening soon. We're making good moves, and we're getting in the neighborhood, but....not quite there.

I think the A-10 is in the top 6 BBall conferences. Way better than the Pac-12.

Agreed...make no mistake even after they loose Temple the A-10's future is much brighter (new tv deal too).

(11-05-2012 12:58 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  ...Can we stay in the BE for BB and the ACC for FB?

What others stated what makes the BE Tourney so cool is having alumni of all the schools working midtown...

Hey, once Syracuse leaves, is there a chance that NYC Orange fans (who don't want to travel to Greensboro) will still go to the BE tourney anyway for the atmosphere and fun and to enjoy watching good basketball? Maybe Syracuse fans want to adopt a different Big East team to pull for? I suggest the Ed Cooley Friars, a longtime conference mate which has always shared a lot of goodwill and very little animosity with the Orange (except for Derek Coleman picking a fight in '87). By 2013 we will have turned the corner, so this is perfect timing.


By the way, on topic, this is a nice decision for the A-10.

(11-05-2012 04:09 PM)billyjack Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 12:58 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  ...Can we stay in the BE for BB and the ACC for FB?

What others stated what makes the BE Tourney so cool is having alumni of all the schools working midtown...

Hey, once Syracuse leaves, is there a chance that NYC Orange fans (who don't want to travel to Greensboro) will still go to the BE tourney anyway for the atmosphere and fun and to enjoy watching good basketball? Maybe Syracuse fans want to adopt a different Big East team to pull for? I suggest the Ed Cooley Friars, a longtime conference mate which has always shared a lot of goodwill and very little animosity with the Orange (except for Derek Coleman picking a fight in '87). By 2013 we will have turned the corner, so this is perfect timing.


By the way, on topic, this is a nice decision for the A-10.

I think some Cuse fans will go as casual fans in the future...frankly Greensboro sucks. I think you can count on Cuse fans to root against GTown, all others are how it helps the Cuse for seeding. I can see Cuse fans getting behind Providence, Seton Hall, SJU and USF to pull upsets.

If I worked in NYC I would go...especially if I got a ticket from a friend.